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Old November 7th, 2013, 01:57 PM   #841
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My friend in KLM told me that by next year, the type will be retired. Along with KLM's remaining Boeing 747-400.
What is interesting about KLM's MD-11 is that some of them have been retired. And instead of being converted into freighter, these planes are dismantled to provide spare parts for its flying sisters going.
The very last scheduled passenger flight with KL is planned for 25th October 2014. For anyone interested the flight is KL692 from Toronto YYZ to AMS.
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Old November 7th, 2013, 01:58 PM   #842
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Ethiopian Airlines Planned 777-300ER Operation as of 07NOV13

Ethiopian Airlines has further updated planned Boeing 777-300ER operation, as of 07NOV13. Planned 777-300ER inauguration on Addis Ababa – Dubai route is now scheduled on 09NOV13, instead of 10NOV13. Planned 399-seater Boeing 777-300ER aircraft operation, as of 30OCT13, as follow.

Addis Ababa – Dubai Service operates from 09NOV13 to 15NOV13 only
ET602 ADD1055 – 1530DXB 77W 10NOV13 / 14NOV13 – 15NOV13
ET600 ADD2215 – 0300+1DXB 77W 09NOV13 – 14NOV13

ET601 DXB0430 – 0745ADD 77W 11NOV13 – 15NOV13
ET603 DXB1730 – 2055ADD 77W 10NOV13 / 14NOV13 – 15NOV13

ET602/601 on 11NOV13 is now scheduled to be operated by Boeing 777-200LR, instead of -300ER

Addis Ababa – Luanda Boeing 777-300ER replaces -200LR from 11NOV13, instead of 20NOV13
ET851 ADD0930 – 1220LAD 77W 135
ET850 LAD1350 – 2040ADD 77W 135

Addis Ababa – Guangzhou Planned Boeing 777-300ER service on 3 of 7 weekly flights from 15NOV13, remains unchanged
ET606 ADD0010 – 1440CAN 77W 246
ET606 ADD0010 – 1440CAN 77L x246

ET607 CAN0010 – 0635ADD 77W 357
ET607 CAN0010 – 0635ADD 77L x357
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Old November 8th, 2013, 12:49 AM   #843
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Old November 8th, 2013, 09:51 AM   #844
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Lufthansa Cargo
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Portland - International (PDX / KPDX) USA - Oregon, October 8, 2013

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Old November 8th, 2013, 02:38 PM   #845
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Air China Cargo Outlines Initial Boeing 777 Freighter Operations from Jan 2014

Air China Cargo is planning to introduce new Boeing 777 Freighter to its operation, according to its timetable listing. Planned Boeing 777 Freighter operation as follow.

eff 01JAN14 Shanghai Pu Dong – Frankfurt – Beijing – Shanghai Pu Dong 3 weekly
CA1041 PVG1245 – 1740FRA 77F 35
CA1047 PVG1245 – 1740FRA 77F 7

CA1042 FRA2040 – 1310+1PEK1550+1 – 1800+1PVG 77F 35
CA1048 FRA2040 – 1310+1PEK1550+1 – 1800+1PVG 77F 7

eff 02JAN14 Shanghai Pu Dong – Osaka Kansai 3 weekly
CA1063 PVG2055 – 2350KIX 77F 357
CA1064 KIX0150 – 0320PVG 77F 146

Planned Boeing 777 Freighter service launch date and flights remain subject to change


Yea another 777F operator.
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Old November 8th, 2013, 08:59 PM   #846
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Ladies and gentleman the long wait is now over for the first 777F for Lufthansa Cargo. She has been delivered to Lufthansa according to this yahoo article.

Lufthansa accepts first Boeing 777 freight plane after repair
FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Boeing (BA) has handed over to Lufthansa (LHA.DE) its first Boeing 777F freighter plane after the aircraft maker had to carry out last-minute minor repairs to the left wing, a spokesman for Lufthansa's cargo unit said on Friday.

