daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > World Forums > Architecture > Urban Renewal and Redevelopment

Urban Renewal and Redevelopment Bringing new life into old buildings and neighbourhoods



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old January 7th, 2013, 12:04 PM   #61
eklips
Registered User
 
eklips's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,649
Likes (Received): 5030

Quote:
Originally Posted by musiccity View Post
Hey guys, great conversations. But we should throw in some actual slum redevelopment projects in at least sometimes
I know this is just a forum, but in a more serious area these kind of discussions would be necessary preliminary talks before engaging the subjects of "redevelopment" . Why? Because they engage the subject of what slums are, and what urban alternatives to "redevelopment" exist out there (such as stabilising the slums to transform them into solid, residential areas, as in the old European city centers and villages).
__________________
Madrid
eklips no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old January 7th, 2013, 12:53 PM   #62
Legomaniac
Registered User
 
Legomaniac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Las Vegas- Seattle - Mexico City
Posts: 5,451
Likes (Received): 1955

I'll try to make it simpler i think

While this thread was planned to show pictures and projects of areas that have gone from bad to better, the whole subject of urban renewal inevitably will lead to discussions relating the topic. I think it should be noted that as long as we avoid conflicts and accept others opinions, the direction this thread is taking will be fine.

So, I propose (if you guys agree) that this thread should include opinions, perspectives, and ideas about what leads and what makes urban renewal and redevelopment possible. Whether it's for better or worse, cause and effect, before and after, etc, all these should be topics to be included.
Legomaniac no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 7th, 2013, 12:57 PM   #63
fulger2013
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 106
Likes (Received): 80

we have no slums in Russian cities ...1st because of communists which built free cheap appartment blocks for everyone , 2nd because of cold winter ...you can't survive it in a slum ...
fulger2013 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 7th, 2013, 04:05 PM   #64
musiccity
Retired Mod
 
musiccity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 18,088
Likes (Received): 15095

Quote:
Originally Posted by eklips View Post
I know this is just a forum, but in a more serious area these kind of discussions would be necessary preliminary talks before engaging the subjects of "redevelopment" . Why? Because they engage the subject of what slums are, and what urban alternatives to "redevelopment" exist out there (such as stabilising the slums to transform them into solid, residential areas, as in the old European city centers and villages).
I never said don't have any discussions, but we need to throw in some more information about actual projects. Don't get me wrong I'm all about healthy discussion and this is an interesting topic, feel free to discuss what you like. but there have only been 12 posts with any actual information about slum redevelopment projects and that is out of 63 posts. I'm just saying I would like to see more projects.

And, Legomaniac were the original inhabitants of Santa Fe moved into public housing? Santa Fe sure has some beautiful skyscrapers though. Its one of my favorite 'highrise clusters' in Latin America Glad is was redeveloped just wondering about the original slum dwellers.
__________________
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

-Mark Twain
musiccity no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 13th, 2013, 10:29 PM   #65
musiccity
Retired Mod
 
musiccity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 18,088
Likes (Received): 15095

Here are some major slum-public housing conversions in Luanda, Angola

This is Kilambi Kiaxi, formerly a sprawling slum


Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyshow View Post
















































as fotos tirada no mês de agosto 2012
From the Angolan forum
__________________
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

-Mark Twain
musiccity no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 14th, 2013, 01:11 AM   #66
timo9
11 YEARS HERE!
 
timo9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 15,026
Likes (Received): 2059

timo9 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 14th, 2013, 02:51 AM   #67
RegentHouse
City Development Shitlord
 
RegentHouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,216
Likes (Received): 771

It looks there's some confusion over what is a "slum" in general, and squatter settlements or shanty towns. While most of these are shanty towns, a lot of formal developed places can be considered slums if it was developed as housing for the poor (back-to-backs and tenements) or become so over time (Bunker Hill and South Side mansions into boarding houses or old hotels). In fact, along with general cultural rot, I believe it was the clearance of these "slums" which created many of today's issues. In healthy old neighborhoods governments declared "blight," and where many people actually OWNED their houses, you never had unprecedented crime rates that you do in graffiti-scared public/social housing.

With that all in mind, I'd much rather live here...


...or here:



Than here...


