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Old November 20th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #901
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I wonder if Lufthansa will stay away and let this airshow be all Middle East airlines shopping spree.
Lufthansa didn't have to be there since they already did their shopping a month before the show started. When they firm their order it will probably just be the addition of their order to the 2013 Net Orders list on the Boeing website, nothing more.

1 day to go, no more scheduled press conferences by Boeing or Airbus. That means that this Airshow was pretty much only a regional affair except for a couple of product launches. It doesn't have the same worldwide reach as shows in Paris and Farnborough yet.
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Old November 20th, 2013, 11:53 PM   #902
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Can 7778X or 7779X do Mexico City - Seoul/Tokyo nonstop without severe weight restrictions, since Mexico City airport is hot and high?

787 cant do it without severe payload limit.
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Old November 21st, 2013, 07:31 PM   #903
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The 2013 Net Orders list has been updated
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Lufthansa has firmed up 20 777s, so the commitment was for 20 firm and 14 options. Together with the 25 777s from Etihad it means that the current 777X total is 45. Together with the 1 777F with Etihad the total net orders for the 777 for this year has grown to 88.


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The 777-8 should be able to do these kind of routes without any weight penalties. It's been designed for these kind of missions from hot airports in the Middle East.

The 777-9 might also do it, but probably only with some limited restrictions.
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Old November 21st, 2013, 10:53 PM   #904
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Old November 22nd, 2013, 12:18 AM   #905
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The 777-8 should be able to do these kind of routes without any weight penalties. It's been designed for these kind of missions from hot airports in the Middle East.

The 777-9 might also do it, but probably only with some limited restrictions.
Good to know if there ever is a demand its technologically possible.

777-8 can also do ICN-JNB without signficant weight penalties?
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Old November 22nd, 2013, 06:57 AM   #906
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The 2013 Net Orders list has been updated
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Lufthansa has firmed up 20 777s, so the commitment was for 20 firm and 14 options. Together with the 25 777s from Etihad it means that the current 777X total is 45. Together with the 1 777F with Etihad the total net orders for the 777 for this year has grown to 88.


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The 777-8 should be able to do these kind of routes without any weight penalties. It's been designed for these kind of missions from hot airports in the Middle East.

The 777-9 might also do it, but probably only with some limited restrictions.
I like that Boeing has created a plane that can run those long haul routes. But when can a route be "too long" for a passengers on board or pilots traveling?
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Old November 22nd, 2013, 08:58 AM   #907
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Too long for the pilots is not really an issue, they can be changed during flight. You will just have take another pair, just like they will have to take more cabin crew. It's just means more costs, the current main issue with ultra long haul flights. The 777X can cut the fuel costs and generate more revenue because it has more seats then the 77L or the A345.

For passengers it's a different story, the market will decide if enough will want to sit for such a long time or if they prefer to cut the trip in the middle.

I don't think the 777X will be primarily used for the real Ultra Long Haul routes, but more for the hot and/or high Long Haul routes where there weight penalties with the current generation of aircraft.

But we could still see an increase in ULH routes. For example, United's CFO just said that they are looking into the 777X especially for these kind of flights. This of course doesn't translate into United placing an order, but it does show that airlines are looking at opening ultra long haul.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...-cfo-says.html
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Old November 22nd, 2013, 08:08 PM   #908
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ULH flights typically only work on high yielding routes such as SQ's Newark service. Though, this has recently been withdrawn, I wonder if it could be resurrected with a 778X in the future.
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 01:04 AM   #909
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ULH flights typically only work on high yielding routes such as SQ's Newark service. Though, this has recently been withdrawn, I wonder if it could be resurrected with a 778X in the future.
If it was financially successful with a340-500s it's hard to imagine 777-8s wouldn't be able to do the same thing more efficiently.
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 06:28 AM   #911
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Air China Cargo Boeing 777-FFT Portland - International (PDX / KPDX) USA - Oregon, November 22, 2013
B-2095 (cn 44678/1158) First 777 freighter for Air China Cargo taxiing for departure back to PAE
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 10:54 AM   #912
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That's interesting, this is their 1st 777F from the order that they took over from Cathay Pacific earlier this year. They were rumored to get 747-8Fs, they never placed an order but some delivery slots were already allocated to Air China Cargo. But then it got shuffled around and Cathay cancelled their 777F order for 8 777Fs and ordered more 747-8Fs instead. At the same date a new order for 8 777 was listed as an Unidentified Customer which is Air China.

