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Old August 30th, 2017, 02:04 PM   #81
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The supposed top speed in Laos is 160 km/h.
So how long would the trip take for 1000 km Vientiane-Kunming? 7 hours (average 141 km/h)? 8 hours (average 125 km/h)? How long will be spent standing in stations or decelerating to stop?

Many high speed lines elsewhere and in China close at night. Will Vientiane-Kunming railway do so?
China is 1 hour ahead of Laos. Would it be viable to embark a train in Vientiane at 23:00 Laos time, arrive to Kunming at 7:00 Laos time but 8:00 Chinese time, and then accelerate to 300 km/h till Beijing or Shanghai?
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Old August 30th, 2017, 02:57 PM   #82
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The supposed top speed in Laos is 160 km/h.
So how long would the trip take for 1000 km Vientiane-Kunming? 7 hours (average 141 km/h)? 8 hours (average 125 km/h)? How long will be spent standing in stations or decelerating to stop?

Many high speed lines elsewhere and in China close at night. Will Vientiane-Kunming railway do so?
China is 1 hour ahead of Laos. Would it be viable to embark a train in Vientiane at 23:00 Laos time, arrive to Kunming at 7:00 Laos time but 8:00 Chinese time, and then accelerate to 300 km/h till Beijing or Shanghai?
This is not HSR (only 160km/h), and it will definitely open at night.

Overnight train to Kunming is most obvious option, and it may take longer because of custom clearance.
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Old August 30th, 2017, 06:14 PM   #83
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According to the Propaganda document to spread the idea of Lao - Chai Railway project (ເອກະສານໂຄສະນາເຜີຍແຜ່ນຳພາແນວຄິດກ່ຽວກັບໂຄງການກໍ່ສ້າງທາງລົດໄຟລາວ-ຈີນ), we got the following vital information about Lao - China Railway
1. It will be standard gauge single track
4. th design will be according to geographic section - which has to be separated into 2 sections
4.1. Boten - Vangvieng (Steep hill section) Max Speed at 160 kph for passenger trains while 120 kph for cargo trains
4.2. Vangvieng - viengchan capital A(plateau section) Max Speed at 200 kph for passenger trains while 120 kph for cargo trains
8 There will be 33 railway stations even though ONLY 21 stations will be built - 12 will be built later - there will be 4 passenger trains (definitely EMUs) and 14 cargo trains (Locos and wagons includign BCFs)
9. Each station has a track capacity of 23 trains a day - with a hope that once all 33 stations have been opened, the track capacity will be raised to 39 trains a day
9.1 Track capacity of Boten - Mueang Xai - initially 25 trains a day - short term 42 trains a day and long term 42 trains a day
9.2 Track capacity of Mueang Xai - Luang Phrabang - initially 26 trains a day - short term 40 trains a day and long term 40 trains a day
9.3 Track capacity of Luang Phrabang - Vangvieng - initially 25 trains a day - short term 40 trains a day and long term 40 trains a day
9.4 Track capacity of Vangvieng - veingchan capital - initially 23 trains a day - short term 39 trains a day and long term 39 trains a day
9.5 Track capacity of veingchan capital - Friendship binitiall 54 trains a day - short term 54 trains a day and long term 54 trains a day
10. ticket rate - 0.30 Yuan per person per km (350 Kip per person per km or Viang Chan capital - Boten at 140000 Kip per person - cheaper and faster than buses by a half while cargo train tariff is at 0.50 Yuan per ton per km
(600 Kip per ton per km) - or Viang Chan capital - Boten at 140000 Kip per ton - cheaper than going by trucks and 45 hour fasters
11. Need 3000 hectar (18750 Rai) of railway land for track and station yards - with 50 meter wide land strip while the area in fornt of tunnel will be 50 meter wide and 100 meter long while 3 Major stations at Luang Phabang, Vangvieng
and Viengchan capital near National Stadium at km 16 need 500 meter wide and 3000 meter long land for station yards while the mid size stations such as Boten, Na Moh, Muang Nga, and Kasi station will need 200 meter wide and 2000 meter long
land for station yards - so the detrimental effect is unavoidable
So, with the 21 initial stations, what will be the trip time Boten-Vientiane for a train that makes all 21 stops?
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Old August 30th, 2017, 07:27 PM   #84
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So, with the 21 initial stations, what will be the trip time Boten-Vientiane for a train that makes all 21 stops?
Most of them are passing stations. I think there are only 4 passenger stations
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Old August 30th, 2017, 08:01 PM   #85
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Most of them are passing stations. I think there are only 4 passenger stations
Which ones?
The "major stations" are listed as 3:
  1. Luang Phabang
  2. Vangvieng
  3. Vientiane
The "mid sized" stations are listed as 4:
  1. Boten
  2. Na Moh
  3. Muang Nga
  4. Kasi
So which are the 4 passenger stations?
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Old August 31st, 2017, 06:27 AM   #86
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Which ones?
The "major stations" are listed as 3:
  1. Luang Phabang
  2. Vangvieng
  3. Vientiane
The "mid sized" stations are listed as 4:
  1. Boten
  2. Na Moh
  3. Muang Nga
  4. Kasi


