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Old November 11th, 2014, 06:23 PM   #481
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Intramuros (Manila, Philippines)
Pre-war population: 450, 000 (Intramuros + Extramuros)

Pre-war (1930)


Legislative Building at the bottom
Intramuros at the center


Intramuros at the bottom left of the photo


1945
INTRAMUROS AT THE CENTER. ALMOST COMPLETELY PULVERIZED


POST OFFICE BUILDING (Intramuros at the right side of the photo)


The Manila of our grandparents and ancestors’ affections was no more. After the war, it was said that more than 100,000 civilians, men, women, priests, nuns, babies, infants, mentally challenged, street urchins, were violently and mercilessly killed and violated. After the bombings, when all was left in dust, when the city was literally up in smoke, the Americans decided to BULLDOZE almost whatever was left in the city (Intramuros).

1950's

Population: 2, 000, 000 (1946)


Suddenly, Manila’s residents rid themselves of the bitter memories of Manila, moving away from it and settling in Cubao, New Manila, Quezon Avenue, Makati, Pasay, and San Juan. The provincianos started coming into Manila, scavenging through the waste and setting up various squatter areas. Intramuros, being totally devastated, but also strategically close to the pier, became a huge squatters’ colony, with the poor occupying what used to be former mansions, hospitals and universities. Tondo, where the first kingdom of Manila was believed to have been found, became infamously crowded and turned into a slum.

Though there are efforts, one thing we as a people should never forget would be the immense suffering and abuse our beloved capital endured in the hands of not the Spaniards (as we often blame everything to their regime!) but actually, in the hands of Americans and Japanese.

We must never forget that in one month, they wiped away our tangible and intangible dreams and hopes for a developed Philippines. We must never forget the dead of Manila, we must never forget Manila!


Content from: Liberation that destroyed: The End of MANILA, Queen of the Pacific
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Old January 12th, 2015, 01:56 PM   #482
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KOLBERG/KOŁOBRZEG 80% destroyed, including Old Town... only 5-10% of buildings you see have been rebuilt or transformed....

Before the war






AFTER THE WAR... (Note the ash in the first image)


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Old February 4th, 2015, 12:37 AM   #483
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The "Kaufhaus" is a really big spoiler.
So are the other houses. Why on earth didn't they rebuild at least 4-5 houses opposite the town hall in Munich. If Munich recreated around 15-20 houses in the city in the right places it would be great again.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 04:54 PM   #484
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Schirwindt-East Prussia/Kaliningrad oblast'

Completely destroyed and never rebuilt

Then:













Now:

https://www.google.com/maps?q=Rusija...s,+Rusija&z=17
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Old February 5th, 2015, 02:46 AM   #485
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The most eastern of German cities. And one of the first to fall victim to the barbarism of the Russian onslaught. The Russian strategy was kill and destroy everything in sight.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 03:03 AM   #486
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The most eastern of German cities. And one of the first to fall victim to the barbarism of the Russian onslaught. The Russian strategy was kill and destroy everything in sight.
I think you should shut your mouth. The Nazis attacked us first and held a huge city surrounded by not letting people get food. They organized mass genocide, torture camps organized. Nothing like the USSR did. With regard to destruction, just compare Berlin, which frees us and Frankfurt which frees you and see who barbarian. Moreover, we must not forget how you have managed to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Such barbarism any Russian man had not occurred.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 05:28 AM   #487
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I think you should shut your mouth. The Nazis attacked us first and held a huge city surrounded by not letting people get food. They organized mass genocide, torture camps organized. Nothing like the USSR did. With regard to destruction, just compare Berlin, which frees us and Frankfurt which frees you and see who barbarian. Moreover, we must not forget how you have managed to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Such barbarism any Russian man had not occurred.
Must be that communist propaganda in the school system.

Of course, the nazis wreaked barbaric havoc, but to suggest the Russians were playing nice nice and were innocent of barbarism is simply incorrect. As Ehrenburg, encouraged by Stalin, wrote and often quoted:

"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn is anything but evil! Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin. Stamp out the fascist beast once and for all in it liar! Use force and break the racial pride of these German women. Take them as your lawful booty. Kill! As you storm onward, kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army."

Not sure what point Hiroshima and Nagasaki add to your defense of invading Russian forces.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 05:47 AM   #488
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Perhaps it's worth to mention that Soviet Union started this war together with nazi Germany in 1939?
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Old February 5th, 2015, 05:58 AM   #489
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Good point. And the Soviets were way ahead of the Nazis when it comes to concentration camps and pogroms against jews, as we know.
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If it wasn't for the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement which gave Nazis a total free reign to do what they wanted with Poland, there would not have been a Holocaust most likely - at least 6 million people were murdered in occupied Poland alone as a result of this. The Red Army didn't help their Polish brothers, instead they stood and watched as per Stalin's orders as the ancient capital of Warsaw was destroyed and 800,000 murdered.