In other words, this specific frame could easily have been painted in the Cathay colors.
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 08:21 PM   #913
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Ankara, 3 days ago

Turkish Airlines (THY) has firmed options for five additional GE90-115B-powered Boeing 777-300ER aircraft, a statement said.

The airline has also signed a 15-year OnPoint solution agreement for the maintenance, repair and overhaul of its new GE90-115B engines on 20 Boeing 777-300ER fleet and extended an existing OnPoint solution agreement by five additional years for its GE90-115B engines that power 12 Boeing 777 aircraft.

The total engine list price and OnPoint solution agreement are valued at more than $2 billion.

Temel Kotil, Turkish Airlines' chief executive officer, said: “The GE90 engines that Turkish Airlines currently operates have provided us with outstanding performance, durability and reliability. We look forward to expanding our GE90 engine fleet with these exceptional engines.”

“With this order, THY will have a total of 32-GE90-powered Boeing 777s, and we are pleased to play a key role in the airline’s fleet growth plans,” said Muhammad Al-Lamadani, senior executive for European sales at GE Aviation. – TradeArabia News Service
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Old November 24th, 2013, 12:08 AM   #914
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Air China Cargo Boeing 777-FFT Portland - International (PDX / KPDX) USA - Oregon, November 22, 2013
B-2095 (cn 44678/1158) First 777 freighter for Air China Cargo taxiing for departure back to PAE
[IMG]http://i41.************/3322b7l.jpg[/IMG]
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-C...4323fac228f2a2
She looks great. So there is a chance she will be delivered this year. Put on cargo routes starting late December if she is delivered? Can anyone confirm that and the first route she will be flying.

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That's interesting, this is their 1st 777F from the order that they took over from Cathay Pacific earlier this year. They were rumored to get 747-8Fs, they never placed an order but some delivery slots were already allocated to Air China Cargo. But then it got shuffled around and Cathay cancelled their 777F order for 8 777Fs and ordered more 747-8Fs instead. At the same date a new order for 8 777 was listed as an Unidentified Customer which is Air China.

In other words, this specific frame could easily have been painted in the Cathay colors.
Unfortunately we will have to deal with the commercial airline version in Cathay's fleet. Maybe they will order some of the new 777Xs. Open up some new routes.
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Air China Cargo Outlines Initial Boeing 777 Freighter Operations from Jan 2014
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Update at 0740GMT 08NOV13

Air China Cargo is planning to introduce new Boeing 777 Freighter to its operation, according to its timetable listing. Planned Boeing 777 Freighter operation as follow.

eff 01JAN14 Shanghai Pu Dong – Frankfurt – Beijing – Shanghai Pu Dong 3 weekly
CA1041 PVG1245 – 1740FRA 77F 35
CA1047 PVG1245 – 1740FRA 77F 7

CA1042 FRA2040 – 1310+1PEK1550+1 – 1800+1PVG 77F 35
CA1048 FRA2040 – 1310+1PEK1550+1 – 1800+1PVG 77F 7

eff 02JAN14 Shanghai Pu Dong – Osaka Kansai 3 weekly
CA1063 PVG2055 – 2350KIX 77F 357
CA1064 KIX0150 – 0320PVG 77F 146

Planned Boeing 777 Freighter service launch date and flights remain subject to change.

Source: http://airlineroute.net/2013/11/08/cac-77f-jan14/
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The EWR SIN route ended because of low profit. ultra long haul operations generally are not profitable (at least not with a340-500)
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She looks great. So there is a chance she will be delivered this year. Put on cargo routes starting late December if she is delivered? Can anyone confirm that and the first route she will be flying.



Unfortunately we will have to deal with the commercial airline version in Cathay's fleet. Maybe they will order some of the new 777Xs. Open up some new routes.
Why do you call a jet a "she"? A machine is an "it" unless you see some sexual reproductive body parts attached to it.
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The EWR SIN route ended because of low profit. ultra long haul operations generally are not profitable (at least not with a340-500)
Perhaps with the B777X, such services could resume with better passenger loads... I mean, the upcoming versions can fly at a similar range compared to the A340-500 with two less engines and might carry more passengers. The issue with that, though, would be how will such airlines that already operate the A380 at the same time (especially EK) reshuffle flights to allow even more B777Xs to operate on routes that can also be used with a Superjumbo? It's like, yes, we can see the older B777s retiring soon, but, with the A380 as the flagship carrier for EK, I wonder what new features will the B777X carry compared to the Superjumbo aircraft it operates.
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Why do you call a jet a "she"? A machine is an "it" unless you see some sexual reproductive body parts attached to it.
Perhaps we should refer to the B747 "Queen of the Skies" as "it" too... "It" sounds better right?
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