So which are the 4 passenger stations?
the major stations are definitely for express train while mid size station are for rapid train - even though Udomxay should be counted as mid size due to status as provincial capital. the rest are definitely for local train though.
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Old August 31st, 2017, 08:13 AM   #87
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the major stations are definitely for express train while mid size station are for rapid train - even though Udomxay should be counted as mid size due to status as provincial capital. the rest are definitely for local train though.
So, shall these 21 stations receive at least local train passenger service, or are they purely passing places, without stopping?
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Old August 31st, 2017, 08:25 AM   #88
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So, shall these 21 stations receive at least local train passenger service, or are they purely passing places, without stopping?
Yah, at least those minor stations and stops should have local train service though - as a rule of thumb.
I even see the plan for creating the planned network of commuter train around Viengchan capital including Airport Link to the new Viengchan International airport to replace Wattai airport.

In its latest move, the Lao government plans to hold talks with Cambodia to discuss the construction of a 150-kilometre railway linking Pakxe, the capital of southern Champassak province, to Veunkham on the Cambodian border.

Some of these projects are already under construction while one short section is operational. The six railways are:
the Lao-Thai Project (3.5 km opened - 7.5km more under construction after opening the container yard section of Tha Nalaeng station),
the Laos-China Railway Project (414 km - still under construction - now 8.3% done);
Savannakhet- Lao Bao (220-km Connecting with central region of Vietnam - still under revision);
Vientiane-Thakhek-Mu Gia (455-km - Connecting with Northern region of Vietnam to Port of Vung An);
Thakhek-Savannakhet-Pakxe-Vangtau (Checkpoint opposite to Chong Mek of Ubon, Thailand); and
Pakxe-Veunkham (150-km - Lao-Cambodian border).
https://www.pressreader.com/thailand...81947427985267
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Old August 31st, 2017, 06:42 PM   #89
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A list of 21 stations:
1. Boten
2. Ban NaThong
3. Ban HuaNam
4. Muong Xai
5. Ban NakhokTay
6. Huoi Phoulai
7. Luang Prabang
8. Muong XiengNgeun
9. Ban Sen
10. Kasi
11. Ban BuaPheouk
12. Ban Phatang
13. Vang Vieng
14. Ban VangMon
15. Ban MangKhi
16. Ban HinHop
17. Phonh Hong
18. Ban Sakha
19. Ban Phonh Sung
20. Vientiane Neua
21. Vientiane Tay
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Old September 1st, 2017, 08:11 AM   #90
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A list of 21 stations:
1. Boten
2. Ban NaThong
3. Ban HuaNam
4. Muong Xai
5. Ban NakhokTay
6. Huoi Phoulai
7. Luang Prabang
8. Muong XiengNgeun
9. Ban Sen
10. Kasi
11. Ban BuaPheouk
12. Ban Phatang
13. Vang Vieng
14. Ban VangMon
15. Ban MangKhi
16. Ban HinHop
17. Phonh Hong
18. Ban Sakha
19. Ban Phonh Sung
20. Vientiane Neua
21. Vientiane Tay
Where did you get this? Cracking from the route map in Chinese language?