...or here:
RegentHouse no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 14th, 2013, 08:52 AM   #68
Ribarca
Registered User
 
Ribarca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Amsterdam
Posts: 6,607
Likes (Received): 3272

Those Angola social housings look awesome. How is that funded? These look like high end flats to me.


Singapore is probably the example to follow in terms of a social housing. It once had massive slums and now a few decades later it's the first slum free city in the world.

http://ahiglobal.wordpress.com/2012/...nd-nationhood/

It is difficult to imagine that 60 years ago Singapore had “one of the world’s worst slums” according to the British Housing Committee Report. Over half a million people were living in overcrowded, unhygienic squatter settlements and slums without access to sanitation, water or health facilities. Clusters of Chinese, Malays, and Indians carved up the City along racial and ethnic lines.


* Singapore slums in the 1950s



* An old HDB (social housing flat) in Chinatown.

[IMG]http://us.*****.com/400wm/400/400/benglim67/benglim670702/benglim67070200063/781562-a-hdb-flat-in-chinatown-singapore-in-the-front-ground-is-the-buses-which-come-here.jpg[/IMG]

* A new generation HDB (the huge blocks at the end) not too far from the previous flat.

__________________
Drive away these people, Who are so conceited and so contemptuous.


Hong Kong by Xavibarca, www.xavibarca.com
Ribarca no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 14th, 2013, 09:21 AM   #69
Manila-X
PINOY MOD
 
Manila-X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: MANILA
Posts: 14,387
Likes (Received): 2572

The Pinnacle in Singapore is an HDB development but it is less public housing as units there are sold for half a million SG dollars.

And those living in it are not either lower or working class.
__________________
Manila X-Perience, My collection of images around Metro Manila

Representing The Pinoy Community here in SSC!
Manila-X no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 14th, 2013, 09:39 AM   #70
Ribarca
Registered User
 
Ribarca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Amsterdam
Posts: 6,607
Likes (Received): 3272

That is true. But it's the same board (HDB) that is behind all "social housing". It was more built to provide affordable housing. But there are rental units as well of-course.

Actually the people who bought it originally are going to make a killing once they can sell it.
__________________
Drive away these people, Who are so conceited and so contemptuous.


Hong Kong by Xavibarca, www.xavibarca.com
Ribarca no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 14th, 2013, 02:23 PM   #71
Manila-X
PINOY MOD
 
Manila-X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: MANILA
Posts: 14,387
Likes (Received): 2572

The majority of Singapore's population live in HDB built flats which give the city-state a socialist feel to it.

I'm sure that some of the unit owners in The Pinnacle will definitely sell. The fact it is a prime location close to the city centre and Sentosa.

It is more a condominium than a housing project.

On the other hand, HK's housing authority also has it's same projects as well though not as impressive as those in SG.
__________________
Manila X-Perience, My collection of images around Metro Manila

Representing The Pinoy Community here in SSC!
Manila-X no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 14th, 2013, 05:43 PM   #72
Ribarca
Registered User
 
Ribarca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Amsterdam
Posts: 6,607
Likes (Received): 3272

Do you have any examples of similar HK projects?

The government in Singapore makes it harder now for people to rent out their HDB. I think it's a good thing since the whole purpose of these social housing developments was never to make a lot of money by renting out to expats. I looked at a few since I just moved here and some people are asking crazy prices for these flats almost on par with private condos.
__________________
Drive away these people, Who are so conceited and so contemptuous.


Hong Kong by Xavibarca, www.xavibarca.com
Ribarca no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 14th, 2013, 05:46 PM   #73
musiccity
Retired Mod
 
musiccity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 18,088
Likes (Received): 15095

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ribarca View Post
Those Angola social housings look awesome. How is that funded? These look like high end flats to me.

It's a Chinese funded development
__________________
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

-Mark Twain
musiccity no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 15th, 2013, 02:32 AM   #74
Manila-X
PINOY MOD
 
Manila-X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: MANILA
Posts: 14,387
Likes (Received): 2572

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ribarca View Post
Do you have any examples of similar HK projects?

