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Old February 12th, 2013, 02:49 PM   #241
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Were there plans to bomb Italian cities like Venice, Florence and Rome? I could only imagine the staggering loss if they were bombed.
These cities were actually bombed. But some factors prevented them from being wiped out.
First of all, Italy was not a major front after 1943.
In the second place, after 1943 the italian soil was occupied by german troops. Destroying cities would have affected the italian population, but not the german invaders.
One more point, Rome was considered almost untouchable. It's the seat of the Vatican State, which was indipendent, and of the Catholic Church, and Roosevelt for sure didn't want to loose the support of all its catholic voters. The Vatican State owns several churches in Rome outside the perimeter of the Vatican State, hence the risk of a diplomatic incident was very high.
Then again, Italy was not perceived as an enemy to be annihilated. Mussolini was still in charge in the north, but it was well understood that italians had no power in the war, being a puppet in the hands of Hitler.

Nevertheless, an historical city like Verona (a key target on the way to Germany) saw at least 100 days of bombings, but luckily enough these were mainly targeted at railway stations, factories and peripheral areas rather than at the beautiful historical center, which is still preserved today. Nevertheless, some bombs and grenades hit historical buildings, a couple of churches were destroyed.
Big damage was caused by the Germans themselves, who destroyed all the city's bridges before leaving.





http://www.biografiadiunabomba.it/veronagall.html

Should you be interested, under this link you can find a partial list of all bombings over Italy
http://www.biografiadiunabomba.it/bo...ti_seconda.php
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Old February 12th, 2013, 06:48 PM   #242
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London looks quite... dense.
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Old February 12th, 2013, 07:56 PM   #243
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Warsaw and Manila suffered too much....
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Old February 13th, 2013, 01:57 AM   #244
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I hope the Poles will restore some of the beauty of Sceczin/ Stettin and Wroclaw/ Breslau
Wroclaw has been beautifully restored.









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Old February 13th, 2013, 02:30 AM   #245
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Old February 13th, 2013, 04:28 AM   #246
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Terrible.

I have read recently about the suffering of the people of the Phillipines during the Japanese occupation. So many deaths and so much anguish.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 04:50 AM   #247
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Terrible.

I have read recently about the suffering of the people of the Phillipines during the Japanese occupation. So many deaths and so much anguish.
yeah.. and sadly, Manila has never fully rebuilt. So many lost buildings with great architectural value during those days.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 08:53 AM   #248
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Wroclaw has been beautifully restored.







Very beautiful. It looks like a nice city to visit.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 08:57 AM   #249
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yeah.. and sadly, Manila has never fully rebuilt. So many lost buildings with great architectural value during those days.
A great loss. That youtube video was quite interesting - a very unusual and impressive city.

The wide, spacious streets, greenery and large, handsome buildings look like a combination of Asia, Argentina and California, all in one place.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 10:22 AM   #250
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^ they also called Shanghai Paris of the East (and ***** of the Orient).

It'd be interesting to note what cities were called what before WWII.

Paris of the East - Shanghai, Baku, Warsaw
Paris of the South- Buenos Aires
***** of the Orient - Shanghai
Paris of the North - Tromso, Warsaw
Pearl of the Orient - Manila
Florence of the North - Krakow
Venice of the North - Amsterdam, Bruges, Manchester, Stockholm
Venice of the East - Osaka, Suzhou, Udaipur
Rome of the North - Lubeck
Naples of the East - Kagoshima
Athens of the North - Edinburgh
Venice of the North - Rotterdam
Watch this unique footage from 1931 Riding over Rotterdam
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Old February 13th, 2013, 01:00 PM   #251
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war is the ruin of humanity, cities has fallen many times and rebuilded ,
hitler was evil? napoleon not the same? american's wars around the war are good or right? Stalin was a good man? the comunism in china?
the true is that evil live inside the humans, the problem is that we can't lay it in the deep of us..
WW2 is only the last destruction that suffered our cities, I hope it was the last, but I'm quite sure that it will be not because we aren't able to live togheter in peace..
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Sadly it wasn't the last. I only mention the Balkan war of the nineties.
And the destruction of ancient cities in Syria....
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Old February 13th, 2013, 02:16 PM   #253
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Don't forget Timbuktu, which is said that the islamists did a heavy damage in the last months.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 03:02 PM   #254
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Would Berlin ever be restored in a better way? I really hope so. The problem is that entire generations have grown up with the new modernist Berlin (and other cities) and they don't really care so much about the old cities. Also, the examples of big cities in america (and also Asia) are often not a good influence.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 05:23 PM   #255
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Who on the thread agrees that we should also include lost cities with a pre-war population between 30 000 and 100 000? In this case i would also like to introduce a new criteria that these cities must have been of historic significant importance and had preserved its greatest architecture until WWII (No modernism in the city centres and similar).

Examples. Frankfurt an Oder, Calais, Liegnitz/Legnica, Stargard, Kolberg/Kolobrzeg, Bialystok, Elbing/Elblag, Caen, Glogau/Glogow etc.

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Old February 13th, 2013, 05:24 PM   #256
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Would Berlin ever be restored in a better way? I really hope so. The problem is that entire generations have grown up with the new modernist Berlin (and other cities) and they don't really care so much about the old cities. Also, the examples of big cities in america (and also Asia) are often not a good influence.
The Imperial Palace will be restored in a couple of years. And they will restore the old street plan east of the palace. But there won't be a restoration of all belle epoque buildings lost in WW II. There won't be highrises in the very center of Berlin.
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I think that are gone too many years from the old berlin city, now Berlin is another kind of city, more modern, more futuristic and during my last visit I have seen a great city, is not difficult to find the historic city near unter der linden strasse, but I think than berlin now don't need a "revival era" the only real hole is around the dome, but rebuilded the imperial palace it will be perfect.
Berlin now is the remins of the two cities, East and West, postdamer platz with it's futuristic line, the museum isle, the new parlament near the old reichstag..
Another story is write for the city, far from the pre war capital.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 06:54 PM   #258
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I really wonder how Japanese cities would look today if they hadn't been destroyed.
I don't think they would look very different. Japan is a country that was profoundly transformed over the last 70 years. It wasn't an industrialized country fully build up like Germany was in 1940 while Japan was still a country "in construction", where the bulk of the population was housed in small districts. It was only from 1945 to 1975, that Japan's economy exploded and Japan became an industrialized country.

In terms of tonnage dropped, Japan didn't fare as badly as Germany. Tons of bombs dropped in WW2 over national territories:

Germany - 1,360,000 metric tons
Japan - 160,000 metric tons
UK - 78,000 metric tons

Japan probably would have evolved in a similar way without any bombing: Tokyo would look the same as it does now.
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Tokyo would look the same as it does now.
yes, but remember that in japan most of the old buildings was made of wood
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Old February 13th, 2013, 07:22 PM   #260
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yep, Japanese cities weren't so much bombed flat but incinerated to the ground using mass incendiaries.

The reason Hiroshima and Nagasaki were picked for the atom bombs was because all the other major cities were annihilated already
(and even then Tokyo suffered more casualties than both those cities combined in the world's worst ever air raids).

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Tokyo











One could see 8 miles across to the next standing building:



US maps showing severe bomb damage




other cities:

Osaka




Shizuoka



Yokohama



The three biggest cities:


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