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Old March 28th, 2013, 07:05 PM   #321
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Old March 28th, 2013, 07:24 PM   #322
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well said..never gets old,and never get better then some new skyscraper
*Any better, because its already better than any new skyscraper. You are sad.
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Old March 28th, 2013, 07:26 PM   #323
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Old March 28th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #324
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People are so pathetic, which is including me since I'm reading these for entertainment.
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Old March 28th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #325
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" Someone doesn't agree with my opinion? What a sad person."
That was not my point. I am pointing out the way he twisted that persons sentence.
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Old March 28th, 2013, 08:29 PM   #326
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That was not my point. I am pointing out the way he twisted that persons sentence.
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well said..never gets old,and never get better then some new skyscraper
actually it GETS BETTER.
with more modern designs getting built each year... the few remaining classics become more special and unique.

in comparison, take a look at Renaissance art, compare that to the modern.
The older it is, the more appreciation it gets.


There is value and beauty in being a "classic" or an "antique".
I think you'd be forced to realize that once PetronasTT gets "older".
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Old March 28th, 2013, 09:23 PM   #327
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judging a good building is not about look in just one perspective.. newer doesnt means better or vice versa.. i personally will judge on it appearance and what make its special,comfortable, convenience,and impact to community, including historical value..i never say petronas is the best skyscraper, but clearly its better then esb after consider all factor
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Old March 28th, 2013, 09:28 PM   #328
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Historically, ESB will always overshadow Petronas. ESB also had a bigger impact on the skyscraper history than Petronas, without it, god knows where the skyscraper industry would be today. ESB set height standards among other things. ESB did all first, Petronas were subsequent.
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Old March 28th, 2013, 09:33 PM   #329
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judging a good building is not about look in just one perspective.. newer doesnt means better or vice versa.. i personally will judge on it appearance and what make its special,comfortable, convenience,and impact to community, including historical value..i never say petronas is the best skyscraper, but clearly its better then esb after consider all factor
I am judging by looks and history only and the ESB is not overrated in that way. I dont care about its tech or impact on community. The petronas were built to bring tourism and to provide cash for the governors friends through the building of it(thats a fact my father was told when he visited a few yrs ago by a resident who worked with them).
Also on your factors: ESB vs petronas
Appearance= Tie
Comfortable=ESB
Impact=Petronas
History=ESB
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Old March 28th, 2013, 09:37 PM   #330
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Historically, ESB will always overshadow Petronas. ESB also had a bigger impact on the skyscraper history than Petronas, without it, god knows where the skyscraper industry would be today. ESB set height standards among other things.
as i say..historical value is one thing..how about other?interior,cladding,lighting,location,tourist spot,floorplan,observation deck,security.ect,? i know there is no point of argument,its just about taste..
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Also on your factors: ESB vs petronas
Appearance= Tie
Comfortable=ESB
Impact=Petronas
History=ESB
thats my point,,you should consider everything,not just classic,older, history,legend , or what so ever, all the same thing from beginning ..

but really? comfortable got to esb? while ptt have lot of parking,train station right under the tower,easy access to tower by double decker lift, full glass cladding that allowed more light,more comfortable observation deck?
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thats my point,,you should consider everything,not just classic,older, history,legend , or what so ever, all the same thing from beginning ..

but really? comfortable got to esb? while ptt have lot of parking,train station right under the tower,easy access to tower by double decker lift, full glass cladding that allowed more light,more comfortable observation deck?
Okay I am bored now, lets get a new supposedly overrated building.
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owh..yeah? finally...let just move on..
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Old March 28th, 2013, 10:57 PM   #334
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double decker lifts are awkward, 70 Pine st removed it's double decker lifts because of their low popularity.
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Old March 28th, 2013, 11:17 PM   #335
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as i say..historical value is one thing..how about other?interior,cladding,lighting,location,tourist spot,floorplan,observation deck,security.ect,? i know there is no point of argument,its just about taste..
What about them? You first mentioned these
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And ESB is all of that and more.
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Old March 28th, 2013, 11:38 PM   #336
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Ok, lets move on

I hope i wont get attack if i post this. I know lots of ppl say its an icon and its nice. But personally, i feel that this building is kinda overrated. I still prefer the shard, ptt, Chrysler....

Bank of China Tower

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Old March 29th, 2013, 12:17 AM   #337
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Maybe, but it was a major player in putting Hong kong on the map.
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Old March 29th, 2013, 12:44 AM   #338
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it stands out in the skyline, even if not the tallest.

actually, I think it is rather underrated..
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Old March 29th, 2013, 12:56 AM   #339
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Once the tallest building in China, definately not overrated. It's a masterpiece.
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Old March 29th, 2013, 06:36 AM   #340
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I think Bank of China is overrated. It has terrible Feng Shui too, whereas the nearby HSBC Tower has very good Feng Shui (and it's a much better tower too).
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