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Old November 14th, 2013, 02:38 PM   #861
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Sorry a bit out of topic. Back in the old days, Boeing used to have a plant at Wichita. It was originally used to manufacture B-52 Stratofortress, before being used to convert elderly Boeing passenger planes into cargo planes.

What happens to this plant?
1- they either close this plant for good once they don't have any more converting to due.
2- they keep it open and say convert 737s or other planes.
3- they sell it to another airline or other company and they renovate the building to their liking.
4- they close it and tear it down and sell the land to someone else

Those are my opinions.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 03:37 PM   #862
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The fact is that Boeing has already decided to sell their Wichita facilities. They try to sell all the buildings to other companies, preferably in the aviation sector to keep the employment in the area.

One of the buildings is already leased to Spirit AeroSystems, they make some 787 parts there. This means that Boeing's withdrawal won't mean the end of all Boeing production on the site.

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Old November 14th, 2013, 05:09 PM   #863
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Boeing spun out the Wichita operation into a new company call Spirit Aerosystems. This is now something of a captive supplier for Boeing.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 05:10 PM   #864
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Apparently the machinists union turned down Boeing's contract extension offer. Looks like the 777X assembly work won't be going to Everett. Probably Charleston or elsewhere.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 07:32 PM   #865
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If these union workers have the 777 program move to another state then they're pension plan is really screwed.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 08:32 PM   #866
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Reuters said that Emirates will sign a order of 150 B777-9 the sunday.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 10:37 PM   #867
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Reuters said that Emirates will sign a order of 150 B777-9 the sunday.
Here's to my 777th posting on this website. The day that starts Boeing's bank account explosions with Emirates money once they start to pay for the planes.
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Old November 15th, 2013, 04:36 AM   #868
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Old November 17th, 2013, 03:26 AM   #869
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An overview of the Paine field.
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Old November 17th, 2013, 10:38 AM   #870
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The 777X is launched with an insane number of orders and commitments

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Boeing Launches 777X with Record-Breaking Orders and Commitments

- First twin-aisle launch in history to achieve 259 orders and commitments
- 777X will be the largest, most-efficient twin-engine jet in the world
- Emirates, Etihad Airways, Lufthansa and Qatar Airways commit to 777X
- The 777X advances the world's most efficient, flexible twin-aisle family


DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, Nov. 17, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE:BA] today launched the 777X program at the 2013 Dubai Airshow with a record-breaking number of customer orders and commitments for the newest member of its twin-aisle product family. Agreements for 259 airplanes from four customers across Europe and the Middle East provide a strong foundation to support development and production of the airplane.

Representing the largest product launch in commercial jetliner history by dollar value, 777X orders and commitments include Lufthansa with 34 airplanes; Etihad Airways with 25; Qatar Airways with 50 and Emirates with 150 airplanes. The combined value of the agreements is more than $95 billion at list prices.

"We are proud to partner with each of these esteemed airlines to launch the 777X – the largest and most-efficient twin-engine jetliner in the world," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Ray Conner. "Its ground-breaking engine technologies and all-new composite wing will deliver unsurpassed value and growth potential to our customers."

The 777X builds on the passenger-preferred and market-leading 777, which today commands 55 percent of market share in its category in terms of backlog, and 71 percent of the in-service fleet worldwide. The 777X family includes the 777-8X and the 777-9X, both designed to respond to market needs and customer preferences.

The 777X builds on the best-in-class dispatch reliability from today's 777, as well as offering more market coverage and revenue capability that surpasses the competition. The 777-8X competes directly with the A350-1000, while the 777-9X is in a class by itself.

Opening new growth opportunities for airlines, the 777-9X offers seating for more than 400 passengers, depending on an airline's configuration choices. With a range of more than 8,200 nautical miles (15,185 km), the airplane will have the lowest operating cost per seat of any commercial airplane.

The second member of the family, the 777-8X, will be the most flexible jet in the world. The airplane will seat 350 passengers and offer an incredible range capability of more than 9,300 nautical miles (17,220 km). In addition, the airplane will have unmatched takeoff and payload capability compared to the competition.

"The airplane will build on the market-leading 777 and will provide superior operating economics," said Conner. "The airplane will be 12 percent more fuel efficient than any competing airplane, necessary in today's competitive environment."

The 777X introduces the latest technologies in multiple places, including the most advanced commercial engine ever – the GE9X by GE Aviation – and an all-new high-efficiency composite wing that has a longer span than today's 777. The airplane's folding, raked wingtip and optimized span deliver greater efficiency, significant fuel savings and complete airport gate compatibility.

Like the 787 Dreamliner which was launched as the 7E7, the 777X will be formally named at a later date. Design of the 777X is underway and suppliers will be named in the coming months. Production is set to begin in 2017, with first delivery targeted for 2020.
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Old November 17th, 2013, 10:51 AM   #871
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Etihad's order includes:

17x 777-9
8x 777-8
1x 777F (current model)

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Boeing, Etihad Airways Kick Off Dubai Airshow with 777X, 787-10 Orders

- Abu Dhabi-based airline to be a launch customer of 777X, first to order 777-8X


DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, Nov. 17, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Etihad Airways today announced an order for 56 widebody airplanes with options and purchase rights for 26 additional airplanes at the start of the 2013 Dubai Airshow. The order is valued at a total of $25.2 billion at list prices.

