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Old June 26th, 2013, 12:49 PM   #181
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Jet engine explodes on runway, Airbus A330.

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Manchester Airport UK. Monday 24 June 2013. Destination was to be Dominican Republic
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Old July 15th, 2013, 11:27 PM   #182
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The 1000th A330 will be delivered to CX later this month.

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Old July 19th, 2013, 01:20 PM   #183
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Airbus delivered the 1000th A330 today:

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...athay-pacific/
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Old July 19th, 2013, 03:36 PM   #184
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Old July 19th, 2013, 05:15 PM   #185
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Congrats to Airbus on a 1000th plane. Time for the next generation of the A330. They could name it the A330neo.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 02:47 AM   #186
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Or maybe the A350? If it also replaces the A340! And then ad some cool looking acronym to it. Maybe XWB? Something with an X for sure though!
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Old July 20th, 2013, 04:06 AM   #187
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The A350 is not really an A330 replacement, it's bigger & longer range.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 04:25 AM   #188
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True, but Airbus says that airplanes are getting bigger and bigger from generation to generation and therefore the A350 family is indeed a replacement for the A330 (and the A340 of course).

In my opinion this is the wrong strategy. Three versions of the A350 (-800/-900/-1000) are simply not enough to cover the whole market demand between the A321 and the A380.

Boeing will have in the long term five new-gen airplanes in this segment 787-8/-9/-10 and 777-8/-9 which is much more customer friendly because there is a much wider range of planes one can choose from.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 05:09 AM   #189
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I'd love to see a continuation of the A330 program for more years to come, especially that it is a perfect mid- to long-range jet for so many airlines, not just for its fuel economy, but also the range, speed, and capacity that airlines can customize to meet their needs (from all-economy to a three-class configuration). Will there be any chance for a continued evolution of the A330 to include the -400 series, or will it remain with the -200 and -300 types?
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Old July 20th, 2013, 05:40 AM   #190
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I'd love to see a continuation of the A330 program for more years to come, especially that it is a perfect mid- to long-range jet for so many airlines, not just for its fuel economy, but also the range, speed, and capacity that airlines can customize to meet their needs (from all-economy to a three-class configuration). Will there be any chance for a continued evolution of the A330 to include the -400 series, or will it remain with the -200 and -300 types?
A330 Next Generation maybe.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 07:56 AM   #192
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A330 Next Generation maybe.
I hope such a type will come in soon... Perhaps an A330 with a range of 7,000nm or more would be a fantastic feature for the Next Gen version. Or even a space for a bar or duty free shop on board (similar to its larger sibling, the A380) would be a great addition.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 08:33 AM   #193
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The problem is that the A350, even the -800 will still do every mission better then a A330neo. So even with some customer demand, that is mainly driven by availability of delivery slots, it's not going to gain enough orders to make it worthwhile. And with the recent plans by Airbus to increase the planned production rate of the A350 to 13 per month from 10 per month, including a separate assembly line for the -1000 there will be many new delivery slots available in a similar timeline the A330neo could be introduced. And Airbus is much more keen to sell the A350 then the A330. Which is already seen in this years order so far, A330: 8; A350: 96.

The A330 will still be kept alive by the Freighter (if the market picks up) and Tanker programs, but there won't be too many updates for the passenger version except for some smaller engine pips.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 08:23 PM   #194
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Given the pretty huge spacing between the top of the A320 line and the bottom of the A350 line, I've wondered if there would be a demand for a reengined A330, using the GEnx / Trent 1000 line engines? This would improve both the efficiency and capacity of the line, and would not be particularly expensive.

The two questions would be:

- Would it cannibalize demand for the A350?
- Would it be competitive with the 787. Unless it is willing to do a clean sheet of paper design (a la the A350) does Airbus need to cede this size range to Boeing, since the 787-8 slots right in there?
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Because a re-engined A333 would compete directly with the A359 it simply not interesting to do it. And they won't do it just with the A332, they would not get enough orders to make it worthwhile. It's also not that much smaller then the A358, it won't really fit the gap between the A321 and the A358.

Would it compete with the 787? If airlines would have chosen to go 8-abreast on the 787, like Airbus thought they would do it could have been competitive. But since almost all airlines opt for 9 abreast on the 787 a re-engined A332 will always fall short.
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With those in mind, how much longer will we see the A330s? And if so, what A330 variant/s will continue production over the next several years?
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XWB posted Airbus' forcast on the previous page.
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Here is Airbus' A330 production rate forecast:

2013: 10 / month 120
2014: 11 / month 132
2015: 11 / month 132
2016: 10 / month 120
2017: 8 / month 96
2018: 6 / month 72
2019: 5 / month 60
2020: 5 / month 60

That's about 800 deliveries until the end of the decade. The backlog stands about 280 frames so Airbus expect another 520 sales until 2020. That's an average of about 65 sales per year which is reasonable.

Delivery slots for the 787 should be available in 2018 followed by the A350 in 2019. That's an excellent period to start slowing down the A330 production. By the end of the decade, the A330 will be around 30 years old and will probably survive as a freighter until .... 2025 ???
With the current order backlog (including some pending firm orders from China, and the tanker ordres) and the above rates in mind Airbus still has about 2.5 to 3 years of production left in order books that will be delivered over even longer period because of contractual delivery dates. These are for all 4 versions of the A330, but mostly A333s. So all will remain in production for the time being.

This means that Airbus does expect to see a significant number of new orders if they want to reach 800 deliveries. I doubt that this will happen, because of the 787 and the A350 picking up more and more orders and having projected production rates beyond the 10 per month. But there will be new A330s rolling from the factory for the next 10 years. Just look at the 767 that is also getting new orders and is being delivered at a rate of about 2 per month this year.
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Garuda Indonesia A330-341, Liverpool FC Tour 2013 (reg. PK-GPA)


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I missed this news the other day.

Airbus is looking at another version of the A330, but it won't be a neo


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"Leahy said Airbus was working on a regional version of the A330 designed for shorter trips in high-density markets like Southeast Asia, mirroring plans for a similar regional version for the A350 first reported by Reuters last month."
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http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/...er-1-000-jets/


So rather a new version with a longer range, Airbus is looking at cutting the range and turn the A330 into a true regional plane. This is of course a reaction to the 787-10, which initial success seems to have been underestimated by Airbus. Especially the huge order from Singapore Airlines, I have no doubt that the Airbus sales team thought that this was their order (for a regional A330 or A350).
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