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Old January 2nd, 2013, 08:56 PM   #101
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Impressive thread and excellent photos.

I have dreamed of taking a similar trip one day, thanks for posting your travel chronicle!
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 10:48 PM   #102
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I must say...

You are a good photographer with a good camera... you have the eye for great shots and sceneries...

just to add...

The current estimated (calculated)* amount of the project Skopje 2014 is EUR 310 018 000.

*due to known sources, everything that might be hidden or missed is not included in the calculations.
thanks for your appreciation of the photos and thanks for the pricing info


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Aldo, what camera do you use and which lens/lenses? Sorry if this was already asked before.

i used a canon eos 500d with a 55mm and a 300mm lens. Some of the Belgrade photos, especially the wintertime ones, are taken with a fujifilm finepix s5700, with 10x zoom and 7 megapixels.

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Impressive thread and excellent photos.

I have dreamed of taking a similar trip one day, thanks for posting your travel chronicle!

thank you and you should definitely take this trip if you can. If you have the time, money etc, you should also check out Azerbaijan or go further south to Iran.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 11:05 PM   #103
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Statue detail depicting the Boatmen of Thessaloníki, a anarchistic group active in the Ottoman Empire at the beginning of the 20th century. Its members were young graduates from the Bulgarian Men's High School of Thessaloniki. In 1903 they launched a campaign of bombing in Thessaloniki, the so called "Thessaloniki bombings of 1903". Their aim was to attract the attention of the Great Powers to Ottoman oppression

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The Stone Bridge, a symbol of the city, built by the Ottoman, it appears on the city's coat of arms alongside the Kale fortress. The coat of arms in turn is present on the flag of Skopje. It connects Macedonia Square (the square with the fountain in the earlier night shots) to the Old Bazaar. It survived WWII unharmed

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On the other side of the Stone Bridge stands the huge "Warrior" monument, exceeding 25 m (i think it's about 28, anyone with better info just correct me please), another important peace of the above-mentioned project. Although it doesn't bare his name officially, to avoid (another) controversy with Greece, it's universally accepted that it's Philip II of Macedon

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Another piece of the project, the completed statue of the Byzantine Emperor Justinian I, born in Tauresium,about 20 km from Skopje

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Old January 3rd, 2013, 04:01 PM   #104
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Great pictures from Skopje despite the fact that this 2014 project is ridiculous. Can't wait for pictures from Bulgaria
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 09:46 PM   #105
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Thank you!hope you'll enjoy the Bulgarian photos as well

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Old January 3rd, 2013, 09:57 PM   #106
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The Museum of Archaeology with the Stone Bridge in he foreground

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The 21 m high Porta Macedonia, part of the project, completed in early 2012. It is dedicated to 20 years of Macedonian independence. The reliefs on it are carved in marble, depicting scenes from the history of Macedonia. It also contains interior rooms, one of which has a function of a souvenir shop, as well as elevators and stairs providing public access to the roof. The Greek Foreign Ministry has lodged an official complaint to authorities in Macedonia after the inauguration because the arch features images of historical figures including Alexander the Great.

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Old January 3rd, 2013, 11:50 PM   #107
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HOORAY, what a great thread! Being into less-known, undiscovered cities and marginal sights I find all this pure honey. <3 Love it how you find new angles and capture all those details suchs as roof tiles, antennas, lamp posts and rows of dowdy facades. Just awesome and very refreshing. Can't wait to see how you've captured Armenia and Georgia.

(As a little negative note - I'd consider this Skopje 2014 thing entirely comical if there weren't any real problems in Macedonia to be fixed with all those resources, unemployment for instance. "Improving national pride" being government's priority number one... huh. But let's not turn this into politics.)

