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Old July 3rd, 2016, 05:41 PM   #1141
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Show a smooth and reliable product and development cycle I was thinking. And close the gap on Airbus to a few months with their Leap engined neo to deliver this month or next.

Next task is to bring in all MAX production from end 2018 if possible. This will be hard as the cheaper -800 and -700s are attractively priced.

SW gave up some early slots, enough to keep a customer on board or attract one...but not a large number really .... a month and a bit production by 2018 or so.
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Old July 3rd, 2016, 05:47 PM   #1142
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In many ways, because Southwest (WN) was able to grab so many 737-700 (73G) planes from other airlines, they're not under pressure to put up more money up front to buy larger numbers of 737 MAX 8 planes. That way, WN can introduce the 737 MAX 8 at a more measured pace, unlike back 1997-1998 when the airline had to introduce the then-new 73G as fast as possible to replace the aging 737-200 fleet.

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Old July 3rd, 2016, 06:09 PM   #1143
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Absolutely. But they are still the launch customer even if they only take 10-15 MAX frames or so by end 2017 and stop till 2020 then. They and Ryanair are vital to the 737 programme.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 07:52 PM   #1144
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On a related SW matter. SW deferred 67 MAX orders last week out to the 2020s some time.

This was because SW have had great success in the past few years mopping up surplus -NG aircraft on the world market such as the Transaero 700s and using their enormous windfall profits since the oil price collapse 2 years back to pay cash for these frames.

They are getting rid of their classic fleet ( still c.100 left, mainly -300s) and mostly by this time next year as their second hand and new NG sourcing continues. All in all a brilliant piece of timing considering the enormous size of their fleet.

By end 2017 they will have _some_ 737 MAX 8 aircraft in service *14 were contractually due by then and the rest of their fleet will be NG only and they also have 70 x new -800 frames on order for delivery in 2016 and 2017.
The -300s are a big bonus for SW on thin routes. Even after they phase them out and acquire the surplus NG or MAX line, it will still bite into their profit margin. I'm sure they considered everything before deferring orders for the new aircraft. The trick will be to see how the used -700 will fare against the outgoing -300s on some of their light routes.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 08:25 PM   #1145
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Absolutely. But they are still the launch customer even if they only take 10-15 MAX frames or so by end 2017 and stop till 2020 then.
That's not the new schedule. They will take 14-15 MAX from 2017 until 2022, from 2023 they will take up 35-40 every year until 2025.

In the old schedule they would already get up to 36 in 2020 and then slow the deliveries to 24 in 2024.

You can find it here on page 16 & 17:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/316571408...553.1467652052


The -300s are being phased out faster, they will be retired by Q3 2017. As everything goes as planned they won't be operating the 737 classics together with the MAX. That's why the NG deliveries have been moved forward.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 08:41 PM   #1146
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Boeing have already built 2 for SW..6 if you count the test frames of which the last 1 requires no rework. I can't see them holding on to the lot until Q3 17 me.
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We'll see, but at the end of the day it's Southwest who decide when to take delivery of their planes. And if Boeing previously communicated that the EIS would be Q3 2017 it could well be that Southwest will keep Boeing to that EIS. Even if Boeing is ready to deliver the 1st MAX earlier.

And I can see Boeing storing these 737s a couple of months longer, it doesn't have to be a big gap between 1st half 2017 and Q2 2017. In theory that could be June instead of July.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 09:29 PM   #1148
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Read an article today Boeing is thinking about another extension which would be the 737-10 MAX to compete with the 321 NEO which is out selling the biggest MAX five to one.

If I read the article right it said it would fit in perfect between the 737 family, and the medium frame they are studying.
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Old July 5th, 2016, 12:06 AM   #1149
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Read an article today Boeing is thinking about another extension which would be the 737-10 MAX to compete with the 321 NEO which is out selling the biggest MAX .
Not a runner to my mind.But they have to look like they have a plan I suppose.

