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Old July 15th, 2014, 09:14 PM   #461
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Not a bad start at all, I wonder how far off a Delta order is?
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Airbus is behind Boeing by 3-5 years in terms of planes and where the market is going
Airbus is clearly ahead of Boeing on the narrowbody front, they are not as far behind Boeing on Widebodies as you think.
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I Dont Think So. Because Fuel Cost Of 787-9 At Least $8 per Litre maximum cost Litre is 10.5
Because 787-9 Only Need 120000 Litre Fuel To Reach 15000 KM in oneway
Meanwhile A330 Is Very Large Fuel that can Spending in one Litre is about $10.5 for A330-200 Classic or the newer
so i think A330 Must Been reduce Cost Fuel Perlitre. and FYI in the last Calculation of A330 The Cheaper Price in a Litre its about $9.3
What a confused post. Fuel cost per litre is the same regardless of what plane you are flying.

I can't prove Airbus's numbers but for them to lie to their customers about their planes' performance is highly illegal and they would get found out very quickly and face severe consequences. Since the A330neo now has 105 commitments, their numbers must be convincing somebody.

Although the A330 is a 20 year old plane it was has always been very efficient and constant upgrades mean that it has got better over the years.
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Speaking of A330neo, I wonder when widebodies get geared turbofans.
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According to the press conference, it is on par with the 787 in terms of fuel burn per trip (Leahy claims the A330-800 is 1% better).

The range of the 330-800 is 400 miles better than the 787-8 and whist the 330-900 has 1000 miles less range than the 787-9.

Since the A330 was paid for years ago and the neoisation is costing very little (€2 billion) they will be able to sell it for a cheaper price than the 787 which still needs to pay its $30 billion development costs back.

As for the A350-800, Airbus have said they are not canceling it but they expect all the remaining customers to switch to the A330 Neo which will be better than the A350-800. On cannibalization, they do not expect to cannibalize the A350-900 because it is clearly for a different market.

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I am no engineer, so someone explain this to me. So Boeing makes the most ambitious plane - CFRP, bleedless engines, better wings, all-electric plane and takes almost a decade and than an old rehashed rusty metal plane is right up there with it. Just how
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I am no engineer, so someone explain this to me. So Boeing makes the most ambitious plane - CFRP, bleedless engines, better wings, all-electric plane and takes almost a decade and than an old rehashed rusty metal plane is right up there with it. Just how
Innovation is merely the means to an end, and not the solution.

The A330 was already an amazing platform, in terms of form and function. Plus Airbus has never sat still, continuously updating both the structure as well as the software. To the lay man, nothing has changed but today's A330 is very different from the ones that first rolled out. We also have the 787 to thank, because Boeing ultimately overpromised and under delivered, so the gap between today's A330 isn't too far off from the 787.
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AirAsiaX has signed a Memorandum of Understanding for 50 A330-900neo aircraft


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AirAsia X, the long haul affiliate of Asia’s largest low cost airline, has signed a Memorandum of Understand (MOU) with Airbus for 50 A330-900neo aircraft. The agreement sees the airline become a launch customer for the latest version of the best-selling widebody. AirAsia X will also be one of the first operators of the aircraft, with deliveries to the carrier scheduled to begin in 2018.

The agreement was signed at the Farnborough Airshow in the UK by Azran Osman-Rani, CEO of AirAsia X and Fabrice Brégier, President and CEO, Airbus, and was witnessed by Tan Sri Tony Fernandes, Co-founder and Director of AirAsia X, Tan Sri Rafidah Aziz, Chairman of AirAsia X Berhad and John Leahy, Airbus Chief Operating Officer, Customers

“We have been encouraging Airbus to launch this new version of the A330 for some time now,” said Tan Sri Tony Fernandes, Co-Founder and Director of AirAsia X. ”I am pleased that they are offering this choice and bringing us the aircraft we truly need to develop further our low cost long haul model. We are 100% sure that the A330neo will be quite unbeatable in its size category and we look forward to enabling more people to fly further more often aboard this great aircraft.”

