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Old April 6th, 2013, 06:32 PM   #301
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Yes, Munich was hit hard and there are significant amounts of 50s and 60s style buildings all over the city.

They did rebuilt the famous Rathaus and square as well as the operal house and some of the surrounding areas. Plus, many of the street plans were kept in tact. That said, the before and after are substantially different.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 07:33 PM   #302
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MANILA,Philippines

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OMG! I didt not know that Manila was hit that hard :shock:!

Almost a compelte destruction
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Old April 6th, 2013, 09:54 PM   #303
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Quite impressive those German boulevards in Breslau (Berlin, Stettin and Magdeburg).

How does this street looks today??

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I was in Wroclaw (Breslau) two yeard ago and the old town is magnificant. The city does not appear to be a typical "bomb-town" (I have visited 30-35 german cities). The main sqaure hav been rebuidt twice, once in the 70's with modern concrete, and later rebulid in original style. Well done Poles!
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Old April 6th, 2013, 09:58 PM   #304
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I think that are gone too many years from the old berlin city, now Berlin is another kind of city, more modern, more futuristic and during my last visit I have seen a great city, is not difficult to find the historic city near unter der linden strasse, but I think than berlin now don't need a "revival era" the only real hole is around the dome, but rebuilded the imperial palace it will be perfect.
Berlin now is the remins of the two cities, East and West, postdamer platz with it's futuristic line, the museum isle, the new parlament near the old reichstag..
Another story is write for the city, far from the pre war capital.
My guess is ythat the old "borse" (Stock exchange) will be reconstructed.

BTW: Hard to find pictures of it - anyone has some to show?
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Old April 6th, 2013, 10:00 PM   #305
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Halle?
Schwerin?
Stralsund?

Halle was saved from bombing by a by a German WW1 hero, I think his name was Lutcker or something. He negotiated open city deal with the Allies /Nazis.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 10:06 PM   #306
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Northern Germany: Lubeck (capital and headquarter of the historic Hanseatic league), Flensburg, Bremen and Stralsund (Hanseatic cities)

Central Germany: Weimar (the cultural capital of pre-war Germany)

Western Germany: Heidelberg and Aachen (University cities)

Southern Germany (Bavaria): Munich (well rebuilt city, full of museums, palaces, beautiful churches, parks, beerhalls), Bayreuth (The home of Richard Wagner), Bamberg (untouched medieval city), Rothenburg ob der Tauber (Germany´s ultimate medieval city) and Regensburg.

Eastern Germany: Dresden (rebuilt historic centre), Leipzig (The city of music), Gorlitz (Great but smaller saxon city next to the German-Polish border) and of course Berlin (probably the greatest capital of the XXI century)
One of my favourite (intact) German cities is Schwerin, Wittenberg and Gottingen, wich was mostly untouched by war. Gorlitz, Zittau, Stralsund, Oldenburg, Halle too.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 10:19 PM   #307
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Please allow me to make some suggestions as a very experienced traveller to Germany. First of all, Germany's strength is the incredible number of interesting small and medium-sized towns, Many of them former capital cities. This means, that even smaller cities have quite large old towns, opera houses and impressive castles. This being said, several large cities are also worth a visit, despite destruction in ww2. These are my favourite towns from North to South - some are really small: Lübeck, Wismar, Lüneburg, Schwerin, Stralsund, Hamburg, Celle, Salzwedel, Ludwigslust, Potsdam, Brandenburg, Mainz, Trier, Monschau, Goslar, Wolfenbüttel, Quedlingburg, Hameln, Münster, Osnabrück, Aachen, Freiburg, Marburg, Mühlhausen, Weimar, Bad Langensalza, Erfurt, Leipzig, Dresden including Meissen and Pirna, Gôrlitz, Bautzen, Naumburg, Würzburg, Bamberg, Landshut, Regensburg, Ansbach, Munich, Passau, Ingolstadt, Augsburg, Ulm, Freiburg.

If I had to pick a few towns I would not miss Lübeck, Erfurt, Quedlinburg, Bamberg, Görlitz and Augsburg.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 11:39 PM   #308
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Bamberg is also beautyful. These smaller cities in the hart of Germany probably escaped large scale bombing in WWII because they are small?
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Old April 7th, 2013, 02:32 PM   #309
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Bamberg is also beautyful. These smaller cities in the hart of Germany probably escaped large scale bombing in WWII because they are small?
Excatly. They were unimportant to be bombed. But in the final months of 1945, even small cities, towns and even villages got bombed by airplanes and artillery, when the allies tought it was neccersary to do so. But did not such bid destruction like the huge and wide areial bombing of the Brits and US-Americans.

@Kopenhagener: Hamburg, Mainz, Trier, Münster, Aachen, Freiburg, , Würzburg, Munich, Augsburg and Freiburg were heavily bombed.

Speyer and Limburg and der Lahn, Runkel an der Lahn, Bad Camberg, Rotheburg ob der Tauber, Michelstadt, Dinkelsbühl, Bacharach am Rhein, Seligenstadt, Gelnhausen are also worth a visti

"Germany has several styles of timber framing, but probably the greatest number of half-timbered buildings in the world are to be found in Germany and in Alsace (France). There are many small towns which escaped both war damage and modernisation and consist mainly, or even entirely, of half-timbered houses.

