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Old December 11th, 2014, 09:52 AM   #201
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Is the limestone real limestone or 30 Park Place limestone?
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Old December 11th, 2014, 11:41 AM   #202
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I'm really digging this trend back to Art Deco!
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Old December 11th, 2014, 03:24 PM   #203
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Is the limestone real limestone or 30 Park Place limestone?
If they want to sell the most expensive apt in the city and repeat the success of 15 CPW then this will need to be of top quality.

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The building will be entirely clad in Indiana limestone articulated with French balconies and stone detailing evocative of the great New York apartment buildings of the 1920's and 1930's. [...]
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Old December 11th, 2014, 04:45 PM   #204
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Amazing interiors.

Here's a look at the neighborhood where this will rise from the 1948 film The Naked City.




Someone brought up the shabby-looking business next door. Not sure what it looks like today, but here is street view's version:


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Old December 11th, 2014, 05:26 PM   #205
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Absolutely great and absolutely NYC. Robert A M Stern is one of the few architects who knows how to design a great modern building that respects the unique heritage of the NY 'scraper. Glass boxes can be seen in any 3rd rate city but not a quality building like this! This photo highlights how the GM building destroys the scale and harmony of Grand Army Plaza if only Stern and been around then he would have designed a fitting replacement for the Savoy Plaza which should have never been demolished in the first place.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 06:49 AM   #206
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Amazing interiors.

Here's a look at the neighborhood where this will rise from the 1948 film The Naked City.




Someone brought up the shabby-looking business next door. Not sure what it looks like today, but here is street view's version:


McSky, according to Acris, an entity called 33-39 E 60th St bought those dilapidated brownstones around 2001 and still owns them. Have the businesses vacated them?
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Old December 13th, 2014, 07:42 PM   #207
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McSky, according to Acris, an entity called 33-39 E 60th St bought those dilapidated brownstones around 2001 and still owns them. Have the businesses vacated them?
Not sure, as I'm not in NYC anymore. Maybe someone can go by and take some current photos.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 10:09 PM   #208
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Thanks, McSky. How do you know the businesses closed? Did you observe them closed? I hope so.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 10:21 PM   #209
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Hope something cool rises next door!

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Glass boxes can be seen in any 3rd rate city but not a quality building like this! This photo highlights how the GM building destroys the scale and harmony of Grand Army Plaza if only Stern and been around then he would have designed a fitting replacement for the Savoy Plaza which should have never been demolished in the first place.
The GM Building is great. I'm sick of these classicists bashing everything built within our lifetimes that isn't just a cheap knockoff of an older style, get over yourselves.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 11:23 PM   #210
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Most contemporary buildings are a cheap knock-off of an older style: Modernism. And besides, it's not a rare or fringe opinion to dislike the GM Building, the foremost architectural critics of the 20th and 21st century, Ada Louise Huxtable and Paul Goldberger both criticized it.



The Savoy Plaza hotel is another McKim Mead and White building that should have survived the short-sighted 60s. The GM Building completely disfigured an iconic and priceless Central Park view: The Pierre, The Sherry-Netherland, The Savoy Plaza, The Squibb Buidling, and The Plaza, all in one stunning group.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 11:28 PM   #211
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The GM Building is great. I'm sick of these classicists bashing everything built within our lifetimes that isn't just a cheap knockoff of an older style, get over yourselves.
Something will rise there because one entity owns the four little buildings.

It's a matter of time before the crappy office building on the corner comes down.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 11:57 PM   #212
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Most contemporary buildings are a cheap knock-off of an older style: Modernism. And besides, it's not a rare or fringe opinion to dislike the GM Building, the foremost architectural critics of the 20th and 21st century, Ada Louise Huxtable and Paul Goldberger both criticized it.
The GM building is an incredible example of the modernist international style. Hardly a knockoff.


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Old December 14th, 2014, 12:42 AM   #213
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I was talking about contemporary buildings, i.e. building built these days. But since we're on the topic of slavish appreciation of past styles, I'll agree that the GM Building is a great example of an International Modernist building due to its near total contempt for its context in an urban environment and its function as an automobile showroom in a mass transit capital. I'll grant that if you appreciate the building in a total vacuum, devoid of context, it's not bad. It might even look great somewhere deep in midtown.

But it has three strikes against it. 1. The destruction of an urban landmark, 2. The defacement of one of the most elegant urban vistas in the world, and 3. Anti-pedestrianism. Basically everything wrong with the period where International Modernism was in vogue can be symbolized by the GM Building.

But anyway, there's little need to argue, especially in this thread, where one of the foremost new building projects in NYC is a work of contextualism. Clearly a course-correction has been made.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 11:28 PM   #214
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The GM building is an incredible example of the modernist international style. Hardly a knockoff.

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Old December 15th, 2014, 01:59 PM   #215
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I agree. The GM Bldg is amazing (though I would have preferred that the original tower remain).
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Old December 15th, 2014, 07:54 PM   #216
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Most contemporary buildings are a cheap knock-off of an older style: Modernism. And besides, it's not a rare or fringe opinion to dislike the GM Building, the foremost architectural critics of the 20th and 21st century, Ada Louise Huxtable and Paul Goldberger both criticized it.



The Savoy Plaza hotel is another McKim Mead and White building that should have survived the short-sighted 60s. The GM Building completely disfigured an iconic and priceless Central Park view: The Pierre, The Sherry-Netherland, The Savoy Plaza, The Squibb Buidling, and The Plaza, all in one stunning group.
I agree.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 09:44 PM   #217
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I didn't know much about the Savoy, but it does look like quite a gem; certainly in today's climate, something Landmarks would deem "architecturally significant" and worthy of preservation. But at the same time, so is the GM Building. In a perfect world, we would have both. As it is, we just have to strive to preserve great architecture, whatever the era, while encouraging more of it to come.

520 Park looks like it's going to be a great addition, especially if clad in top quality materials. Glad to see that latest render in which it appears bulkier than before. Towers of this scale (along with Bloomberg, Citicorp, 425 Park and 252 E 57th) will be key to keeping Midtown East skyline balanced, as we start to see more behemoths like 432 and One Vanderbilt rise.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 10:06 PM   #218
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And now the GM Building is part of the neighbourhood's architectural context.

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Old December 15th, 2014, 10:16 PM   #219
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That's what I'm saying. It's just as valuable an icon as the Savoy was (it's impossible for me to picture modern CPS without it), it's just too bad one had to be destroyed to construct the other. So it is with living, evolving cities.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 10:20 PM   #220
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It does look quite weird from the angle shown in the second pic of post #212, but from every other angle like the one in post #205 it fits in perfectly well, as do the other modern towers.
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