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Old February 9th, 2013, 01:15 AM   #201
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I would have loved to see more of pre-war München. Even though the city today looks a lot better than most other major german cities today, it also has it's share of horrible 50's, 60's and 70's boxes.

And every time I look at Nürnberg in particular it tears me apart. The modern "reconstruction" of the city is the worst thing they could have done - I'd rather seen commieblocks built throughout the city centre than what is there today because I think that it would have been easier to eventually tear down those and reconstruct the old town properly.

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Old February 9th, 2013, 03:17 AM   #202
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A question...

Rome, Paris, and Venice are known as the world's 3 most romantic and beautiful cities. Do you think that if WWII had not occurred, another city such as London, Rotterdam, or Frankfurt may have now hole that title as the world's most beautiful?

Or...were Paris/Rome/Frankfurt already more beautiful than any of these destroyed cities BEFORE the war occurred?
Rome, Paris and Venice were already back then famous for their beauty and culture. But there were in fact some German cities, that were back then also pretty famous for their beauty. Nuremberg (Nürnberg) for example was highly popular with tourists in the 19th century, most of all with the British. It was known as one of the most (if not THE) picture perfect medieval city in Europe.
Another example was Dresden. It was back then considered as one of Europes most beautiful cities, right at the top with cities like Paris, Prague, Florence, Vienna, St. Petersburg... But with the destruction that changed...
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Old February 9th, 2013, 07:06 AM   #203
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And every time I look at Nürnberg in particular it tears me apart. The modern "reconstruction" of the city is the worst thing they could have done - I'd rather seen commieblocks built throughout the city centre than what is there today because I think that it would have been easier to eventually tear down those and reconstruct the old town properly.
The so called "reconstruction" of Nürnberg was nothing short of criminal in it's quintessential atrociousness.

Better they left it in ruins. Then at least some sense of it's former beauty could be at least gleaned by the trained eye.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 08:22 AM   #204
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War crimes performed by the US AND Japan in the pacific war is rarely mentioned when WWII is discussed. The crimes performed there matches, or even preceeds the war crimes done by Nazi-Germany in Europe - but you never speak of that when speaking of the cruelties of WWII and after the war both Japan and USA has been looked upon as "good guys" while Germany still to this day is looked upon as "nazis" amongst narrow-minded people. .
The Japanese were as bad as the Nazis. That is true.

And you think that Americans were equal to the Nazis in World War II.

That is a disgusting paranoid fantasy.

Oliver Stone is famous for his leftist conspiracy theories. No one takes him seriously.

I cannot believe that anyone would defend Nazi Germany. Absolutely unbelievable.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 05:47 PM   #205
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Wapper: low number of casualties in Rotterdam Centre can be explained: the bombardment was carried out by 2 Gruppen of Heinkel 111 medium bombers. This was a very small number of bombers. There was a fire which spread out quickly and destroyed the whole city center of a city of 500.000 inhabitants (like the center of Dresden). Most people which were not hit had the chance to flee. In Hamburg, Dresden and Berlin there were no 60 medium bombers but 1000 or double that of heavy bombers and they came back the nights thereafter too. Destruction was enormous and huge fire storms developed.....people could not flee in the night when the whole city seems to burn fiercely. In contrary to Rotterdam the residential areas were the target, not the centers with a lot of big public buildings, stores aso. Oxygen went out, in Hamburg 45.000 died, in Dresden 25.000 and in februari 1945 in the Luisenstadt and NW Kreuzberg not 29.000 as presumed until recently but about 2900. The 29.000 was propaganda for Germans to show the world that Germany population was massacred in the winter and spring of 1945 (in effect that was the case with an average of 10.000 deaths a day on the German side alone).

Finest German cities were Berlin (Imperial style, Belle Epoque), Hamburg (Hanse Style, bricks), Dresden (Baroque Style), Magdeburg (preuss. Style), Frankfurt (all styles), Nürnberg (Middle Age Style) and Danzig (Hanse Style, bricks). Breslau was more central Europe style. Leipzig more Renaissance style.
Kassel, Braunschweig, Mannheim, Karlsruhe, Aachen, Trier, Koblenz, Wiesbaden, Mainz, Darmstadt (Jugendstill), Freiburg, Würzburg, Münster, Hildesheim and Potsdam were like Görlitz, Heidelberg. Regensburg, Ulm and Passau true gems with a beautiful setting. Köln was more Rhineland style with a lot Romanesque churches. München, Stuttgart and Hannover had a lot of fine residential areas. As has been showed on this web even the centers of industrial cities like Duisburg, Dortmund, Bochum, Wupertal, Recklinghausen, Krefeldt, Stettin and Düsseldorf were quite nice and impressive. Chemnitz had besides even very impressive Gründerzeit areas. Not to forget Augsburg, Halle, Erfurt, Meissen, Meiningen, Eisenach, Konstanz, Bautzen aso.

