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Old January 7th, 2014, 10:08 PM   #1061
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Old January 8th, 2014, 01:30 AM   #1062
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At the moment, which elderly type of Boeing 777 are still in production?
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Old January 9th, 2014, 01:25 AM   #1063
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At the moment, which elderly type of Boeing 777 are still in production?
I'd say probably the -200LR, even though it debuted in 2006. That variant doesn't sell at all. Won't be long till it gets the 'ol heave ho!
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Old January 9th, 2014, 05:03 AM   #1064
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-200LR is not older version of Boeing 777. In fact it is newer than Boeing 777-300ER.

The older version is like Boeing 777-200, -200ER and -300 (non-ER).
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Old January 9th, 2014, 06:18 AM   #1065
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At the moment, which elderly type of Boeing 777 are still in production?
I think the most elderly B777 type in production would be the B77W... I remember that the B777-200ER has ended its production a few years back (with the last one received by Asiana to replace the aircraft lost in a crash in San Francisco). But, the B77W remains so popular that I sense it will take several more years for production.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 06:25 AM   #1066
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And speaking of New Year... introducing Cathay Pacific's third rendition of "The Spirit of Hong Kong" which debuted last December on one of its B77Ws:

Cathay Pacific B777-300ER, "The Spirit of Hong Kong" (reg. B-KPB)

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Old January 9th, 2014, 08:37 AM   #1067
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I think the most elderly B777 type in production would be the B77W... I remember that the B777-200ER has ended its production a few years back (with the last one received by Asiana to replace the aircraft lost in a crash in San Francisco). But, the B77W remains so popular that I sense it will take several more years for production.
Time doesn't go that fast, last year was only a couple of days ago.

Boeing delivered the last 4 777-200ERs in 2013, 3 for ANA and the very last one that was on order to Asiana in July. It was just coincidence that Asiana also crashed one of their 777 in that same month, the new one was never intended as a replacement.

The 777-200ER can still be ordered though, it's still listed on Boeing's price list on their website. It could easily go into production again between all the 777-300ERs.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 08:43 AM   #1068
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Really? Can any airline though order the B772ER with similar engines operated on the B77W, albeit smaller? That's interesting... I wonder which airline/s might still be interested in the B772 since I see order after order of B77Ws...
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Old January 9th, 2014, 08:50 AM   #1069
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Why not? 777-200ER can be equipped with:
- Pratt & Whitney 4090 90,000 lb
- Rolls-Royce Trent 895 93,400 lb
- General Electric 90-94B 93,700 lb
If you want engines from 777-300ER, you have to buy 777-200LR:
- GE90-110B1 110,100 lb
- GE90-115BL 115,300 lb

source: http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commerc...ckground.page?
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There are no airlines interested in it anymore. The last order was placed 4 years ago in December 2009 by ANA, an order which is considered as a compensation deal for the initial 787 delays. They got them for cheap.

But that doesn't mean that it can't be bought anymore, simply because there are better (another type) or cheaper options (2nd hand market) for airlines that still want to buy more planes in the 777-200 size segment.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 09:47 AM   #1071
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Why not? 777-200ER can be equipped with: - Pratt & Whitney 4090 90,000 lb - Rolls-Royce Trent 895 93,400 lb - General Electric 90-94B 93,700 lb If you want engines from 777-300ER, you have to buy 777-200LR: - GE90-110B1 110,100 lb - GE90-115BL 115,300 lb source: http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commerc...ckground.page?

Might be a stupid question but I've always wondered what the ER, LR, W and L stand for with the 777?
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Old January 9th, 2014, 09:59 AM   #1072
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ER = Extended Range
LR = Longer Range
F = Freighter
77W = 777-300ER ICAO indicator.

Boeing 777-200 max range: 5,240 nmi (9,700 km, 6,027 mi)
Boeing 777-200ER max range: 7,725 nmi (14,310 km, 8,892 mi)
Boeing 777-200LR max range: 9,380 nmi (17,370 km, 10,793 mi)
Boeing 777-200LRF max range: 4,900 nmi (9,070 km, 5,636 mi)
Boeing 777-300 max range: 6,005 nmi (11,120 km, 6,910 mi)
Boeing 777-300ER max range: 7,930 nmi (14,690 km, 9,128 mi)
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I thought that's what they meant, just seemed to simple ha
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Those letters are used widely in airline scheduling and ticketing... let me tell you how I describe them:

777 - Basic Boeing 777 (either 200 or 300)
772 - Boeing 777-200 (either non-extended range [ER] or ER version)
773 - Boeing 777-300 (non-ER version)
77F - Boeing 777-200 Freighter
77L - Boeing 777-200 Long Range
77W - Boeing 777-300ER

Other airlines may use other letters to designate the different variants of the same aircraft.
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Time doesn't go that fast, last year was only a couple of days ago. Boeing delivered the last 4 777-200ERs in 2013, 3 for ANA and the very last one that was on order to Asiana in July. It was just coincidence that Asiana also crashed one of their 777 in that same month, the new one was never intended as a replacement. The 777-200ER can still be ordered though, it's still listed on Boeing's price list on their website. It could easily go into production again between all the 777-300ERs.
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Really? Can any airline though order the B772ER with similar engines operated on the B77W, albeit smaller? That's interesting... I wonder which airline/s might still be interested in the B772 since I see order after order of B77Ws...
Momo1435 is right in regards to the OZ B772 which just happened to be coincidence to rollout weeks after the SFO crash. I believe this particular aircraft has F/C cabin if I'm not mistaken whilst the SFO aircraft was a 2-class frame.
From memory EK operate a sub fleet of 10 x B77L & planned to order more but opted to go for the B77W & simply sacrifice seating on ULR. Considering the price difference of the B77W is slightly more than a LR (correct me if I'm wrong) is far better aircraft overall. Another prime example would be AI replacing their sub fleet with B787's & selling 5 x B77L's to EY.
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Those letters are used widely in airline scheduling and ticketing... let me tell you how I describe them:

777 - Basic Boeing 777 (either 200 or 300)
777 is used for the first -200ER
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Ah ok. I had to reread the OAG schedules to determine that some of the airlines using 777 as the aircraft code is indeed the 777-200ER model.

Speaking of the 772ER, here's AA's new livery painted on once the airline's flagship aircraft (before the 77W came):

American Airlines Boeing 777-200ER (reg. N774AN)

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Ah ok. I had to reread the OAG schedules to determine that some of the airlines using 777 as the aircraft code is indeed the 777-200ER model.

Speaking of the 772ER, here's AA's new livery painted on once the airline's flagship aircraft (before the 77W came):

American Airlines Boeing 777-200ER (reg. N774AN)
Yes, Aeroflot used Code 777 for -200ER, and also Orenair
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