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Old August 7th, 2013, 10:25 AM   #181
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Jet becomes first Indian airline to order Boeing 737 Max planes


Plane maker Boeing has booked its first order for its fuel-efficient 737 Max aircraft from India, following Jet Airways' decision to acquire 50 such planes. Boeing and Jet recently concluded a purchase agreement for the 737 Max-8, sources said. The 737 Max is expected to enter service in 2017(source).
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Old August 7th, 2013, 04:44 PM   #182
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Jet becomes first Indian airline to order Boeing 737 Max planes


Plane maker Boeing has booked its first order for its fuel-efficient 737 Max aircraft from India, following Jet Airways' decision to acquire 50 such planes. Boeing and Jet recently concluded a purchase agreement for the 737 Max-8, sources said. The 737 Max is expected to enter service in 2017(source).
Great news. Plus Travel Services has firmed up their 3 plane order that they placed at the Paris Air Show. 3 737-8MAXs for them.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 07:30 PM   #183
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air india express should upgrade their b737s fleet to 737 max's
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Old August 7th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #184
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air india express should upgrade their b737s fleet to 737 max's
Hopefully this order will get the 737MAX order book rolling and picking up new orders. A lot of airlines in Asia and Middle East and Australia haven't placed orders for the NEO or MAX. Air India, THAI, any of the China Airlines, airlines in Japan or Philippines.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 08:05 PM   #185
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In the meantime a humble order from the Czech Republic, that was already announced as a commitment at the Paris airshow back in June.

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Boeing, Travel Service Finalize Order for Three 737 MAXs

SEATTLE, Aug. 7, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Travel Service have finalized an order for three 737 MAX 8s, valued at $301.5 million at list prices. The Czech Republic-based carrier originally announced a commitment to purchase the 737 MAX in June during the 2013 Paris Air Show. Today's announcement brings the total number of orders to date for the 737 MAX to 1,498 airplanes.

"In recent years, Travel Service has gone from strength to strength by building a fleet based on highly reliable and versatile Next-Generation 737s," said Roman Vik, general director, Travel Service. "The addition of the 737 MAX to Travel Service will enable our business to continue on this upward trajectory, bringing improved efficiencies to our fleet."

The 737 MAX will be 13 percent more fuel-efficient than today's most efficient single-aisle airplanes and 8 percent more fuel-efficient per seat than tomorrow's competition. The configuration includes new LEAP-1B engines from CFM International that are optimized for the 737 MAX, a redesigned tail cone and the Boeing designed Advanced Technology Winglet to reduce fuel use. Other changes incorporated include upgrades to the flight deck displays, an electronic bleed air system and fly-by-wire spoiler flight controls
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2756


This is only their 2nd direct order with Boeing, the 1st one was an order for 2 737-800s in 2006. Since they operate 28 737s in total they will most likely also be a customer of the leasing companies that have ordered the MAX.
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Old August 12th, 2013, 04:34 PM   #186
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Landing of PK-LBH from Batik Air, one of the latest 739ER operators, at Sentani Jayapura, Indonesia.










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Old August 13th, 2013, 11:45 PM   #187
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I wonder how much of a redesign would be necessary to lengthen the main gear? If they could do that, it would have a number of beneficial effects. It would allow larger diameter engines, and a longer fuselage.

Of course in might require a new wing design, which would be getting awfully close to designing an entirely new aircraft.
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Old August 14th, 2013, 12:01 AM   #188
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And by the way, I wonder if this has been discussed already...

El Al Israel Airlines will be introducing the B737-900ER aircraft to its fleet to replace its aging B767-200ER between late-September and late-October 2013, and it will be used on Israel-Europe flights. The 172-seater aircraft will be configured as C16Y156.

Details and schedules:

Tel Aviv – Paris CDG: effective 24 October 2013, 5 weekly flights
LY319 TLV0600 – 1015CDG 739 x56
LY320 CDG1125 – 1655TLV 739 x56

Tel Aviv – Milan Malpensa: effective 24 October 2013, 4 weekly flights
LY387 TLV1820 – 2145MXP 739 x256
LY388 MXP2250 – 0345+1TLV 738 x256

Day 1 service operates until 25 November 2013

Tel Aviv – Rome: from 1 November to 7 December 2013, 1 weekly flight
LY383 TLV1130 – 1420FCO 739 5
LY384 FCO2145 – 0215+1TLV 739 6

Tel Aviv – Moscow Domodedovo: effective 12 December 2013, 10 weekly flights
LY611 TLV0550 – 1200DME 739 x56
LY613 TLV1635 – 2250DME 739 x56

LY612 DME1310 – 1520TLV 739 x56
LY614 DME2355 – 0205+1TLV 739 x56

Tel Aviv – Barcelona: effective 13 December 2013, 1 weekly flight
LY393 TLV0730 – 1120BCN 739 5
LY392 BCN2250 – 0410+1TLV 739 6

El Al’s planned Boeing 737-900ER operation, as well as final B767-200ER service, remains subject to last minute changes.