Versailles: the 14 conditions of Wilson were bearable and acceptable for the Germans, but the French insisted on total destruction and humiliation of Germany. They (the Germans) had to accept it and that was so immense bitter and not acceptabel that the Germans were in effect challenged to do it all over and then better! The Germans tried again with a vengeance but so totally with neglectance of human values that they eventually lost and with that their proud country for good and eternity, since they never rebuilt "great" Germany as it once looked. Not even 1 reconstruction..........(Frauenkirche?)
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Old February 9th, 2013, 06:16 PM   #206
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Stunning pictures

Ingwaeone: yes stunning pictures of those buildings in Bremen.
If I am right not less than 1000 of these color drawings of German cities around WW1 were shown on different sites now.

100 cities X 10 colour drawings.......very impressive.

By the way: Bremen was not in my lists of beautiful cities lost. In effect some still exist today, but Bremen lost also some Belle Epoque beauties.......

Please show us the Justizpalast in Magdeburg, Verkehrsministerium in München and that other gem in Bochum.....
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Old February 9th, 2013, 06:58 PM   #207
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I love Nazi and Adolf Hitler haha
Glad that there aren't too much people on this planet like you.

But Bremen was one of my favorite pre-war German cities. A lot of historical Hanseatic buildings, magnificent churches (including the Bremer Dom and the Stephanikirche) and the beautiful Rathaus.....

Well, I think Bremen needs a reconstruction á la Dresden.

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Old February 9th, 2013, 07:01 PM   #208
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sorry, won't trash this thread anymore

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Old February 10th, 2013, 02:07 AM   #209
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Who considered Warsaw as "Paris of the North"? Danzig was as Polish as Krakow German.
Pre-war Warsaw was known as "the Paris of the EAST" (not the North). The East referring to Eastern Europe.
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Old February 10th, 2013, 01:11 PM   #210
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^ they also called Shanghai Paris of the East (and ***** of the Orient).

It'd be interesting to note what cities were called what before WWII.

Paris of the East - Shanghai, Baku, Warsaw
Paris of the South- Buenos Aires
***** of the Orient - Shanghai
Paris of the North - Tromso, Warsaw
Pearl of the Orient - Manila
Florence of the North - Krakow
Venice of the North - Amsterdam, Bruges, Manchester, Stockholm
Venice of the East - Osaka, Suzhou, Udaipur
Rome of the North - Lubeck
Naples of the East - Kagoshima
Athens of the North - Edinburgh

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Old February 10th, 2013, 01:13 PM   #211
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Let me put it this way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_of_the_East
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Old February 10th, 2013, 01:19 PM   #212
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Old February 10th, 2013, 01:21 PM   #213
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Würzburg

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Old February 10th, 2013, 01:23 PM   #214
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Freiburg (Breisgau)

Prewar Population: 110.110

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Old February 10th, 2013, 03:58 PM   #215
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Stunning Würzburg

Ingwaeone.

Some 100 German cities had a prewar population of > 100.000.
With former German territories even about 110.

Ulm (with the tallest churchtower) had 99.000.

Think apart from the most well known cities also about:

Beuthen, Hindenburg, Gleiwitz, Waldenburg, Liegnitz, Oppeln, Zwickau, Jena, Gera, Gotha, Plauen (125.00), Erlangen, Neuss, Hagen, Mönchen Gladbach, Krefeldt, Oberhausen, Mühlheim, Gelsenkirchen, Recklinghausen, Solingen, Leverkusen, Remscheid, Saarbrücken, Kaiserslautern, Ludwigshafen, Dessau, Cottbus, Zwickau, Wilhelmshafen (102.00), Bremerhafen (144.000), Oldenburg, Hildesheim, Schwerin, Lübeck, Kiel (260.000), Rostock, Osnabrück, Oldenburg, Flensburg, Bottrop, Moers, Salzgitter, Wolfsburg, Hamm, Paderborn, Göttingen, Herne, Witten, Siegen, Offenbach, Giessen, Heidelberg, Neuss, Fürth, Regensburg, Frankfur/Oder, Esslingen, Flensburg, Halberstadt. Oberkassel (very fine Gründerzeit buildings).

In Österreich: Wien, Linz, Graz, Salzburg, Innsbrück, Wiener Neustadt.
In Böhmen & Mähren: Eger, Karlsbad.
In Elsass: Metz, Strassburg
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Old February 10th, 2013, 07:48 PM   #216
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Old February 10th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #220
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^ they also called Shanghai Paris of the East (and ***** of the Orient).

It'd be interesting to note what cities were called what before WWII.

Paris of the East - Shanghai, Baku, Warsaw
Paris of the South- Buenos Aires
***** of the Orient - Shanghai
Paris of the North - Tromso, Warsaw
Pearl of the Orient - Manila
Florence of the North - Krakow
Venice of the North - Amsterdam, Bruges, Manchester, Stockholm
Venice of the East - Osaka, Suzhou, Udaipur
Rome of the North - Lubeck
Naples of the East - Kagoshima
Athens of the North - Edinburgh
Brussels and Bucarest are also often called 'petit Paris'
The comparison between Venice and Manchester is a bit weird, I must say. Venice was (and still is) known as a city of dreams. Manchester was famous as one of the ugliest places on earth.
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