Boeing were recently busy briefing Ostrower on their mid market plane which will address a spot where the 767-200 once went...after 2025.
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Old July 7th, 2016, 08:02 PM   #1150
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Weekly order update:

+26 -10


"Changes since last update: 26 new orders (Business Jet / VIP Customer(s) for one 737 and Unidentified Customer(s) for 25 737s). In the changes category, reduced 737 orders by ten"

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/#/orders-deliveries
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Old July 7th, 2016, 09:52 PM   #1151
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Alaska's newest special compared to the new livery. The main fuselage is a off-white/grey compared to white.

N248AK Alaska Airlines Boeing 737-990(ER)(WL) - C/N 62469 / LN 5972 Boeing 100 Years Strong by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

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CSeries interior
737-8MAX 1A004 interior:

Duelling passenger cabins. Bombardier's 6-abreast CSeries and Boeing's 737 Max. #FIA16 by Jon Ostrower, on Flickr
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Old July 11th, 2016, 07:45 PM   #1153
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Farnborough 1st day 737 orders



MoU for 30 MAX-200 for Xiamen, to be used by Jiangxi Airlines and Hebei Airlines.
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Boeing, Xiamen Airlines Sign Memorandum of Understanding for 737 MAX 200s

FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 11, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE:BA] and Xiamen Airlines announced today at the 2016 Farnborough International Airshow a Memorandum of Understanding for the purchase of up to 30 737 MAX 200 airplanes, valued at up to $3.39 billion at current list prices.

The airline, which is already a 737 MAX customer, sees the MAX 200 as a fit for its low cost subsidiaries, including Jiangxi Airlines and Hebei Airlines.

Both parties will work closely to finalize the agreement, which requires the approval of Xiamen Airlines board and the China Southern Airline Group board, as well as the Chinese Government.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2016-07-...r-737-MAX-200s

LoI for Donghai Airlines for 25 Max-8
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Boeing, Donghai Airlines Announce Airline's Intent to Purchase 25 737 MAX 8s, Five 787-9s

FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 11, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Donghai Airlines announced today the airline's intent to purchase 25 737 MAX 8s and five 787-9 Dreamliners at the 2016 Farnborough International Airshow. The agreement is valued at more than $4 billion at current list prices.

Shenzhen-based Donghai Airlines previously ordered 15 Next-Generation 737-800s and 10 737 MAX 8s in 2013. Donghai continues to fulfill its strategic plan to convert its business model from cargo services to passenger services.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2016-07-...8s-Five-787-9s


Leasing company identified as a previously unidentified customer for 10 737-800s
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Boeing, Standard Chartered Announce Order for 10 Next-Generation 737-800s

FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 11, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Standard Chartered Bank today announced an order for 10 Next-Generation 737-800s. The order, valued at $960 million at current list prices, was attributed to an unidentified customer on the Boeing Orders & Deliveries website.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2016-07-...ation-737-800s



edit: 1 more, not from Boeing Airplanes but from Boeing Defense for 9 737 based P-8A Poseidon aircraft.
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The Ministry of Defence has confirmed the deal to purchase nine P-8A Poseidon Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) for the Royal Air Force (RAF).

The new aircraft, which will be based at RAF Lossiemouth in Scotland, will play a vital role in protecting the UK’s nuclear deterrent and the UK’s two new aircraft carriers. They will also be able to locate and track hostile submarines, and will enhance the UK’s maritime Search and Rescue (SAR) capability. This capability will also bring economic benefits to Scotland and the wider UK, with an additional 400 personnel based at RAF Lossiemouth.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/m...o-keep-uk-safe
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Boeing also announced a stretched 737 MAX 7, previously known as the MAX 7.5

"More seats. More range. We're moving forward with an improved 737 MAX 7."

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/...31734143213569






"Boeing confirms 737 Max 7 growth. Two more rows - 148 seats. Southwest & Westjet endorses."