Btw. that "when you walk too much" picture awakes nothing but sympathy in me. Using ground transport, getting lost and walking till your shoes tore is definitely the way to go!
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Old January 4th, 2013, 06:05 PM   #108
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Thank you i'm glad that you appreciate these kind of photos. But i think the places themselves contribute more to the photo than me by having theses unique settings and atmosphere. All these places (balkans, caucasus, middle east, africa etc) offer much more to someone who enjoys photography than central or western European cities. Of course i enjoy these parts of Europe as well, but for other reasons.

as for walking too much i threw away 2 pairs of shoes because of overuseduring the trip and i left the third one in a hostel in Istanbul under the bed because my bags were packed to the fullest and i found it about a week later when i returned

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Details from the 25 m tall "Warrior on a Horse" statue and fountain, probably the centrepiece of the '14 project. Just like the other huge statue it is not officially named after the person it's representing, in case Alexander the Great. There are also 8 bronze lions sculptures and soldiers decorating the fountain. It is located in the middle of Macedonia Square facing the Stone Bridge and the statue of his father, Philip

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Old January 4th, 2013, 11:39 PM   #110
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I was always wondering what strangers think of the life and atmosphere in Skopje... What does it remind u of.... a western city, eastern, balkan, communist, oriental... or just something undefined... ? Also, what do you think about the people living in the city?

thanks in advance..
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Old January 5th, 2013, 12:23 AM   #111
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This country look amazing! I really want to go there some day.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 04:51 AM   #112
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I was always wondering what strangers think of the life and atmosphere in Skopje... What does it remind u of.... a western city, eastern, balkan, communist, oriental... or just something undefined... ? Also, what do you think about the people living in the city?

thanks in advance..
I enjoyed my stay in the country, not just Skopje. It was a positive experience, exceeding my expectations. Skopje seemed to me like a city in a transition, especially with all the construction and planning going on (I really would have liked to see the city before the whole project started).
It strikes me as two distinct cities divided by the Vardar. The "new" part (losing its pre '63 elegance) suffers aesthetically, but makes up for it in atmosphere. The bazaar on the other side is very oriental obviously, but not yet touristy (which is unavoidable unfortunately, especially with the high-profile project going on), i loved walking around there, the view from the fortress etc., it felt authentic (which is ironic and in great contrast with the 2014 project ). My favorite part though in the city was the clock tower and the surrounding streets, where i was almost alone, getting lost through those winding crumbling streets, great stuff. As far as the people go, from a tourists point of view, very laid back and helpful. I think the most enjoyable surprise to me was Bitola, loved it a lot and i want to go back there and hopefully other places to (like Kratovo, Saint Jovan Bigorski Monastery, Stobi, Kruševo, Tetovo, Brajčino village, Kriva Palanka)


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This country look amazing! I really want to go there some day.
you should definitely do so!

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Old January 8th, 2013, 05:02 AM   #113
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The Memorial House of Mother Teresa. Lying close to Macedonia Square, it's built on the very location of the once Sacred Heart of Jesus Roman Catholic Church, where Mother Teresa was baptized. It was opened in early 2009.

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Old January 8th, 2013, 05:13 AM   #114
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Thanks for sharing your views on Skopje.

I am also interested... In which areas of Skopje did you go? Actually what did u visit and what was your route around Skopje? How many days you stayed in Skopje, and how many in Macedonia? And which of those areas and buildings that you will mention, you find most appealing and personally most attractive and enjoyable? Both, areas and/or particular objects/buildings... stuff?

