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Old December 7th, 2012, 09:07 PM   #1
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Birmingham Cable Car Link

This seems to be getting a bit of attention and is obviously a talking point, so thought it should have a dedicated thread


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Would Birmingham benefit from cable cars?

In Rio de Janeiro, city visitors can use them to scale Sugarloaf Mountain, in New York they are used to transport people across the East River and in the Venezuelan capital Caracas, they take residents of mountainous areas to the city centre.

Now, if initial discussions come to fruition, cable cars will be used to link up Birmingham's redeveloped New Street, Moor Street and Curzon Street railway stations.

The West Midlands transport authority Centro has directed Birmingham-based architects to look into the feasibility and cost of installing cable cars in the city.

John Lamb, of the Birmingham Chamber of Commerce, said it could be a "novel solution" to the city's increasingly busy streets.

"When I first heard about it though, I thought it was an April Fool's joke at the wrong time of year," he said.

'Stunning addition'
And Mike Olley, manager of Broad Street, one of the city's busiest entertainment areas, describes the idea as "interesting speculation".

Centro was inspired by the opening of the Emirates Air Line cable car network, which links south-east and east London and opened in June.

In Rio de Janeiro, people can use a cable car to get to the top of the city's Sugarloaf Mountain

Its designers are due to give a presentation to the firm about the development, which was used by those attending London 2012 events.

It links the O2 Arena in Greenwich with the ExCel exhibition centre at the Royal Docks in east London - both of which were Olympic venues.

When it opened, the city's mayor Boris Johnson said it was a "stunning addition to London's transport network" and a "must-see destination in its own right".

Initially, Transport for London (TfL) estimated the cost at £25m and said it would use only private finance to pay for it.

Then the estimate increased to £45m, with TfL saying it would use its own budget, and later rose again to £60m.

Dubai-based airline Emirates is now sponsoring the cable car for 10 years at a cost of £36m.

However, critics of the London project said there were lessons leaders in Birmingham could learn from their experiences.

Caroline Pidgeon, Liberal Democrat London Assembly member, said its popularity had significantly dropped off since it opened.

She added that outside of weekends and school holidays the number of people using the Thames cable car was "pitiful".

She said the main problem was that it should have been decided from the beginning of the scheme whether its main aim was as a tourist attraction or a form of transport.

'Gliding over city'
Mr Lamb suggested however, the plan for cable cars in Birmingham could work.

"It just depends on how practical it is, how much it's going to cost and how it's going to be funded," he said.

"It would be a very easy way of getting to the various stations, especially for people carrying a lot of luggage.

"It could be quite nice gliding over Birmingham. At the moment - especially with the German market - it's packed in the city."

Mr Olley said he would be interested to see what happened - and whether Broad Street could be incorporated as a cable car stop.

Rail commuter and campaigner Ben Whitehouse, who travels into Birmingham every day, said there was a "nugget of a really good idea" in the plan.

"The idea of linking the stations together could make connections smoother - but I would actually prefer to see the millions it would cost to set up a cable car link put towards improving our stations," he said.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 09:53 PM   #2
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they need to piont that curzon station sign in a different place, not in the centre of city UNI campus!
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Old December 7th, 2012, 09:54 PM   #3
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A cable car from Moor St to New Street? That is just embarrassingly lazy to be honest, it's what, a 3 minute walk under the Bull Ring at most?
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Old December 7th, 2012, 10:05 PM   #4
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ideal for 'Fat Cat' members of the council and their lazy mates!

Learn to walk folks.

spend tha cash on more tram routes....or you wont be in power very long!
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Old December 7th, 2012, 10:08 PM   #5
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I do not believe this is designed as a transport nor is that how it will end up, which isn't a bad thing. Nobody is going to use it to save having to walk or get the metro when that's done (which they said this will "compliment", not replace). It's a tourist attraction.

I think it's great so long as it is profitable and uses private funding not public. Public funding and funding for actual transport should go on the metro.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 10:15 PM   #6
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Have Centro got better things to think about?
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Old December 7th, 2012, 10:16 PM   #7
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I think it is just wishful thinking. We'll get a facelift of the tunnel under the bullring and that's it.

And I don't see anything wrong with that option. It's not far.

Is there even enough space? We've got to have steady gradients to lift over buildings. The Bullring and Rotunda are a bit of an inconvenience.

I'd rather Centro use the money to try ad combat the NXWM monopoly and improve their Swift Card as well as get Sprint off the ground.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 10:18 PM   #8
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If they are just looking for a tourist attraction, I'd rather have a permanent Ferris wheel by Hyatt instead.
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Just imagine if this linked up with VTP


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This is so laughable it needed to be posted in the UK transport forum so others can laugh. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=98080399
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I can't believe centro has even spent a penny looking at this ludicrous folly.

Who is accountable for this?
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Old December 7th, 2012, 10:39 PM   #12
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I thought people would be quite excited about this - something a bit different.

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Old December 7th, 2012, 10:51 PM   #13
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I thought people would be quite excited about this - something a bit different.
Lost count of how many schemes have been investigated to see if they are viable and never are. Whitby and his underground being one.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 11:01 PM   #14
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I must be missing something, I don't understand what is laughable about it?

If sponsors are interested in supporting the venture then I'd be happy to support the idea. However, linking more than the proposed two/ three stations would make the idea more appealing to users of the city. To Broad St. maybe?
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Old December 8th, 2012, 08:45 PM   #15
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Lost count of how many schemes have been investigated to see if they are viable and never are. Whitby and his underground being one.
Although Birmingham could really benefit from an Underground system. That wasn't a daft proposal, just un economical.
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Old December 8th, 2012, 09:18 PM   #16
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i thought you lot told me this was all a joke last month?
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Old December 8th, 2012, 09:21 PM   #17
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I sure hope it is Josh.
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Old December 8th, 2012, 11:22 PM   #18
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Ok basically this is media having some thing to talk about. Centro have invited the same company behind the london lift to present to them. The presentation could be about anything transport related.
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Have Centro got better things to think about?
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Old December 9th, 2012, 03:57 AM   #20
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If we are to have stanchions around the city centre I'd prefer a series of elevated travelators or a monorail.
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