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Old February 7th, 2013, 06:13 PM   #181
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There are three models of the city at Hannover's the City Hall, one from 1944 previous to the bombing, another from 1945 after the bombing and last but not least another model from actual Hannover.

To be honest with everyone, it is sad to see that such a beautiful city was lost, but I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for what happened. However I do believe it was unfair to bomb the city after the germans had surrender.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 11:30 PM   #182
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Fact: The Nazi's never received a majority of the German vote.

Never.

A plurality of the vote is the most they ever received.

But hey, don't let that simple fact get in the way of your hate.
You are saying about the '33 elections, aren't you? After that the nazi popularity skyrocketed. Guess what would be the score in '41? Are you that ignorant?
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Old February 7th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #183
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some mod should close this thread for some time... I definitely don't like the direction of recent posts... history of WWII is kind of obvious to anyone interested enough.. it is really much better to grab some book than write here some foolishness. The pictures of destroyed cities, rebuilding process, and so on fits in this forum much better - and on the other hand is not so common in literature.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 12:02 AM   #184
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some mod should close this thread for some time... I definitely don't like the direction of recent posts... history of WWII is kind of obvious to anyone interested enough.. it is really much better to grab some book than write here some foolishness. The pictures of destroyed cities, rebuilding process, and so on fits in this forum much better - and on the other hand is not so common in literature.
Well, a civilized discussion is ok. I don't think this needs to be closed. Let's just show some mutual respect and maybe we can all learn some things we may not have known before.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 05:30 PM   #185
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Rotterdam was completely destroyed at the very beginning of the Second World War. In one day the entire citycentre was bombed and burned down to the ground in the days following. The consequenses were dramatic. Rotterdam losts it soul and it will take centuries to give the city back its former glory.

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The Dutch have done a piss poor job or rebuilding Rotterdam. Instead they've allowed the city to be overrun with post modern monstrosities.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 06:11 PM   #186
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A question...

Rome, Paris, and Venice are known as the world's 3 most romantic and beautiful cities. Do you think that if WWII had not occurred, another city such as London, Rotterdam, or Frankfurt may have now hole that title as the world's most beautiful?

Or...were Paris/Rome/Frankfurt already more beautiful than any of these destroyed cities BEFORE the war occurred?
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Old February 8th, 2013, 06:19 PM   #187
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The Dutch have done a piss poor job or rebuilding Rotterdam. Instead they've allowed the city to be overrun with post modern monstrosities.
I agree.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 06:29 PM   #188
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Although the destruction of the environment is massive everywheren, there is an enormous difference in casualties between some of the bombings.
Rotterdam: "only" approximately 800 casualties.
Coventry: about 600.
Hamburg: 42.000
Warsaw: 40.000
Dresden: 25.000

I know that the last 3 bombings were much longer and more intensive and that incindiary bombs were used. Still, it is quite surprising that the death toll in (for instane) Rotterdam was relatively low (I'm not trying to minimize it) if you see the enormous destruction in the pictures above. Even the bombing of Mortsel (a small suburb of Antwerp) lead to a higher number of casualties. Also, as far as I can see, the bombing of Rotterdam was on a residential part of the city and not on an industrial zone. How can this be explained?
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Old February 8th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #189
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I really wonder how Japanese cities would look today if they hadn't been destroyed.
Kyoto was the only major Japanese city not bombed in World War II; it was put off-limits by Secretary of War Henry Stimson, who appreciated its cultural importance.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 06:40 PM   #190
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A question...

Rome, Paris, and Venice are known as the world's 3 most romantic and beautiful cities. Do you think that if WWII had not occurred, another city such as London, Rotterdam, or Frankfurt may have now hole that title as the world's most beautiful?

Or...were Paris/Rome/Frankfurt already more beautiful than any of these destroyed cities BEFORE the war occurred?
In terms of beauty, those cities have and would have many rivals. Yet, the amount of historical buildings couldn't be matched in the future. And this is what makes them so special.

Venice though is not only beautiful, but unique due to its location.

In Germany, the Romantic period was characterised by the glorification of the Middle Ages. In this respect, Nuremberg, Frankfurt and Danzig were the biggest losses.

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Old February 8th, 2013, 07:23 PM   #191
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My (top 5) list of greatest cities lost during WWII based on some different points of view.

Tourist point of view:

1. Gdansk/Danzig (1000 year history, the only place in this part of Europe where mannerist architecture dominated and was preserved until the 20th century, a historically polish and german city which almost remained unchanged since it golden age in the 16th and 17th century. The cities population was as well the greatest proof that these to nations can cooperate and create immense fortunse if they really wanted)


2. Nuremberg (The greatest medieval city in pre-war Germany)


3. Dresden (Because it was the European capital of baroque architecture)


4. Warsaw (You don´t recieve the title "Paris of the north" for nothing)


5. Frankfurt am Main (Simply the oldest and probably greatest preserved old town of the largest german cities)
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Old February 8th, 2013, 07:46 PM   #192
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Anyway, I like that list-idea.

Top WWII losses

Nuremberg



Frankfurt (Main)



Danzig



Dresden



Hildesheim



Braunschweig



Hamburg




Straßburg



Berlin



Cologne

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Old February 8th, 2013, 09:41 PM   #193
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The architecture in pre-1793 Gdansk was mostly in the flamish mannerist and italian renaissance style.

Only in the 19th century after the partitions of Poland the dominant architecture styles were neo-mannerist and neo-renaissance with some german additions.

This is not german architecture, it is flamish/dutch. End of discussion

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Old February 8th, 2013, 10:06 PM   #194
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In terms of contrast Le Havre seems to be the worst.. used to be beautiful, now it is one of the ugliest cities I have seen, and that is without communism!
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Old February 8th, 2013, 10:18 PM   #195
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Munich

Prewar Population: 830.000



What a city.

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Prewar Population: 431.800











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Bremen

Prewar Population: 431.800

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Glad you mentioned Bremen, was thinking about doing it myself
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Old February 9th, 2013, 12:01 AM   #199
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A question...

Rome, Paris, and Venice are known as the world's 3 most romantic and beautiful cities. Do you think that if WWII had not occurred, another city such as London, Rotterdam, or Frankfurt may have now hole that title as the world's most beautiful?

Or...were Paris/Rome/Frankfurt already more beautiful than any of these destroyed cities BEFORE the war occurred?
London had already been damaged by fires and poor urban planning. Rotterdam and Frankfurt, meh, they used to be little pearls, but we're talking about Rome, Paris and Venice here. Rome has monuments covering 25 centuries of history. One district of Rome alone could easily be a world-class art city. Having so many monuments in Rome makes each one of them less famous than it could be if it was placed elsewhere. Rome artistical heritage is somehow underestimated.
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Bremen still rocks! Wonderful city...
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