I do agree though the Nazis did betray Stalin and they did cause immense suffering to the Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian peoples when they invaded, a horrible tragedy no one could deny. If it wasn't for Stalin's brilliant generals the Nazis would have won, because Stalin didn't believe the Nazis would invade up until the last minute.

In any case, both the German and Russian people are great people but they had terrible leaders at this time that used fear to stamp out criticism and jail dissenting voices, much like what is happening in Russia now.
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Warsaw Post-War Reconstruction to Present

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Old February 6th, 2015, 10:27 PM   #491
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Good point. And the Soviets were way ahead of the Nazis when it comes to concentration camps and pogroms against jews, as we know.
I love this "you are worse than us" Nazi-lovers vs. Commie-lovers contest
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Old February 7th, 2015, 01:45 AM   #492
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Once again, you're having trouble understanding.

More simply, the point is that the two sources of true evil in pre, during, and post WWII are just about equal in horrific undertakings. However, since Russia enjoyed the role of victor, its equal stature is often viewed with rose colored glasses.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 03:27 PM   #493
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Wasn't Warsaw rebuilt and is now a UNESCO world heritage site? So it isnt lost. Germany had the chance to built more beautiful cities after the destruction like Hausmanian in Paris. But it was a time of bad architecture taste.
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Or maybe people needed to live somewhere and there was no time for architectural beauty . Also, there where a lot of refugees from lost territories, where Germans where expelled from.
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Poland did it well. Even today with the dom römer project in Frankfurt they don't take the chance and built around 15 new plain boring buildings next to the reconstruction. For me many cities like Frankfurt or Nuremberg arent a real lost. There are enough medievil cities and I think this suits small towns better. Hausmann got rid of medievil Paris and built the most beautiful city in the world. Seems that some people want all European cities should look like they are stuck in the middle ages.
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Wasn't Warsaw rebuilt and is now a UNESCO world heritage site? So it isnt lost.
You haven't done your homework.
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well true warsaw isn't lost, but it isn't the same, the human and cultural lost in the end is the greatest tragedy, can never bring back a life like a building.
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Or maybe people needed to live somewhere and there was no time for architectural beauty . Also, there where a lot of refugees from lost territories, where Germans where expelled from.
That + strong group of modernist architects in Germany (often very talented and renowned) + strong feeling of "moral righteousness" of modernists (after all, Bauhaus was cursed in Nazi Germany and resurrected in post-war Germany) + some sort of moral remorse which caused Germans not to underline their tradition + large rationalisation of post-war reconstruction.

On the other hand, throughout those 50-60 yrs at least German economy was rebuild to the point of excellency, so there is possibility to do reconstructions now
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Poland did it well.
No, it didn't*. And you can't compare the propaganda project of a Commie regime to the completely different circumstances in a democracy.

*the reconstructed old town of Warsaw and Gdansk, and to a lesser degree Wroclaw, are just one side of the coin. The other side are destroyed towns, mostly former German ones, who had to provide building materials for Warsaw for example. Entire museums and churches were emtied for this project. And what about Legnica or Jelenia Gora, preserved historic towns who survived WW2 and where destroyed in the 60s? Legnica was the biggest example of the Friderician (i.e. Prussian) Baroque in Europe.

No, sorry, that's all just a big myth. If you want to follow the example of Commie Poland raze half of Büdingen and Rothenburg for Frankfurt, empty the museums of Mainz, reconstruct only the 100% German heritage... and get rid of what you don't like, like Jewish cemeteries.
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*the reconstructed old town of Warsaw and Gdansk, and to a lesser degree Wroclaw, are just one side of the coin. The other side are destroyed towns, mostly former German ones (...)
Ever heard about World War II?

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(...) who had to provide building materials for Warsaw for example. (...)
Brick was taken mostly from destroyed or damaged buildings. Although it would be certainly better to reconstruct them in-situ, it cannot be compared with relatively rare examples of wanton vandalism (such as Legnica Old Town).

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Entire museums and churches were emtied for this project.
That's another thing. And although lots of Silesian art pieces should be returned to Silesia it doesn't change the fact that moving art pieces from one church to other is hardly comparable to vandalism.

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And what about Legnica or Jelenia Gora, preserved historic towns who survived WW2 and where destroyed in the 60s?
Legnica is indeed the best known example of premeditated destruction of large part of old town fabric. But also the only one done is such a large scale.

Jelenia Góra is completely different example, where old buildings were assessed as not fit for repair and as the result dismantled and reconstructed anew.

At the same time you are missing the two most important reasons for terrible state of historical monuments in Poland: firstly, the appalling management of residential houses, quite typical for Communist rejection of private ownership (especially of the large rent-houses), secondly, the modenist obsession with "city revitalistation" defined as widening streets, forcing more cars into the central areas and so on.
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