“AirAsia X is the pioneer of successful low cost long haul travel,” said Fabrice Brégier, Airbus President and CEO. “The confidence that Tony and his team have placed in the A330neo is therefore a clear endorsement of the step change we are bringing to the market in this size category. Reduced fuel consumption, extended long range capability and competitive acquisition costs will make the A330neo a true game changer and we are proud that AirAsia X will be among the first airlines to fly the aircraft.”

The latest MOU from AirAsia X further consolidates the position of the AirAsia Group as one of Airbus’s largest airline customers in the world. In total the Group has ordered 536 Airbus aircraft, excluding today’s MOU.

The A330-800neo and the A330-900neo are two new members of the Airbus Widebody Family launched in July 2014 with first deliveries scheduled to start in Q4 2017. The A330neo incorporates latest generation Rolls-Royce Trent 7000 engines, aerodynamic enhancements and new cabin features. Benefitting from the unbeatable economics, versatility and high reliability of the A330, the A330neo reduces fuel consumption by 14% per seat, making it the most cost efficient, medium range Widebody aircraft on the market. In addition to greater fuel savings, A330neo operators will also benefit from a range increase of up to 400 nautical miles and all the operational commonality advantages of the Airbus Family.



http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...er-50-a330neo/


Avolon signs commitment for 15 A330neo aircraft

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Becomes launch customer for the new Airbus Widebody aircraft



Avolon, the Dublin-based, global aircraft leasing firm, has announced a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for 15 of Airbus’ newly launched A330neo aircraft. Avolon becomes a launch customer for the A330neo. The commitment was signed today at the Farnborough International Airshow 2014 by Dómhnal Slattery, Avolon CEO, John Higgins, Avolon President and Chief Commercial Officer and Fabrice Brégier, Airbus President and CEO.

“Our latest order for 15 Airbus A330neo aircraft reflects our ongoing commitment to provide the world’s airlines with the next generation of fuel efficient aircraft. Today’s order represents an additional investment in the neo range of aircraft which follows our previous commitment to the A320neo. We have already experienced great interest from customers in the A320neo range due to the expected high performance and fuel efficiency of the aircraft," said Dómhnal Slattery, Avolon CEO.

John Higgins, Avolon President and Chief Commercial Officer added: "We are delighted to be a launch customer for this innovative, high performance aircraft. This A330neo order complements our ongoing sale and leaseback and fleet financing activity in both the A330 and A320 families and further strengthens our product offering, which now incorporates both narrowbody and widebody neo aircraft delivering from 2018 onwards.”

“We are delighted to welcome Avolon among our first customers to select the A330neo,” said Fabrice Brégier, Airbus President and CEO. “Based on the successful A320neo model, the A330neo offers the latest in fuel saving technologies combined with the best-in-class comfort, reliability and operational efficiency of the A330, making it an ideal choice for Avolon to grow their portfolio with the world’s most cost-efficient, medium-range Widebody aircraft.”

The A330-800neo and the A330-900neo are two new members of the Airbus Widebody Family launched in July 2014 with first deliveries scheduled to start in Q4 2017. The A330neo incorporates latest generation Rolls-Royce Trent 7000 engines, aerodynamic enhancements and new cabin features. Benefitting from the excellent economics, versatility and high reliability of the A330, the A330neo reduces fuel consumption by 14% per seat, making it the most cost efficient, medium range Widebody aircraft on the market. In addition to greater fuel savings, A330neo operators will also benefit from a range increase of up to 400 nautical miles and all the operational commonality advantages of the Airbus Family.
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With CIT's commitment, A330neo momentum builds & A321 on-going market hit

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CIT Group Inc. (NYSE: CIT), a global leader in transportation finance announced a commitment to order 15 A330-900neo aircraft and five A321ceo aircraft, becoming a launch customer for the new A330neo. The Memorandums of Understanding (MoU) were signed at the 2014 Farnborough International Airshow by Jeff Knittel, President of CIT Transportation & International Finance and Fabrice Brégier, Airbus President & CEO. CIT will announce its engines selection for the A321 aircraft at a later date.

“As one of the largest aircraft lessors in the world, we are pleased to be able to once again partner with Airbus on the newest variant of the A330, as well as their A320 Programme,” said Jeff Knittel, President of CIT Transportation & International Finance. “These new aircraft will allow CIT to maintain one of the youngest and most technologically advanced fleets in the industry, while providing fuel efficient aircraft solutions to our customers through a range of sizes and categories of aircraft.”