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/stat...31998292094977


The new 737-7 is more a shrink of the 737-8 then a stretch of the 737-7. Meaning that it will have more in common with the 737-8 then the 737-700 had with the 737-800. I believe this is the biggest reason why Boeing went for this stretch, simply because it's cheaper for them to built it.
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Old July 11th, 2016, 08:28 PM   #1155
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Southwest were one of the few customers for the 737 max 7 so an "endorse" means what exactly???????

Is the 737 Max 7 dead now?
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The 737 MAX 7 is dead, long life the 737 MAX 7.


This is the new 737 MAX 7, the old one will never take to the skies.
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About the MAX EIS.


"Norwegian's CEO just gave a big clue about the arrival of the 737 Max. He gets his 1st in May 2017 and he's the 2nd or 3rd customer. #FIA16"

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/stat...66883799056385


That's much earlier then the most recent statement of launch customer SouthWest.

Maybe the 2nd or 3rd remark implies that Southwest will indeed take them Q3 2017. Then Norwegian could be 2nd after LionAir. If Southwest remains the launch customer and does take them earlier then they have communicated Norwegian will be 3rd.

We will know next year.
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Old July 11th, 2016, 10:30 PM   #1158
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One or two Lion Air Max 8's are in production right now, no Norwegians yet. But I did say Norwegian might schedule a Max 8 transatlantic route next summer (2017) did I not?
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I think Southwest Airlines thought the original 737 MAX 7 was too small for its needs. As such, Boeing launches the slightly stretched 737 MAX 7, specifically against the Southwest requirement for a large scale eventual replacement of the 737-700 fleet. As such, this new "improved" 737 MAX 7 could end up with a pretty large number built.
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2nd day 737 orders


TUI 10x 737 MAX

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Boeing, TUI Group Finalize Order for 10 737 MAXs, One 787-9 Dreamliner

FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 12, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) and TUI Group, the world's number one tourism business, finalized an order today at the 2016 Farnborough International Airshow for 10 737 MAX 8s and one 787-9 Dreamliner. The order, valued at $1.4 billion at current list prices, also includes an option for one additional 787-9.

With today's order, TUI Group now has three unfilled orders for 787-9s and 70 for the 737 MAX.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2016-07-...7-9-Dreamliner


Identification of a UFO for ALC.
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Boeing, Air Lease Corporation Announce Order for Six 737 MAXs

ALC's total number of MAX orders grows to 118

FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 12, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Air Lease Corporation (NYSE: AL) announced an order for six 737 MAX 8s at the 2016 Farnborough International Airshow.

Three of the orders are new, and three were previously attributed to an unidentified customer on the Boeing Orders & Deliveries website. The order is valued at $660 million at current list prices.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2016-07-...r-Six-737-MAXs


3rd 737-7 order, well, still a MoU for Kunming Airlines
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Boeing, Kunming Airlines Announce Memorandum of Understanding for 10 737 MAX 7 Airplanes

Kunming Airlines becomes launch customer in China for improved 737 MAX 7 model

FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 12, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Kunming Airlines today announced a Memorandum of Understanding for the purchase of 10 737 MAX 7 airplanes at the 2016 Farnborough International Airshow.

With this agreement, Kunming Airlines, an all-Boeing fleet customer in China, would become launch customer in China for the improved 737 MAX 7 airplane. The agreement further enhances the strategic cooperation between Boeing and Kunming Airlines.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2016-07-...AX-7-Airplanes


Boeing even announced a unidentified MoU from China.
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Boeing Announces Commitment for 30 737 Airplanes from Unidentified Chinese Customer

FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 12, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] today announced a commitment for 30 737 airplanes from an unidentified Chinese customer at the 2016 Farnborough Airshow.

The commitment includes a mix of 737 MAX and Next-Generation 737 airplanes, valued at more than $3 billion at current list prices.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2016-07-...inese-Customer
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