The Abu Dhabi-based carrier's order includes 25 777X airplanes, comprising 17 777-9Xs and eight 777-8Xs, subject to program launch. Etihad Airways is the first airline to order the 777-8X and will be a launch customer of the airplane, which is expected to enter service around the end of the decade. The order includes options and purchase rights for 12 additional 777X airplanes.

Etihad's order also includes one additional 777 Freighter for its cargo fleet, with options for two additional 777 Freighters.
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Old November 17th, 2013, 12:34 PM   #872
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The Emirates order is for 115 777-9 and 35 777-8 aircraft.
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Old November 17th, 2013, 12:41 PM   #873
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Qatar not interested in the 777X.
Read more here; http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...0IE48M20131024

* CEO Baker says wont buy 777X
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Old November 17th, 2013, 12:53 PM   #874
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Hmmm...
Mr. Al Baker has said today on the sidelines that he has been playing with the journalists about this.

It's not U-turn Al this time around, he was just having fun. Probably because of all the recent articles about orders that start with "sources close to..." which not always turn out to be true.
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Old November 17th, 2013, 01:08 PM   #875
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Mr. Al Baker has said today on the sidelines that he has been playing with the journalists about this.

It's not U-turn Al this time around, he was just having fun. Probably because of all the recent articles about orders that start with "sources close to..." which not always turn out to be true.
It's Mr Al Baker and his paradox again. I do not think it's the first time he does this. If I'm not wrong, even a few days prior officially announcing their entry into OneWorld, he was still saying he had no interest in joining an alliance.

But even myself, I was fooled by his statement last week! :-S
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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, Nov. 17, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Etihad Airways today announced an order for 56 widebody airplanes with options and purchase rights for 26 additional airplanes at the start of the 2013 Dubai Airshow. The order is valued at a total of $25.2 billion at list prices.
The Abu Dhabi-based carrier's order includes 25 777X airplanes, comprising 17 777-9Xs and eight 777-8Xs, subject to program launch. Etihad Airways is the first airline to order the 777-8X and will be a launch customer of the airplane, which is expected to enter service around the end of the decade. The order includes options and purchase rights for 12 additional 777X airplanes.
In addition, the airline has ordered 30 787-10s, the newest and largest member of the 787 Dreamliner family. When today's order is combined with the carrier's previous order for 41 787-9s, Etihad Airways becomes the world's largest airline customer for the Dreamliner family with a total of 71 787s on order. The order includes options and purchase rights for an additional 12 787-10s.
Today's announcement also marks the 1,000th order for the 787 Dreamliner family since its launch in 2004. The 787 has reached this milestone faster than any other twin-aisle airplane in aviation history.
Etihad's order also includes one additional 777 Freighter for its cargo fleet, with options for two additional 777 Freighters.
"Boeing has been a long-term strategic partner for Etihad throughout that journey, playing an integral role in our growth, said Etihad Airways President and CEO James Hogan. "I am delighted we are extending our relationship, bringing industry-leading aircraft into our modern fleet."
"We are very proud of our relationship with Etihad Airways which began nine years ago with an order for five 777-300ERs," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Ray Conner. "It is gratifying that as one of the world's fastest growing airlines, Etihad continues to have confidence in Boeing's products by ordering the 777X as well as by increasing its order for the 787. We look forward to further strengthening this partnership as Etihad continues to build its position as a forerunner in the global aviation industry."
Advanced technology including a new composite wing, all-new engines and superior aerodynamics will result in the incredible fuel efficiency promised by the 777X family.
The 777-9X, with around 400 seats, will be the largest and most efficient twin-engine commercial jet in the world with 12 percent lower fuel consumption and 10 percent lower operating costs over the competition. It will have the lowest operating cost per seat of any commercial airplane and no competitor in its market segment.
The 777-8X will be the most flexible commercial jet in the world with breakthrough economics and greater range capability than today's 777.
The 787-10 is the third and longest member of the super-efficient 787 family. With its greater passenger and cargo capacity, high degree of commonality and its passenger-pleasing features, the 787-10 will complement the family while setting a new benchmark for fuel efficiency and operating economics. The 787-10 will be 25 percent more efficient than airplanes of its size today and more than 10 percent better than anything offered by the competition for the future.
Final assembly and flight test of the 787-10 are set to begin in 2017, with first delivery targeted for 2018.
Celebrating its tenth anniversary this year, Etihad Airways is one of the fastest-growing airlines in the world, expanding its fleet and network across the Middle East, Europe, Africa, Asia Pacific and North and South America. Etihad's fleet today includes 17 Boeing 777-300ERs and three 777 Freighters.
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Still no facelift for 777x? Hufftt..
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