“We are delighted to see CIT, one of the largest aircraft lessors in the world, stepping up to become one of the first customers for our recently launched A330neo. This is a strong guarantee that our newest, most cost-efficient, medium range Widebody aircraft is set to become yet another Airbus best-seller,” said Fabrice Brégier, Airbus President and CEO. “CITs continuing appetite for our highly competitive largest single-aisle model, the A321, is evidence that the market is growing and is looking for increased capacity, productivity and the best standard of cabin comfort, all key attributes of the best-selling A320 Family.”

The A330-800neo and the A330-900neo are two new members of the Airbus Widebody Family launched in July 2014 with first deliveries scheduled to start in Q4 2017. The A330neo incorporates latest generation Rolls-Royce Trent 7000 engines, aerodynamic enhancements and new cabin features. Benefitting from the unbeatable economics, versatility and high reliability of the A330, the A330neo reduces fuel consumption by 14% per seat, making it the most cost efficient, medium range Widebody aircraft on the market. In addition to greater fuel savings, A330neo operators will also benefit from a range increase of up to 400 nautical miles and of course all the operational commonality advantages of the Airbus Family.

The A320 Family is the world’s best-selling single aisle product line with more than 10,500 orders to date and over 6,100 aircraft delivered. Thanks to its wide cabin, all members of the A320 Family offer the industry’s best level of comfort in all classes and Airbus’ 18” wide seats in economy as standard. The newest member of the A320 Family, the A320neo, incorporates new generation engines and Sharklets (wing tip devices) which together deliver 15 percent in fuel savings. At the end of June 2014, firm orders for the NEO reached over 2,800 aircraft from 55 customers, representing a 60 per cent market share in its category.
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Air Lease Corporation signs for 25 A330neo and 60 A321neo

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Air Lease Corporation (ALC), the Los Angeles based aircraft leasing company, has announced a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for 25 A330-900neo aircraft, becoming the first launch customer for the new Airbus Widebody. ALC simultaneously announced a firm order for 60 A321neo aircraft. The contact was signed today at the Farnborough International Airshow by Steven F. Udvar-Házy, Air Lease Corporation’s Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Fabrice Brégier, Airbus President and CEO.

“The recently launched A330neo is a well-suited addition to ALC’s fleet as we continue to provide our customers with the most modern, fuel efficient aircraft on the market,” said Steven F. Udvar-Házy, Air Lease Corporation’s Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. “The A330neo, like the A320neo Family, will have success in the medium range segment due to its combination of high reliability, exceptional comfort and low operating costs. We see a significant market opportunity for the A330neo and we’re pleased that the first order bears ALC’s name. The A321neo credentials, such as its lower fuel-burn, high reliability and wider, more comfortable cabin, also fit well in our product portfolio of innovative, profitable aircraft.”

“When a leading lessor, ALC, is the first to sign up for a new aircraft, it’s a loud and clear signal that you’ve got it right. This significant order is a strong endorsement of both our A330neo and A320neo, confirming they fully meet the needs of the world’s most demanding airlines,” said Fabrice Brégier, Airbus President and CEO. “The continuing success of the A320neo, paves the way for the A330neo and proves that our incremental innovation strategy to deliver reliable, innovative and efficient products at the right time, is what the market wants.”

Including today’s order, ALC’s total orders and commitments for Airbus aircraft reaches 225, of which 200 are firm orders (50 A320ceo Family, 110 A320neo Family, 15 A330 Family, 25 A350 XWB Family) plus the MoU for 25 A330neo’s. ALC will announce engine selections for the 60 A321neo aircraft at a later date.

The A330-800neo and the A330-900neo are two new members of the Airbus Widebody Family launched in July 2014 with first deliveries scheduled to start in Q4 2017. The A330neo incorporates latest generation Rolls-Royce Trent 7000 engines, aerodynamic enhancements and new cabin features. Benefitting from the unbeatable economics, versatility and high reliability of the A330, the A330neo reduces fuel consumption by 14% per seat, making it the most cost efficient, medium range Widebody aircraft on the market. In addition to greater fuel savings, A330neo operators will also benefit from a range increase of around 300 nautical miles and of course all the operational commonality advantages of the Airbus Family.

