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Old July 8th, 2013, 12:40 AM   #561
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They were doing a visual landing and it seems that they came in too low and on that point when the pilots realized that and hit full power they had already lost too much airspeed and inertia and they "sunk" hitting the seawall with the tail, family friend who flies on Airbus 330/340 said that when plane that size lands, there's not much you can do, you try to land on the mark no matter what, even if it means a rough landing, in the Asiana crash, they were IMO 3-4 seconds late on the throttle.
(OT: my dad flew to SFO few years back in a Lufthansa 340-600, and during the landing they came too low, pilots went around, and landed on the second try, but came in little fast and got off the runway at the last exit.)
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Old July 8th, 2013, 12:41 AM   #562
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i thought only the GS (and PAPI) were out, the LOC was working right?? still weird how the plane was right off of centerline...

maybe also the fact that it was a 10 hour flight, sunny skies, and blue waters just before the runway messed with the pilots' depth perception??
LOC was working AFAIK, but that's not much use when you land VFR, but a strange and sad accident nevertheless
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Old July 8th, 2013, 06:39 AM   #563
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Maybe while landing visual and being tired they got tunnel vision on the final.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 08:31 AM   #564
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So far it seems that was an error of the pilot, Asiana said the pilot has little expirience with B777 and this was the first time he went to SF with a B777. He tried to abort the landing, but unfortunetaly it was to late.


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Asiana spokeswoman Lee Hyomin said Monday that Lee Gang-guk was trying to get used to the 777 during Saturday's crash landing. She says the pilot had nearly 10,000 hours flying other planes but had only 43 hours on the 777.
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The doomed Asiana Airlines jetliner had its throttles set to idle and was moving so slowly that it nearly stalled before it smashed into a seawall bordering a San Francisco International Airport runway, federal investigators said Sunday.

The crew tried to abort the landing and avert the disaster, which killed two teenagers on board and injured dozens more, but it was too late, according to a preliminary review of flight data and cockpit communications by the National Transportation Safety Board.

The crew sought to accelerate 7 1/2 seconds before impact, investigators said. Three seconds later, a vibrating "shaker stick" in the cockpit signaled an impending stall - a condition in which the wings lose lift and a plane can't be controlled.

And with 1 1/2 seconds left, someone on board alerted an air traffic controller that the Boeing 777 jetliner would try to pull up and circle around. It could not, and at 11:27 a.m. it bounced and skidded across the ground, losing its tail before it came to rest on the side of Runway 28L.

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Old July 8th, 2013, 12:49 PM   #565
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Everyone thought of BA crash at LHR but it actually makes me think of Korean Air flight 801 to Guam, the LOC was working but not the glide slope.
Nowadays, pilots seem a bit lost without ILS.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 01:59 PM   #566
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It reminds me of the Air Crash Investigation episode of AF 447 where it asked the pertinent question: considering that pilots in reality, do just 4 minutes of real flying - 2 mins takeoff, 2 mins landing, have pilots forgotten how to fly an airplane? On AF 447, the junior relief pilot for some reason, kept the pitch up until the captain realized what was happening far too late for anything to be done.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 04:59 PM   #567
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Singapore Airlines unveils revamped interiors

Singapore Airlines has unveiled a revamp of the interior of its long-haul passenger jets, which includes changes to seats and its in-flight entertainment system.
In a challenge to Qantas and alliance partner Emirates, Singapore Airlines is spending almost $US150 million ($165 million) on the product refit, which will begin on eight Boeing 777-300 planes.









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Old July 9th, 2013, 08:31 PM   #568
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ricky alot of duplication of posts going on here.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 09:28 PM   #569
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Sad Apparently one of the fatalities was likely caused by an emergency vehicle running one of the teenage girls over. That is really bad, and slightly ironic as well. I hope everyone else pulls through though
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Old July 9th, 2013, 11:50 PM   #570
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So sad.
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Old July 10th, 2013, 05:58 AM   #571
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does aeromexico still operate 777?

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Old July 10th, 2013, 05:59 AM   #572
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http://www.airplane-pictures.net/image14994.html
Yes it does! It operates at least 4 of them in fact (B777-200ER)
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Old July 10th, 2013, 08:58 AM   #573
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Wait a minute. I've just realize that Aeromexico is one of a few airlines that operate GE90-powered Boeing 777-200ER.
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Old July 10th, 2013, 11:07 PM   #574
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GARUDA 777 GRAND LAUNCHING
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Old July 11th, 2013, 02:40 AM   #575
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does american airlines still operate 777 in this old color?

http://bobqat.com/AeroBob/American_H...an_Heroes.html

I found out transaero operates 777-300...but they have been bought from singapore airlines...

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...0_Spijkers.jpg

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Old July 11th, 2013, 03:08 AM   #576
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does american airlines still operate 777 in this old color?

http://bobqat.com/AeroBob/American_H...an_Heroes.html
No, they have since launched a new livery .
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Old July 11th, 2013, 06:42 AM   #577
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Which airline operate Boeing 777-300 (non-ER) that is powered by GE90?
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Old July 11th, 2013, 08:32 AM   #578
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Non, the 773 was never re-engined by any of the airlines that operate it.

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The operation to change the livery only started at the start of this year. Last week only 11 of the 47 772s in their fleet had been repainted. It could take well into the next year or even longer before all 772 will have the new livery.

And since it's very probable that the new merger airline with AA and US Airways will see another new livery it's also likely that some of the 772s will never have the current livery.
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Old July 11th, 2013, 09:12 AM   #579
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Non, the 773 was never re-engined by any of the airlines that operate it.
I mean, when they introduce Boeing 777-300 in late 1990s, don't they give the option for GE90?
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Would someone be kind enough to give me the max and min operating cost per hour in US$ of operating 777-300ER, 777-200LR & 777-300ER.

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