Lufthansa Cargo was due to unveil the plane at a ceremony on November 1 but last week had to postpone the event because of the repairs.

Lufthansa Cargo said in a statement the brand new plane will be flown from Everett/Washington to Frankfurt on Friday and a ceremony to mark its first commercial flight would take place on November 19.

The plane is due to fly to JFK Airport on November 19, the spokesman said.

During a handover scheduled on October 29, it was determined that the slats on the left wing needed to be fixed. The slats on the wings are used to give more lift to a plane at slower speeds.

The delay in delivery to Lufthansa, one of Boeing's biggest cargo customers, comes as Boeing deals with a series of problems with its new Dreamliner 787 passenger jet.

The first 777 freighter was delivered in 2009. It uses the same wing as the 777 passenger version which has been in service since the 1990s with over 1,000 of the aircraft delivered.

Lufthansa has ordered five 777F aircraft, each of which cost around $300 million at list prices
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Is that true that Singapore Airlines was once considering to purchase Boeing 777-200LR?
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My friend in KLM told me that by next year, the type will be retired. Along with KLM's remaining Boeing 747-400.
What is interesting about KLM's MD-11 is that some of them have been retired. And instead of being converted into freighter, these planes are dismantled to provide spare parts for its flying sisters going.
If that's the case, I wonder how many 777s will KLM eventually purchase to replace the retiring B747-400 and MD-11... And my guess would be the 77W, if not wait for the 777X.
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Old November 9th, 2013, 04:08 PM   #849
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I think the AF-KLM group has A350s on order. So that could help the replacements but hey another 777X operator would be nice for Boeing too.
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Qatar not interested in the 777X.

UPDATE 1-Qatar Airways "not interested" in Boeing 777X

Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:56pm EDT

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Read more here; http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...0IE48M20131024






* CEO Baker says wont buy 777X
* Says not interested in SpiceJet stake
Oct 24 (Reuters) - Qatar Airways is not interested in ordering Boeing's proposed new 777X wide-body jet, its chief executive said.
Asked whether the Gulf carrier was looking at ordering a proposed revamped version of Boeing's 777 mini-jumbo, Akbar Al Baker said "we are not interested in buying".

That CEO changes his mind overnight, I'm sure he'll be singing a different tune come next year.....or maybe not.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 11:59 AM   #852
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I think the AF-KLM group has A350s on order. So that could help the replacements but hey another 777X operator would be nice for Boeing too.
AF-KLM as both A350 and B787 on order.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 01:03 PM   #853
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If AF-KLM would buy the 777-9X it would be for the replacement of the 50+ 777-300ERs which the group will operate in a couple of years when all the orders are delivered. That's potentially a big order for the 777X, but there's no hurry. The 77Ws are still young and will probably only leave the fleet in the 2nd half of the 2020s, so there's no immediate need to place an order. The 77W are also high density version with more the 400 seats for both airlines it's also likely that they will place a 777-9 order. The A350-1000 doesn't have the capacity and a proposed larger A350-1100 won't have the legs to be proper 777-300ER replacements.



At KLM the MD-11s are being replaced by the A330s and the 777s that have been delivered this last couple of years with some more to come. The 747-400Ms will be replaced by the 787-9s, which are similar in seat capacity but lack the main deck cargo. What will happen with the 7 full pax 747s is unclear. There are speculations that they will leave the fleet next year when the leases expire, but then there won't be a direct replacement. That would mean a significant reduction in overall capacity, a step back from the capacity growth over the last couple of years. I think they will stay until the end of the decade when the A350s will join the fleet. AF-KLM now only has the -900 on order but it's most likely that some of the options will converted into the -1000.

Possible KLM fleet replacements
MD-11 => A333 & 77W
747M => 789
747P => 77W & A3510
77E => A359 & A3510
A332 => 789
A333 => A359
77W => A3510 and/or 777X

There might be room somewhere for the 787-10 as well.