The A320 Family is the world’s best-selling single aisle product line with more than 10,500 orders to date and over 6,100 aircraft delivered. Thanks to its wide cabin, all members of the A320 Family offer the industry’s best level of comfort in all classes and Airbus’ 18” wide seats in economy as standard. The newest member of the A320 Family, the A320neo, incorporates new generation engines and Sharklets (wing tip devices) which together deliver 15 percent in fuel savings. At the end of June 2014, firm orders for the NEO reached over 2,800 aircraft from 55 customers, representing a 60 per cent market share in its category.
http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...nd-60-a321neo/
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Old July 17th, 2014, 02:08 AM   #468
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Innovation is merely the means to an end, and not the solution.

The A330 was already an amazing platform, in terms of form and function. Plus Airbus has never sat still, continuously updating both the structure as well as the software. To the lay man, nothing has changed but today's A330 is very different from the ones that first rolled out. We also have the 787 to thank, because Boeing ultimately overpromised and under delivered, so the gap between today's A330 isn't too far off from the 787.
I am going with

I highly doubt the A330 is close the 787 / 787-9 when it comes to efficiency and modern technology.

And if the A330 was "so advanced" airbus wouldnt have even created the A350 program.
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I am going with

I highly doubt the A330 is close the 787 / 787-9 when it comes to efficiency and modern technology.

And if the A330 was "so advanced" airbus wouldnt have even created the A350 program.
You are wrong on both counts. The vast majority of the 787's efficiencies come from the engines (probably something like 75%). Even Boeing admits that "5 or 6" of the so called game changing technologies it included on the 787 have not worked out as well as they expected and shouldn't have been included in hindsight. The 787-8 is less than 2 tonnes lighter than the A330-200. Also remember this is a two horse race. The reason Boeing had to launch the 787 was because no one was buying the 767 anymore and where opting for A330's instead.

As for the A350, it is a different plane for a different market. The A350 is in the same category as the 777 and the A330 is in the same category as the 767 and 787.

When the 787 came out and was wildly successful, Airbus were pressured into providing a response. At first they offered something similar to the A330 neo (an A330 with new engines and other minor improvements), the airlines said it wasn't good enough. Then they offered the A350 which was basically an A330 with a new carbon fibre wing, engines, cockpit and, AL-LI fuselage and other upgrades (basically what Boeing has done to create the 777x) and after gaining a modest number of orders, some very important customers told them they wanted an all new plane.

So the A350XWB was born the new name was necessary in order to differentiate it from the old A350. By now, Airbus realised that it would be unwise to go directly after the 787 so they made the A350XWB a bit larger so it was more into the territory of the 777 and A340.

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I would say the a330neo's launch is pretty successful with 121 commitments.
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Russia’s Transaero Airlines has signed a letter of intent (LOI) with Airbus to purchase 12 A330neos plus eight A330ceos.

The LOI, announced Thursday at the Farnborough Airshow, brought the number of commitments for the A330neo to 121. Airbus launched the re-engined A330 at Farnborough on Monday. Transaero becomes the first European airline to commit to the A330neo.

“The A330s will allow Transaero to continue the massive fleet modernization program and to boost its medium and long-haul domestic and international network,” Airbus said in a statement.

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You are wrong on both counts. The vast majority of the 787's efficiencies come from the engines (probably something like 75%). Even Boeing admits that "5 or 6" of the so called game changing technologies it included on the 787 have not worked out as well as they expected and shouldn't have been included in hindsight. The 787-8 is less than 2 tonnes lighter than the A330-200. Also remember this is a two horse race. The reason Boeing had to launch the 787 was because no one was buying the 767 anymore and where opting for A330's instead.

As for the A350, it is a different plane for a different market. The A350 is in the same category as the 777 and the A330 is in the same category as the 767 and 787.

When the 787 came out and was wildly successful, Airbus were pressured into providing a response. At first they offered something similar to the A330 neo (an A330 with new engines and other minor improvements), the airlines said it wasn't good enough. Then they offered the A350 which was basically an A330 with a new carbon fibre wing, engines, cockpit and, AL-LI fuselage and other upgrades (basically what Boeing has done to create the 777x) and after gaining a modest number of orders, some very important customers told them they wanted an all new plane.

So the A350XWB was born the new name was necessary in order to differentiate it from the old A350. By now, Airbus realised that it would be unwise to go directly after the 787 so they made the A350XWB a bit larger so it was more into the territory of the 777 and A340.

A330neo makes sense in filling Airbus’ product void in 200-300 seat segment
A330neo to work best on sectors under 2,000nm
A330neo adds 2-3 tonnes of weight; block fuel burn reduction ~12%
787 still retains significant fuel burn & operating cost advantage against A330neo
787-10 block fuel burn 10-12% lower than A330-300neo on shortest routes
787-10 around 7% more weight efficient than A330-300neo
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The A330neo sells like hot cakes!!!

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First U.S. airline to join launch list for new aircraft type

23 July 2014 Press Release

Hawaiian Airlines has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with Airbus for six A330-800neo aircraft. The agreement adds yet another name to the growing list of launch customers for the new aircraft type. The new commitment replaces a previous order placed by Hawaiian for six A350-800s.

“The A330-800neo’s fuel efficiency, additional range and commonality with our existing A330 fleet makes the A330-800neo an elegant solution to our need for growth aircraft toward the end of this decade,” said Mark Dunkerley, President and CEO of Hawaiian Airlines.

“Hawaiian Airlines has long recognized the value of innovation and today’s commitment is yet more evidence of that forward-thinking mindset,” said John Leahy, Airbus Chief Operating Officer, Customers. “The A330-800neo will serve the Hawaiian network well as the airline continues to expand in Asia and grow its capacity in mature markets. The aircraft will provide unbeatable value in a very large and important segment of the widebody market.”

Hawaiian Airlines currently operates a fleet of 18 A330-200 aircraft, with additional orders for 16 A321neo aircraft on backlog.

The A330-800neo and the A330-900neo are two new members of the Airbus Widebody Family launched last week at the Farnborough Air Show. First deliveries are scheduled to start in Q4 2017. The A330neo incorporates latest-generation Rolls-Royce Trent 7000 engines, aerodynamic enhancements and new cabin features. Benefitting from the unbeatable economics, versatility and high reliability of the A330, the A330neo reduced fuel consumption by 14 percent per seat, making it the most cost-efficient, medium-range Widebody aircraft on the market. In addition to greater fuel savings, A330neo operators will also benefit from a range increase of up to 400 nautical miles and of course all the operational commonality advantages of the Airbus Family.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that MoU drops the A358 backlog to essentially 0?
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The orders are now around 20 I think.
The A350-800 won´t be built anyway. I said that loooooong time ago.

On the other hand Airbus may launch an A350-1100 in the future.

So that the line-up would look like this:

A330-800neo
A330-900neo
A350-900
A350-1000
A350-1100

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The current order total for the A350-800 is 28

Aeroflot: 8
Asiana: 8
AWAS (Ansett Worldwide Aviation Services ): 2
Yemenia: 10


The Aeroflot & Asiana orders are likely to be converted to the A330neo or the A350-900. What will happen to the AWAS order is unclear. And it's not likely that Yemenia will be taking delivery of any new plane in the near future as the country is a complete mess because of ongoing civil unrest.

So yes, there are still a couple of A350-800 orders in the books, but it's just a matter of time before this is actually reduced to zero.
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Looks like the A330NEO order campaign has gone to a great start, with over 100 orders and commitments... I truly want to see that aircraft be configured to have like 4 classes (F, J, W, and Y) instead of just 3 so that there can be more seat choices available for passengers. And I'm surprised that Transaero will also order some A330NEOs, especially that it has never operated A330s before (only the B767s)... yet Hawaiian making such an order is no surprise to me.
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And I'm surprised that Transaero will also order some A330NEOs, especially that it has never operated A330s before (only the B767s)
They actually began 'airbusication' quite a while ago, signing contracts for A320/321 and A380 back in 2011-2012.
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They actually began 'airbusication' quite a while ago, signing contracts for A320/321 and A380 back in 2011-2012.
Aha... And it would be the airline's first time then to order an A330 then because it has not ordered either the -200 or -300 variants and instead opted for the NEO version. True? I think the comparable aircraft to the A330NEO would be their B767s and B777-300s from SQ...
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