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Old June 14th, 2013, 11:28 PM   #421
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Indeed Grudziądz was nicely rebuilt .
I do suspect that buildings on these pics are original (and weren't destroyed, maybe merely damaged)
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Old June 15th, 2013, 09:32 PM   #422
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So were you exagerating as to how severely it was damaged?
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Old June 16th, 2013, 03:36 PM   #423
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So were you exagerating as to how severely it was damaged?
I don't have grounds to doubt in this 60 per cent destruction of Grudziądz. However, what was presented on these pics, were not reconstructions. It was a principle not to reconstruct fully destroyed rent houses from late 19th, early 20th century.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 11:26 PM   #424
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Mruczek post 418:
Wilno / Vilnius had suffered serious damage during the fighting in July 1944: Some streets in the Old Town around Vokieciju (German) ant Didzioji (Big) Street were destroyed. Some claim that almost half of the city was damaged. Fortunately you can hardly recognize the damage anymore. The Lithuanians have restored large parts of the old town in the past 15 years.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 11:54 PM   #425
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Wilno / Vilnius had suffered serious damage during the fighting in July 1944: Some streets in the Old Town around Vokieciju (German) ant Didzioji (Big) Street were destroyed. Some claim that almost half of the city was damaged. Fortunately you can hardly recognize the damage anymore. The Lithuanians have restored large parts of the old town in the past 15 years.
Thank you, I've already updated the post.

It seems to me that the Lithuanians did great job in reconstruction and it was even earlier than 15 years ago. I was in Vilnius 15 years ago and remember that it looked a little bit rusty, but not destroyed.
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Old June 18th, 2013, 10:02 PM   #426
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Saarbrücken - Germany




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Old June 20th, 2013, 04:34 AM   #427
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warsaw


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Old June 26th, 2013, 04:21 PM   #428
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Danzig/Gdansk - The greatest loss of WWII


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Old June 27th, 2013, 10:08 AM   #429
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What a lost heritage...
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Old July 14th, 2013, 02:15 PM   #430
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Many of the major cities like Berlin and Warsaw were starting to get ugly looking even before the war with the Bauhaus stuff.



Berlin 1936

I prefer 18th century Berlin

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Old July 14th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #431
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I'm really not a fan of a lot of 20th century architecture, though I do like Art Nouveau and Jugendstil architecture from the early 20th century.
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Yeahh, I don't get your statement that Bauhaus or other interwar styles were ugly. My favourite one are art nouveau and modernism which was very brave, distinctive and functional from the previous one.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 04:33 PM   #433
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Many of the major cities like Berlin and Warsaw were starting to get ugly looking even before the war with the Bauhaus stuff.
As if they predicted what'd happen in 1939-45

Some might dislike modernist buildings but one has to admit that they're extremely tough, durable, fire-resistant and so on.
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LIVORNO-Tuscany, Italy. One of the most important trading sea port in Italy
(80% of the city destroyed by bombs)
population before the war 125.000


Hi guys, can I introduce an italian city, always overlooked and quite unknown that was a renaissance and baroque jewel before the war and was almost completely destroyed by allied bombings? Here it is the port city of LIVORNO, Tuscany...






the Synagogue, the biggest in Europe. Livorno was the only european city that did not have any jewish ghetto, due to the fact that when the city was founded, in order to be populated, the Medici Duke encouraged all sort of "undesired" people to establish in the city, giving them permission to live and trade there undisturbed. Livorno, during the 16th and 17th century was seen as a kind of "America"


after the destruction


here is the city now...



the new synagogue



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How do you know that Livorno Synagogue was the biggest? Also, none Lithuania cities had ghettos (obviously until nazis came). Before World War II there were over 110 synagogues and Vilnius alone and Jewish population in Lithuania was around 200000. And all that was destroyed. So why is Livorno special?
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That's true, ghettoization of Jews was not the norm in Poland or Lithuania, as early as King Casimir who in 1334 confirmed the privileges granted to Jewish Poles in 1264 by Bolesław V the Chaste and went further so that under penalty of death, he prohibited the kidnapping of Jewish children for the purpose of enforced Christian baptism and inflicted heavy punishment for the desecration of Jewish cemeteries. He also allowed them to settle in Poland in great numbers and protected them as "people of the king."
Sadly, despite this history has not been kind overall to the Jews in this region.
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Wow Livorno was wonderful

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How do you know that Livorno Synagogue was the biggest? Also, none Lithuania cities had ghettos (obviously until nazis came). Before World War II there were over 110 synagogues and Vilnius alone and Jewish population in Lithuania was around 200000. And all that was destroyed. So why is Livorno special?
Livorno was special for many reasons, at least compared to the situation in southern Europe, generally, around the time the city was founded. And I mean situation in terms of persecution of minorities (especially religious minorities) during the 16th century. The city was called "Libera città delle Nazioni" (Free city of the Nations) because it gave a safe home to all sort of religious groups at that time: greek orthodox, armenians, protestants and jews whose churches and temples can still be seen in the city, mainly rebuilt after the war. Especially the Sefardit Jews who flocked in the city after being expelled from Spain, formed a big comunity there. That, as I explained, was possible because the "Livornine Laws", in order to populate the new founded city, gave lots of protections (economical and social) to whoever wanted to go and live in the city. Being an Italian city, so in the heart of the Catholicism (even if it was not under direct control of the Pope), that is quite remarkable. The Jews alone were around 5000, in a small city of about 30.000 inhabitants...
About the Synagogue, I reported what can be read in the Italian Jewish sites, but apart from the size, it was anyway considered to be one of the most beautiful and lavishly rich in Europe. My aim here was to focus on a relatively unknown city and story, even in Italy. I'm not trying to make comparisons or competitions
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I know that the thread is mainly about cities lost during WWII, and these destructions were at their most devastating in Germany, Poland, Normandy and England. Still Italy suffered some serious damage, in some cases great artistic losses even in the major art cities as Florence, Padua, Verona, Naples, Palermo, Milan and many other cities or monument (like Livorno, as I showed you in my previous post). Here are some pics of the destructions occurred in some of the most famous italian cities or sites:
FLORENCE:
complete destruction of the historical bridges of the city, with the exception of the famous Ponte Vecchio. In order to spare that bridge the nazis blew up the inner core of the city on each end of the bridge, thus destroying forever some of the most beautiful medieval palaces and towers of Florence.



BEFORE the WAR:

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Ok this is not properly a city, but a great loss indeed because of WWII...MONTECASSINO Abbey, near Rome.
The famous Abbey was not only an architectural gem of Medieval, Renessaince and Baroque art. It was also of symbolic importance being the very place that in the Early Middle Age helped translate and copy all the famous greek and latin manuscript, so preserving them from destruction. The allied thought the nazis were hiding in the abbey and destroyed it in 1944. The monument has been faithfully reconstructed, but missing all the paintings and frescoes that once decorared the walls. The precious codes and books were luckily saved.



as it was before the war:


now, reconstructed:


the abbey church as it was:


and as it is:
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