The German Timber-Frame Road connects towns with remarkable fachwerk. It crosses Germany with sections in Lower Saxony, Saxony-Anhalt, Hesse, Thuringia, Bavaria, and Baden-Württemberg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Timber-Frame_Road

Trotz der erheblichen Zerstörungen des Zweiten Weltkrieges etwa in Braunschweig, Frankfurt am Main, Hamburg, Hannover, Halberstadt, Hildesheim und Kassel sowie der Verluste der Nachkriegszeit haben sich in Deutschland über eine Million Fachwerkbauten erhalten, zu denen auch einige Fachwerkkirchen gehören. Der Fachwerkbau bestimmt noch heute das Bild ganzer Altstädte und Dorfkerne. In Stolberg (Harz) ist der gesamte historische Ortskern aus über 500 Jahren Fachwerkbau erhalten."

A beautifull gem is the townhall of the german city of Ulm. Altough it was hit during a bombing raid, only the interior was destroyed. luckily the astronomical clock and the walls with its seccopaintings left mostly untouched.


http://www.allgaeu-bilder.de/gallery...images/036.jpg

Showing the different european trading partners of Ulm in the middel ages. Like Frankfurt, Würzburg, Basel, Zürich, Marseille, France, England and even Turkey

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...er_Rathaus.jpg

Wonderfull, istn't it?

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Old April 7th, 2013, 07:48 PM   #310
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I am well aware of the bombing of Mainz, Trier, Münster etc. My aim was to highlight the fact that even German cities that have been bombed during ww2 should be included in the list. For example, most of Mainz was destroyed but several parts of the old town were preserved or have been rebuilt? More Info and pics at stadtbild-deutschland.org/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=3995

Freiburg is a similar example.
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Old April 7th, 2013, 11:36 PM   #311
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I was in Wroclaw (Breslau) two yeard ago and the old town is magnificant. The city does not appear to be a typical "bomb-town" (I have visited 30-35 german cities). The main sqaure hav been rebuidt twice, once in the 70's with modern concrete, and later rebulid in original style. Well done Poles!

Wroclaw in 2012

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What did you mean by "bomb town"?

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I was in Wroclaw (Breslau) two yeard ago and the old town is magnificant. The city does not appear to be a typical "bomb-town" (I have visited 30-35 german cities). The main sqaure hav been rebuidt twice, once in the 70's with modern concrete, and later rebulid in original style.
The old town was much bigger than you seem to think. The four-lane highway that surrounds the "old town" for example doesn't follow the former town wall but the so called "Ohlen", once the most picturesque part of the old town. Then:



Now:




Almost everything to the East of the main square was destroyed in WW2 and afterwards by the Commies. Then:



Now:




And the main square wasn't rebuilt twice. The square was "only" partly destroyed and rebuilt during Commie times. It was one of the main propaganda efforts of the Commies:




I guess approximately 1/3 of the old town are preserved.
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In Wrocław the central and western part of the Old Town were reconstructed in 1948-56. After that, the style in the architecture was changed completely: the socialist realism was denounced and the era of modernism marked its beginning. As the result, the eastern part (especially Nowy Targ) were rebuilt in 1960. in very modern style, and with poor quality.

Unfortunately these commieblocks are occupied, so their dismantling and reconstruction of the old houses seem unlikely. Pity.
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The huge "Germany THEN AND NOW" comparison thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1198601

Germany at the end of the 19th century / before WWII (historical photos)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=196145
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Braunschweig/Brunswick
probably the city with the biggest number of half-timbered houses in Europe before WW2... burned like tinder.







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The "Kaufhaus" is a really big spoiler.
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Braunschweig/Brunswick
probably the city with the biggest number of half-timbered houses in Europe before WW2... burned like tinder.

You can see old Braunschweig (and also Breslau and glimses Konigsberg) in colour in the original Munchausen movie from 1944.
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If the destiny of eastern german town was unfortunate (they were taken into battles and vandalism) for Konigsberg was much more worse. Polish people tried to restore at least because these cities had played some role in his history, but Konigsberg was simply deleted by starting from her name. I can't stand the sight of the dreadful monster who taken the place of the wonderful schloss.
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A town that was bombed during ww2 and is mosly rebuildt in 50's style, eg Hannover, Cologne etc.
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If the destiny of eastern german town was unfortunate (they were taken into battles and vandalism) for Konigsberg was much more worse. Polish people tried to restore at least because these cities had played some role in his history, but Konigsberg was simply deleted by starting from her name. I can't stand the sight of the dreadful monster who taken the place of the wonderful schloss.
I agree to that. Seeing the results in Gdansk and Wroclaw one could almost say that the Poles were better at restoring German* towns than the Germans themselves. Considering the more limited recourses the Poles had, I find it very facinating. I read somewhere about a town called Rotheburg (or something similar) who did an almost 100% restoration of their town after the war.

* German meaning beloning to Germany during the war
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