1. Boten (磨丁 บ่อเต็น)=> cle arly the one at the Southern end of Friendship tunnels
2. Ban NaThong (班那通 บ้านนาทอง) => should be around Ban Nateuy as reported by the news
3. Ban HuaNam (班华楠 บ้านหัวน้ำ) => should be around Ban Na Mor as reported by the news
4. Muong Xai - (孟塞 เมืองไซ) the provincial capital of Oudomsay province
5. Ban NakhokTay ( 班纳科南 - บ้านนากอกใต้)
6. Huoi Phoulai (会福莱ห้วยภูลาย )
7. Luang Prabang (拉琅勃拉邦 หลวงพระบาง ) - World Heritage - probably near Luang Prabang Airport
8. Muong XiengNgeun (孟相嫩 เมืองเชียงเงิน ) - southern suburb of Luang Prabang
9. Ban Sen (班森 บ้านเส้น)
10. Kasi (卡西 กาสี)
11. Ban BuaPheouk ( 班本弗 บ้านบัวเผือก)
12. Ban Phatang (班帕当 บ้านผาตั้ง)
13. Vang Vieng ( 万荣 วังเวียง) - tourist spot
14. Ban VangMon (班旺门 บ้านวังมน)
15. Ban MangKhi (班万基 บ้านวังขี )
16. Ban HinHop ( 班欣合 บ้านหินเหิบ)
17. Phonh Hong ( 丰洪 โพนฮง ) - Provincial Capital of Vieng Chan
18. Ban Sakha ( 班沙噶 บ้านสะกา)
19. Ban Phonh Sung (班芬送 บ้านโพนสูง)
20. Vientiane Neua - (万象北 -- เวียงจันเหนือ) Northern Vieng Chan capital
21. Vientiane Tay (万象南 เวียงจันใต้) - clearly the station near National Stadium at Lak 16
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Old September 1st, 2017, 10:33 AM   #91
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Where did you get this? Cracking from the route map in Chinese language?
From this post:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...25&postcount=9

It's 2012, but could not find a newer post with a full list of stations.
Thanks for the update and correction!
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From this post:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...25&postcount=9

It's 2012, but could not find a newer post with a full list of stations.
Thanks for the update and correction!
the newer one I DO know is here but still not typing - just full like, not just 21 stations
http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzI4...C01nJI1KlHn#rd
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Old September 1st, 2017, 01:43 PM   #93
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For comparison, the 1000 mm rail line on Thai side has, on the 355 km section between Nong Khai and Thanon Chira Junction, by my count 43 active stations, counting these endpoints.

So, what would be the trip time Vientiane Tay-Boten by a train making all the 19 stops in between?
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For comparison, the 1000 mm rail line on Thai side has, on the 355 km section between Nong Khai and Thanon Chira Junction, by my count 43 active stations, counting these endpoints.

So, what would be the trip time Vientiane Tay-Boten by a train making all the 19 stops in between?
Hard to say - need to figure out the average speed though since some are steep section to cut the construction cost

For the case of Thai - China Railway extension from Nakhon Ratchasima to Nong Khai, there will be station at the following place
1. Nakhon Ratchasima (gate to Isan)
2. Ban Phai (a district of Khon Kaen - main dropping point to Roy Ed, Maha Sarakham)
3. Khon Kaen (another major town in central Isan
4. Udon Thani (another major town of Northern isan - military base)
5. Nong Khai - the last station within Thai soil before heading to Laos

For the existing list of stations and stops from Nakhon Ratchasima to Nong Khai, here is the list - just take a look
http://www.geocities.ws/railsthai/northeast.htm

the local trains start at Nakhon Ratchasima since Locomotive depot is at that station and it is a major town - has been a terminus for about 22 years from 1900 to 1922
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Old September 1st, 2017, 03:36 PM   #95
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What are the plans for Vientiane Tay-Nong Khai 1435 mm railway?
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What are the plans for Vientiane Tay-Nong Khai 1435 mm railway?
Only after Thai Government, Lao goivernment, and Chinese government could agree with the cross border traffic after realizing both Bangsue Central - Nong Khai and Boten - viengchan line - this has to include the new railway bridge in parallel with existing bridge across mekhong - closer to Wat Chommanee beach though
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What are the chances of any other rail projects getting the green light in the near future?
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Old September 19th, 2017, 05:21 PM   #98
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Construction update of section I of China-Laos railway

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Section I: total length 38.3km, including 9 tunnels (19.775 km)

2007m main tunnel and 1575m auxiliary tunnel have been excavated.

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Heavy rain during the construction of Lao - China Railway (磨萬鐵路 / 磨万铁路) as reported in 5 August 2017
http://big5.news.cn/gate/big5/silkro...09/44792.shtml


Cooperative on Lao - China Railway (磨萬鐵路 / 磨万铁路) to connect with Thailand as reported on 4 September 2017
https://read01.com/mELNJGy.html#.WcH2DT4jHmg
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China-Laos railway construction update

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10/10/2017: 8176m Phu Wat tunnel 11% completed

















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