Sorry for asking you so many questions, especially like this... kinda thrown... unconnected...
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i don't mind the questions at all
In Skopje i visited the streets surrounding Macedonia Square, including the Mother Teresa house, the former railway station, bazaar, fortress, clock tower. What i regret not seeing is the Skopje Aqueduct and the Millenium Cross, from where i could have taken some interesting pics of the city.
I only stayed for 2 days, i had to continue the trip, because i was pressed for time unfortunately and i still had the majority of the trip ahead of me.
Originally i planned a visit to Macedonia combined with Albania, Kosovo or Montenegro, allowing me more time to spend there. But when and if i get to these places i definitely want to come back to Skopje because i want to someone else to see it as well, with whom is took many trips and would enjoy the place a lot.
The areas that i most enjoyed in Skopje were the Stone Bridge, especially at night, because i loved the atmosphere, the square was full, but especially the place around the bridge, beautifully lit and very atmospheric, offering some great photo opportunities. Other places included the clock tower and the surrounding streets, including the market not far from it. The difference between the clock tower area and the heart of the bazaar was the lack of people, which i loved, and if i had stayed another day i would have definitely gone back there.
Other enjoyable buillding was the Church of Holy Salvation (where the sarcophagus of Goce Delčev is located), the Mustafa Pasha Mosque and the green area between it and the fortress walls, the Čifte Hammam, Bezisten. I regret not being able to visit the fortress and get a nice view from there. And i also really enjoyed the double-decker buses in the city. I read somewhere that they were introduced in 2011 being bought from China i think. Anyway very good idea.
If i were to mention a building in Skopje that i specifically hated, that was the Saints Cyril and Methodius University because of it's brutalist-socialist depressing look and feel
From Skopje i went to Bitola and from there to Ohrid.
Bitola was great, i loved the city with it's neoclassical old town, but the area which i most enjoyed was around my hostel (i will post photos of the city soon) because (again) there were beautiful authentic peopleless (don't know if that's a word) streets with lovely houses and a sense of discovery as i walked around (these streets are actually near the main pedestrian walkway,the Širok Sokak, minus the crowds and renovated buildings).
Also another great place was the ancient greek city ruins of
Heraclea Lyncestis outside of Bitola, but especially walking there i found this great cemetery on the way, with a great location and feel to it (i know it sounds weird) creating a great atmosphere with the ruins located nearby.
I really don't have anything to add about Ohrid, because it's just beautiful in every way, but i think everybody knows that and i knew that and kind of expected that before arriving. I really can't name something specific in a city like Ohrid, where you'll find something beautiful and new at every street corner. That place requires a minimum stay of a few days.
In all i stayed about 5-6 days in Macedonia. Yep, not a lot, but at least i got to visit it, having gone through without stopping before on my way to Greece and always regretting that.
hope i answered some or all of your questions. If you have some more i will gladly try to answer them as accurately as i can remember the country and details





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Old January 8th, 2013, 06:43 AM   #116
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oh, i forgot to mention the beer Skopsko,which is really good
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Wow. Excelent!

I am also curious...

What would you change in Skopje, if you had the opportunity to do so?
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oh, i forgot to mention the beer Skopsko,which is really good
yeah... it's good... a proper beer... though not something special...

However... Thanks a lot for this discussion, I desperately needed a detailed image of the impressions that people from other countries get when they visit Skopje... I appreciate it...
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Wow. Excelent!

I am also curious...

What would you change in Skopje, if you had the opportunity to do so?

besides some aspects of the whole skopje 2014, just from the top of my head i would say, the train and bus station, i mean the whole Transportation Center. This is based purely on how it looks. It's pretty morbid looking in the daytime, but i remember arriving in Skopje at night and waking alongside it in the dark towards my hostel, it was seriously creepy But from a logistical point of view, i guess it's ok, i'm basing my thought on aesthetics.
The other thing would be the old railway station, the museum. not how it looks, because I love the fact that it's left as a reminder of the devastating earthquake, (and i hope no one will renovate it) but rather the exhibitions inside, put more on display, especially about the earthquake. It still does a good job, because anybody walking in not knowing anything about the tragedy, will get some great eye witness accounts and info. i thought that it would be great if they expanded the whole exhibition on this topic, because it (still) has a major impact on the city.
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The Old Railway Station, a reminder of the july 26 1963 earthquake, with the clock on it's facade frozen at 5:17 am, when disaster struck. Now it's used as the Museum of the City of Skopje. Half of the building is left in a collapsed state which adds to the eerie feeling of it all


























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