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Old December 20th, 2014, 11:48 PM   #1761
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Boeing should look into this and allow other airlines to order more B777s in order for the production to continue as usual before the aircraft manufacturing giants transitions to producing the B777X full-time.
You know of course that this is not how it works. Boeing doesn't allow airlines to order, it's the airlines that decide to order planes that are sold by Boeing. And the current 777 models are very much on sale right now, Boeing is giving steep discounts for these last production slots. So far this year 49 orders have been placed (six last week, bringing the open back-log down to 227). If it keeps on selling like this the next couple of years it won't be a problem, we will see next year how the sales will keep up.

And Boeing doesn't want to admit it yet, but it's also very probable the the production rate will also be slightly reduced. Building just 1 777 less per month will result in 60 delivery slots that won't have to be sold. This deferral (it's not a cancellation) might even make it easier to reduce the rate earlier but more gradual as the deliveries are spread out over a longer period of time.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 12:14 AM   #1762
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So, let's say for example, an airline like Philippine Airlines opts to buy more B777-300ER today or between January and March next year: how long will the delivery time be like (taken into account its building, structural integrity testing, and flight testing, if not more)?
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Old December 21st, 2014, 12:49 AM   #1763
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The actual assembly of the plane and the flight test before delivery can be done rather fast, the fastest 787 was completed in 80 days. A 777 on the current mature production line can be delivered even faster.

It's the lead time before a plane enters FAL that is the deciding factor (not looking at available open slots). For 1st time orders airlines will have to provide Boeing with all the information about specs that they want 1 year before it enters the FAL. This needs to be incorporated into the production of all the parts. Many of the parts are standard, but there are enough parts that are user specific and cannot just be traded with the same type of plane from any other airline. There might be a need to redesign and certification, which add to the time.

This process can be much faster for follow-up orders, if the specs stay the same and aren't too outlandish. We saw this with the A380, Airbus had some open slots for 2015 that they were only offering to existing customers. They
ended up with Emirates buying up all the open slots, accelerating the already planned deliveries.

All in all it safe to say that it takes between 9 months and a year. But only if slots are actually available of course. When early slots open because of last minute cancellations or deferrals they are usually taken by airlines that already have outstanding orders.
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Old December 22nd, 2014, 04:27 AM   #1764
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Source :- http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b777-26916.htm First B777-200 was Delivered with 2 x PW PW4077 Engines to Launch Customer United Airline Regestered N777UA in 15/05/1995
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Old December 22nd, 2014, 10:51 AM   #1765
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I never understood how the first one had P&W engines. I read that the 777 was made possible because GE was able to build huge engines. But somehow the first 777 flew with P&W...
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Old December 22nd, 2014, 11:15 AM   #1766
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Saudi Arabian Airlines has taken delivery of their newest 777

HZ-AK24 Saudi Arabian Airlines Boeing 777-368(ER) - C/N 42262

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I never understood how the first one had P&W engines. I read that the 777 was made possible because GE was able to build huge engines. But somehow the first 777 flew with P&W...
The relations between GE90 and Boeing 777 is quite an unique one. Although GE90 have an outstanding "wow" factor when compared to PW4084 or Trent 800, few of the early generation of Boeing 777 are powered by GE engines.
And despite the fact that the GE90 engine allowed Boeing to develop Boeing 777-200ER, these days most of the type's customer opted RR engines.

Only when the Boeing 777-300ER and 777-200LR came, then the GE90 truly dominated the Boeing 777 powerplant market.
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Old December 22nd, 2014, 05:13 PM   #1768
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Boeing and GE only made an exclusive deal for the GE90 engines on the 777F, the 777-200LR and 777-300ER. For the earlier models other engines were available, like the P&W and the RR engines.
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Old December 22nd, 2014, 05:54 PM   #1769
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If l remember correctly the two original launch customers United used GE power plants, and British Airways used RR.
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Old December 23rd, 2014, 01:53 PM   #1771
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If l remember correctly the two original launch customers United used GE power plants, and British Airways used RR.
I think United never operate GE-powered Boeing 777, while BA's first Boeing 777 was a GE90 powered Boeing 777-200ER (then known as Boeing 777-200IGW)
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Old December 23rd, 2014, 08:21 PM   #1773
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The end of the year order rush bring the firming up of the Kuwait order.


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KUWAIT CITY, Dec. 23, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Kuwait Airways have finalized an order for 10 777-300ERs (Extended Range), valued at $3.3 billion at list prices.

The order underlines the popularity of the 777-300ER as the preferred long-haul aircraft of many of the world's leading airlines including those from the Middle East. The airline originally announced its intent to order the 777-300ER in November.

"Kuwait Airways has plans to renew its fleet as well as expand its operations and the 777-300ER is a perfect airplane for our strategy," said Rasha Al Roumi, Kuwait Airways CEO. "The airplane has already validated its position in terms of high reliability, low operating costs and fuel efficiency. We are looking forward to having the 777-300ER join our fleet."

The 777-300ER is the most fuel and cost-efficient airplane in its class today with 99.5 percent reliability, making it the most reliable twin-aisle aircraft in the world. The flagship of the world's elite airlines, the 777-300ER carries 386 passengers in a standard three-class configuration up to 7,825 nautical miles (14,490 kilometers), on non-stop routes.

"This order marks another feather in the cap for the 777-300ER which not only continues to be an integral part of the fleet of many of the world's airlines but is also being ordered by new customers who see the value of the airplane," said Ray Conner, president and CEO, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "The aerospace industry in the Middle East continues to enjoy a phenomenal growth and we are proud to be part of that growth and look forward to an enduring relationship with Kuwait Airways."
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Old December 24th, 2014, 05:40 AM   #1774
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That deal could ultimately result in readjusting its current fleet consisting of a B747, and several B777-200ERs and A340-300s... I wonder which of those would be retired first once all 10 B777-300ERs are delivered.
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They also have 5 A330-200 coming to replace the A300s in their fleet. These new 777 will then most likely replace the rest of their current widebody fleet the A340s, the 2 777-200s and 1 747.

From 2019 they will also start to receive 10 A350-900s, already replacing the A332s. Their long haul fleet will then just be the 10 A359s and 10 77Ws, which is a significant capacity jump upwards compared to their current fleet.
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That deal could ultimately result in readjusting its current fleet consisting of a B747, and several B777-200ERs and A340-300s... I wonder which of those would be retired first once all 10 B777-300ERs are delivered.
The B77W is the ideal replacement for their aging B744 / B772 fleet whilst A330 to replace the A343 but as quoted above this doesn't appear to be the case.
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They also have 5 A330-200 coming to replace the A300s in their fleet. These new 777 will then most likely replace the rest of their current widebody fleet the A340s, the 2 777-200s and 1 747.

From 2019 they will also start to receive 10 A350-900s, already replacing the A332s. Their long haul fleet will then just be the 10 A359s and 10 77Ws, which is a significant capacity jump upwards compared to their current fleet.
So from what I read in your message, the A332 will only be operated for like 4 years or so... will all of them be leased while waiting for the A359s?
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They will indeed lease them directly from Airbus as a stopgap until the A350s become available. If they remain in the fleet afterwards probably depends on demand. If the 777s hadn't been ordered there would be a bigger chance that they would still stay in the fleet when the A350s are delivered.
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HZ-MF9 Saudi Arabia Ministry of Finance and Economy 777-3FG(ER) C/N 61518 / LN1271 is out of the factory and at the fuel dock.

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