The government in Singapore makes it harder now for people to rent out their HDB. I think it's a good thing since the whole purpose of these social housing developments was never to make a lot of money by renting out to expats. I looked at a few since I just moved here and some people are asking crazy prices for these flats almost on par with private condos.
Here is the HKHA's official site,

http://www.housingauthority.gov.hk

Some of their later developments can rival the quality of some of the best SG's HDB housing,
__________________
Manila X-Perience, My collection of images around Metro Manila

Representing The Pinoy Community here in SSC!
Manila-X no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 16th, 2013, 07:40 AM   #75
musiccity
Retired Mod
 
musiccity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 18,088
Likes (Received): 15095

More photos from the Angolan forum

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthias Offodile View Post
Here , we go..., Kizaca


image hosted on flickr


image hosted on flickr


image hosted on flickr


image hosted on flickr


image hosted on flickr


image hosted on flickr


image hosted on flickr
__________________
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

-Mark Twain
musiccity no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 16th, 2013, 09:25 AM   #76
Ribarca
Registered User
 
Ribarca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Amsterdam
Posts: 6,607
Likes (Received): 3272

Interesting they seem to use bamboo like in China for the scaffolding.
__________________
Drive away these people, Who are so conceited and so contemptuous.


Hong Kong by Xavibarca, www.xavibarca.com
Ribarca no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 18th, 2013, 02:55 AM   #77
Rocco Buendía
Cosmopolita de internet
 
Rocco Buendía's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Rio de Janeiro
Posts: 328
Likes (Received): 27

But is this the same Kilomba Kiaxi? [I've seen a lot of different writings] Because I heard they aren't selling due to its high prices and/or the difficulties for people to get a housing loan.

Apart of the lack of street trees, I love how the cables are probably underground. I'd love if they had the same habit here...

Oh, and those things under the windows are supports for air conditioner? Why are they under and not above? (They've been doing the same thing here)
__________________
"É como se você estivesse gritando / Mas ninguém pode ouvir
Você quase que sente vergonha / Que alguém possa ser tão importante
E que sem ele, você se sente como um nada
Ninguém vai entender o quanto dói / Você se sente sem esperanças, como se nada pudesse te salvar
E quando se vai, acabou / Você pode querer ter de volta todas aquelas coisas ruins
Daí você tem as boas."
We found love in Região dos Lagos - RJ
Rocco Buendía no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 18th, 2013, 05:29 AM   #78
musiccity
Retired Mod
 
musiccity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 18,088
Likes (Received): 15095

I hope that's not true kilambi kiaxi seems like a dream come true if it weren't too good to be true
__________________
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

-Mark Twain
musiccity no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 18th, 2013, 05:50 PM   #79
Paperyostrich
Kiwi to the rescue
 
Paperyostrich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Southampton, United Kingdom
Posts: 1,966
Likes (Received): 854

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco Buendía View Post
But is this the same Kilomba Kiaxi? [I've seen a lot of different writings] Because I heard they aren't selling due to its high prices and/or the difficulties for people to get a housing loan.

Apart of the lack of street trees, I love how the cables are probably underground. I'd love if they had the same habit here...

Oh, and those things under the windows are supports for air conditioner? Why are they under and not above? (They've been doing the same thing here)
Sadly that is the same one. Even though they are social housing they have a selling price of over $200,000 when they were first built, also there were issues with the building quality of some of the buildings, but I think they have been sorted. Even now though they are still terribly expensive, and few people in Angola can afford them, especially the working class. And in Angola 40% of the population live on less than $1.25 per day.

Despite this they are nice, and they have been done professionally, so that's a plus, but for noe they are Africa's biggest ghost town
__________________
I'm not from Zimbabwe
Paperyostrich no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 19th, 2013, 05:54 AM   #80
Rocco Buendía
Cosmopolita de internet
 
Rocco Buendía's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Rio de Janeiro
Posts: 328
Likes (Received): 27

:/

Anyways, I hope it all end well.
Or better: don't end.
__________________
"É como se você estivesse gritando / Mas ninguém pode ouvir
Você quase que sente vergonha / Que alguém possa ser tão importante
E que sem ele, você se sente como um nada
Ninguém vai entender o quanto dói / Você se sente sem esperanças, como se nada pudesse te salvar
E quando se vai, acabou / Você pode querer ter de volta todas aquelas coisas ruins
Daí você tem as boas."
We found love in Região dos Lagos - RJ
Rocco Buendía no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 06:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu