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Old November 21st, 2016, 05:26 AM   #1021
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Aerolineas Argentina to retire its 7 A340s in 2018, no decision yet on a replacement.

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...7-700s-in-2018
Likely possible replacement: A330-800neo. The A350XWB-900 may be too expensive for that airline.
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Old November 21st, 2016, 05:31 AM   #1022
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Likely possible replacement: A330-800neo. The A350XWB-900 may be too expensive for that airline.
I would think it would be difficult to get an A330neo in 2018 with the first A330neo delivery due late 2017 at best. Never mind around 7 of them.
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 01:42 AM   #1023
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I would think it would be difficult to get an A330neo in 2018 with the first A330neo delivery due late 2017 at best. Never mind around 7 of them.
Aerolineas Argentina got a number of A330-200's recently. I think it would be a natural for this airline to get the A330-800neo, which share a lot of commonality with the A330-200.
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 08:56 AM   #1024
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By then there will be multiple second hand choices to choose from because there's already saturation in the long haul market.
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 09:06 PM   #1025
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Indeed, that's the most likely scenario.


About the A330-800, Airbus just lost 40% of the backlog of this type.

The Taiwanese airline TransAsia Airways that had 4 on order had to shut down.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...t-down-431698/
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 05:08 AM   #1026
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By then there will be multiple second hand choices to choose from because there's already saturation in the long haul market.
So where is Aerolineas Argentina going to get more good-condition used A330-200's from? AerCap? GE Capital Aviation Services?
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 07:44 AM   #1027
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There are always options that become available. Turkish Airlines for example just stored 9 A332, is that just temporary or will they become available? Transasia Airways closing down means another 4 A333s waiting to be be picked up by another airline. In the next couple of years more A332s and A333s will become available like this, which both could be interesting for Aerolineas Argentina. I would be very surprising if they weren't looking at these kind of options.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 05:00 PM   #1028
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Not to mention there will be ample 77W's on the second hand market now.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 06:33 PM   #1029
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There are always options that become available. Turkish Airlines for example just stored 9 A332, is that just temporary or will they become available? Transasia Airways closing down means another 4 A333s waiting to be be picked up by another airline. In the next couple of years more A332s and A333s will become available like this, which both could be interesting for Aerolineas Argentina. I would be very surprising if they weren't looking at these kind of options.
The question is are those A332's in good enough condition to be snapped up by a lessor like AerCap or GECAS, refurbished, and then sold or long-term leased to Aerolineas Argentina?
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 08:13 PM   #1030
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Yes there are some very good 2nd hand wide body planes on the market.
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Old November 24th, 2016, 11:09 PM   #1031
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Not to mention there will be ample 77W's on the second hand market now.
That would be more difficult because they don't currently fly any 777s and it would require extensive training and certification of their flight crew to incorporate that into the fleet.
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Old November 25th, 2016, 11:41 AM   #1032
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Saudia may have a large surplus of new A330s to sell (or lease) to Aerolineas.
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Old November 25th, 2016, 12:10 PM   #1033
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1st Airbus #A330neo (msn 1795 - F-WW..) emerged from FAL today source : https://twitter.com/mba340/status/80...275332?lang=en
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Old November 25th, 2016, 12:47 PM   #1034
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Unlike the A350-1000 I don't think RR delivered the engines yet, as in before the rollout. Any idea when the first 2 Trent 7000s are due anybody??
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Old November 25th, 2016, 07:31 PM   #1036
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new engine and new winglet so far
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Old November 26th, 2016, 09:16 AM   #1037
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Aside from the obvious winglet and engine difference, I can see a slightly modified wingroot fairing too.
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Old November 26th, 2016, 07:15 PM   #1038
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Is the wing completely new too?
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Old November 26th, 2016, 08:16 PM   #1039
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Are the windows the same size? They look tiny...
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Old November 28th, 2016, 11:35 AM   #1040
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Aerolineas Argentina to retire its 7 A340s in 2018, no decision yet on a replacement.

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...7-700s-in-2018
The article is a little bit inaccurate. At the beginning of 2016, Aerolíneas had six A330-200 and seven A340-300. Since then, the company added three A330-200 (two new ones and another second-hand) and retired two A340-300, effectively leaving them with just five A340. Another two A340-300 will be retired early next year while at the same time taking delivery of another second-hand A330-200, therefore keeping the long-haul fleet at 13 airframes: ten A330-200 and three A340-300.

In the short term they only need to find a replacement for those last three A340-300, which are scheduled to leave the fleet in December 2017, September 2018 and November 2018. My guess would be that they will try to get another second-hand A330-200 for late 2017 and maybe two new end-of-the-line A330-200 for delivery in the second half of 2018.

However, in the mid-term they will also need to think about a replacement for their four older, PW-powered A330-200, manufactured in 1999 and 2000.

Aerolíneas have been talking about operating their two 242t A330-200 to Rome, which would be the longest nonstop flight operated by any A330. Eventually they might be more comfortable operating that route with a higher-range airplane while at the same time keeping capacity low, and the A330-800 would seem ideal in that context. However Aerolíneas has been reluctant to operate RR-powered airplanes and Boeing is said to be seriously pitching its 787-9 to them.
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