For Air France the replacements look a bit more straightforward.
747 => 77W & A380
A340 => A359
A330 => 789
77E => A359 & A3510
77W => A3510 & 777-9X

It's a certainty that the role of the 777 in the AF-KLM will be significantly reduced. They will operate 91 777s in 2015, but that will go down with the 77Es being replaced by the A350. But with the combination of the 787 and the 777X there will still be significant share for Boeing in the groups total long haul fleet.
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Today is an important day for the 777X project because today the union members in the Puget Sound area in Washington State can vote if they support the proposed new long term contract between Boeing and the unions that will keep the 777X production in the area.

The opponents of the deal have been very vocal about it. Even though the deal will guarantee job security it will come at a price. It will cut the cuts pension and other benefits for the workers. This at a time when Boeing posts record breaking financial results and is actively buying back shares and is very generous when it comes to paying out dividend.

So it's going to be an interesting result, it could go both ways.

If the vote is Yes then the 777X production will stay in Washington state, if the vote is No then it will most likely go to North Carolina. It's job security versus benefits.

A more detailed story can be found in the Seattle Times:
http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...ingiamxml.html

In the article you can find many more links to other recent in-depth articles on this issue.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 12:44 AM   #857
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If they move the 777X production line to South Carolina, then they should move the extra 787 back to Seattle and have the South Carolina plant dedicated to the 777X program.
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Sorry a bit out of topic. Back in the old days, Boeing used to have a plant at Wichita. It was originally used to manufacture B-52 Stratofortress, before being used to convert elderly Boeing passenger planes into cargo planes.

What happens to this plant?
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The deal has been rejected by the unions.

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A resounding no from Machinists

Boeing Machinists resoundingly rejected a deal that would have cut benefits but assured that production of the 777X would take place here.

Ignoring warnings from Boeing and pleas from political leaders, members of the Machinists union Wednesday voted 2-to-1 to reject a contract offer that would have ensured the company builds the new 777X jet in Washington state.

Machinists threw out the proposed eight-year contract extension, unveiled barely a week earlier, because it was laced with cuts to benefits. Many members said they refused to be forced into a hasty and radical decision under a management threat that they would lose future work.
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SEATTLE, Nov. 14, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing Commercial Airplanes (NYSE: BA) has issued a statement from President and CEO Ray Conner after a long-term contract extension was voted down by the International Association of Machinists & Aerospace Workers District 751.

"We are very disappointed in the outcome of the union vote. Our goal was two-fold: to enable the 777X and its new composite wing to be produced in Puget Sound and to create a competitive structure to ensure that we continue market-leading pay, health care and retirement benefits while preserving jobs and our industrial base here in the region. But without the terms of this contract extension, we're left with no choice but to open the process competitively and pursue all options for the 777X.

I'd like to thank Governor Jay Inslee and the Washington state legislature for all their efforts in this process. We had hoped for a different outcome."
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-11-...Extension-Vote


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If there's no deal it's more likely that the ramp up of production of the 787 will also be done in North Carolina.


But, there's still a big chance that there will be a compromise in Everett after all. But now Boeing will be looking at all the options, so it's pretty much open. The Washington state and the North Carolina politicians will now be lobbying very hard for the production. I also wouldn't count out the possibility of a strike the Puget Sound area, affecting the production of all types. It's going to be an interesting period.

edit: the article has this to say about possible other FAL locations:

Sources close to Boeing said this week its analysis of alternatives focused on Long Beach, Calif.; Salt Lake City; and Huntsville, Ala.



I wonder if it will influence the launch of the 777X next week.



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Sorry a bit out of topic. Back in the old days, Boeing used to have a plant at Wichita. It was originally used to manufacture B-52 Stratofortress, before being used to convert elderly Boeing passenger planes into cargo planes.

What happens to this plant?
The plan was to make the plant the finishing center for the KC-46 tankers/ But last year it was decided otherwise and now the plant will close down at the end of this year.
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