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Old August 14th, 2013, 12:10 PM   #189
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I wonder how much of a redesign would be necessary to lengthen the main gear? If they could do that, it would have a number of beneficial effects. It would allow larger diameter engines, and a longer fuselage.

Of course in might require a new wing design, which would be getting awfully close to designing an entirely new aircraft.
I never understood why Boeing didn't utilise some of the better elements of the 757 and merge them with the 737 next gen programme in the 90s.
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Old August 14th, 2013, 12:43 PM   #190
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737-900ER for Ukraine International Airlines



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Old August 15th, 2013, 12:46 AM   #191
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Boeing has painted themselves into a little bit of a corner. Since the first two generations of the 737 were so successful, one of their big pitches for the newer generations (NG and Max) is commonality with the older generations. However, this means they can only upgrade so much before they lose enough commonality to give up that claim.

On the other hand the A320 series started out fresh, and weren't constrained by an installed base.

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Old August 15th, 2013, 01:11 PM   #192
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I never understood why Boeing didn't utilise some of the better elements of the 757 and merge them with the 737 next gen programme in the 90s.
What better elements of the 757 in particular? The 757 was great for the US and British carriers, but failed to gain traction anywhere else really. As I understand, the 757 was ironically "too much" for majority of the short haul missions that airlines wanted it for.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #193
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The 757 has not replace up to today. It was perfect for long haul flights with a low o medium demand (180-210 pax). or ideal for high demand medium flights (3-5 hrs).
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The reality is that airlines have not been very outspoken about a direct 757 replacement. I guess they are already content with a 737-900ER or A321 at the bottom end of the 757 size and range wise and with a 787-8 at the top.

Although I do expect an 757 sized airplane with the next generation of narrow bodies by either or both Boeing and Airbus.
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What better elements of the 757 in particular? The 757 was great for the US and British carriers, but failed to gain traction anywhere else really. As I understand, the 757 was ironically "too much" for majority of the short haul missions that airlines wanted it for.
Oh don't get me wrong, I wasn't suggesting the 757 be flogged as a short haul aircraft.

I was trying to imply that given Boeing had already encountered a problem with the low ground clearance of the 737 when specifying upgraded engines for the -300/400 models, which created the bulbous engines we all know and love today, they didn't use the next gen programme as a basis for a more significant upgrade of the airframe, using elements of the 757 (which has higher ground clearance, a stronger airfame and more aerodynamic nosecone) to allow for more flexibility in future.

I guess it was due to what someone said, the importance of commonality with the existing 737 fleet; as well as cost.
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A new, but predicted order, WestJet will be ordering 65 MAXs to be firmed up on a later date.
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Boeing Statement on WestJet's Intent to Purchase 65 737 MAX Airplanes

SEATTLE, Aug. 29, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) is delighted that WestJet has entered into a letter of intent to purchase 65 737 MAX airplanes, consisting of 40 737 MAX 8s and 25 737 MAX 7s. This pending order, valued at $6.3 billion at current list prices, is a key component of the Calgary-based carrier's strategy to optimize and modernize its fleet.

"Since the very beginning, the Boeing 737 helped play a role in WestJet's growth and success," said Brad McMullen, vice president of North America Sales, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "We are pleased to see the 737 MAX will continue the tradition of supporting WestJet's vision to be one of the most successful international airlines in world. The 737 MAX's efficiency, reliability and passenger amenities will be a successful combination with WestJet famous customer service."

Boeing looks forward to working with WestJet to finalize the order. When finalized, the agreement will be posted to the Boeing Orders & Deliveries website as a firm order.
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http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-08-...-MAX-Airplanes

So this means that they were not behind one of the undisclosed orders, this will be 100% new. Although 15 of them will be conversions from their current orders for the 737NG, it's a net increase of 50 for the all the outstanding 737 orders, NG and MAX.

It's also the 2nd order for the 737-7, when firmed up the total orders for this model will be 75. It will be passing the total number of orders for the A319neo.
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Old August 29th, 2013, 06:28 PM   #197
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Flydubai is behind one of the undisclosed orders. Firming up will probably happen at the Dubai airshow. It's great to hear of another customer who is mainly Boeing sticking with Boeing products. The current 737s will look great along with the MAX. Any possible date of firming up. That could be around the time when Ryanair makes their decision too for the MAX.
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All the undisclosed orders are already firmed up, otherwise they would not be on Boeings orderlist. So FlyDubai won't firm it up but disclose it at the airshow. If of of those is actually from them of course, back in July they said it was still an open race between Boeing and Airbus. No new big undisclosed orders have been placed after they made that comment. It could also be another new order.
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That could be around the time when Ryanair makes their decision too for the MAX.
The Ryanair order might take a bit longer to finalize.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...-year-end.html
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A few weeks back, my flight from TIA to IST was on a brand new THY B737. You could even smell the freshness, it was really really new. Certainly one of it's first flights.
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