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Old January 24th, 2013, 06:18 PM   #61
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EvanG: hit 50 times? Not by a V1 or V2 I suppose, because then it would not survive.

50.000 buildings damaged is a lot. Mostly it can be reapaired if the will is there, the money, techniques. material and manpower.
Compare this to Berlin with 225.000 buildings of which 2/3 was damaged or destroyed: 150.000 and the destruction of Antwerp (50.000) was not so small compared to the number of inhabitants: 4.3 million against say 800.000? If looking so against stats Antwerp was even more damaged than Berlin (relatively spoken).

In Germany one could see straight after the devastation that some municipal buildings were quickly repaired: mostly the roofs first then holes in the outer walls aso It looked then if they kept on like in the first 3 years almost all could have been rebuilt, but then the new planners and modernists had theit say and it all went "wrong".

In 1948 already cities like Essen were full of lights, most obvious damage repaired (all windows and roofs were intacty again) and lots of cars in the streets. People were shopping in an American way. Germany became Americanized with all its benefits and drawbacks for the original Architecture, which was not attractive anymore in the eyes of its own people. 20 million Germans were repulsed from the Eastern provinces of the former Reich and most cities grew in an alarming rate. Berlin however remained a kind of transit station for milllions of Europeans searching for a new live. Many Berliners, which felt not home in the mountains of rubble and dark ruinous streets went to the USA.

For a city like Wroclaw the improvements only started in the 21st century, 60 years later, when Poland became finally a wealthy state within the EEC.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 07:37 PM   #62
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Oh my god, Manilia and Kiew must have been amazing. So sad
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Old January 25th, 2013, 03:13 AM   #63
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EvanG: hit 50 times? Not by a V1 or V2 I suppose, because then it would not survive.

50.000 buildings damaged is a lot. Mostly it can be reapaired if the will is there, the money, techniques. material and manpower.
Compare this to Berlin with 225.000 buildings of which 2/3 was damaged or destroyed: 150.000 and the destruction of Antwerp (50.000) was not so small compared to the number of inhabitants: 4.3 million against say 800.000? If looking so against stats Antwerp was even more damaged than Berlin (relatively spoken).
400 V1 bombs and more than 1700 v2 rockets were targeted at Antwerp, but not all hit the city centre (106 and 107 respectivelly). To start with, not all launched bombs teached the city. Also, a large share of the attacks hit the surrounding suburbs and (rather densely populated) countryside and the industrial harbour. More than 3700 people were killed and 6000 were injured.

Source: http://www.v2rocket.com/start/chapters/antwerp.html
The map in the link is quite famous over here. It clearly shows that the V-bombs (especially the V2 rocket) were still experimental and not very accurate. Luckily, the Germans didn't have time to improve them, though they still caused much terror.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 11:06 PM   #64
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Could you poste som images of pre-war Belgrade?












And if you are interested you can find much more here :


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Old January 26th, 2013, 12:01 AM   #65
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Old January 27th, 2013, 06:16 PM   #66
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Time for another great port-city lost during WWII

Free and Hanseatic city of Hamburg - Germany (Entire historic city centre destroyed due to allied bombings)
Pre-war population: 1 700 000



The history the Hamburg begins with its foundation in the 9th century as a mission settlement to convert the Saxons. Since the Middle Ages Hamburg was an important trading centre in Europe. The convenient location of the port and its independence as a city and state for centuries strengthened this position.

The city was member in the medieval Hanseatic trading league and a free imperial city of the Holy Roman Empire. From 1815 until 1866 Hamburg was an independent and sovereign state of the German Confederation, then the North German Confederation (1866–71), the German Empire (1871–1918) and during the period of the Weimar Republic (1918–33). In Nazi Germany Hamburg was a city-state and a Gau from 1934 until 1945. After the Second World War Hamburg was in the British Zone of Occupation and became a state in the western part of Germany in the Federal Republic of Germany (Since 1949).



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http://www.bilderbuch-hamburg.de/bil...8x1304xin.jpeg


http://www.hamburger-untergrundbahn.de/met-hh-bl-f2.jpg
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Old January 28th, 2013, 12:10 AM   #67
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Kharkiv - Ukraine (70 percent of the city destroyed during the four battles that took place in the city (1941,1942,1943,1943))
Pre-war population: 900 000



The city was founded in 1654 and was a major centre of Ukrainian culture in the Russian Empire. Kharkiv became the first city in Ukraine to acknowledge the Soviet power in December 1917 and becoming later the capital of Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Kharkiv remained the capital of the Ukrainian SSR until 1934, when it was moved to Kiev.

During World War II, Kharkiv was the site of several military engagements. The city was captured and recaptured by Nazi Germany on 24 October 1941; there was a disastrous Red Army offensive that failed to capture the city in May 1942; the city was successfully retaken by the Soviets on 16 February 1943, captured for a second time by the Germans on 15 March 1943 and then finally liberated on 23 August 1943. Seventy percent of the city was destroyed and tens of thousands of the inhabitants were killed. Kharkiv, the third largest city in the Soviet Union, was the most populous city in the Soviet Union captured by the Germans, since in the years preceding World War II, Kiev was by population the smaller of the two.









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Old January 28th, 2013, 01:12 AM   #68
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The world was more beautiful back then...
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The world was more beautiful back then...
I digress. Tat' was much worse times then today.
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Old January 28th, 2013, 05:25 AM   #71
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I like this style of architecture. Does anyone know the name of it - especially the building on the right?
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Old January 28th, 2013, 09:53 AM   #72
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Baroque. This kind of pediment is typical for German houses of this time.
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German baroque is the most beautiful architecture the world has ever seen
and there is not one day that goes by that I don´t grieve what those
countless of allied bombs did to all of those stunningly beautiful
cities and the millions of civilians living there...
What was the point of such enormous destruction?!
It was like using ten or more atomic bombs over the country!
The men behind these atrocities were no better than the nazis.
May they rot in hell!
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Old January 28th, 2013, 12:59 PM   #74
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Nurnberg - The ultimate medieval city in pre-war Germany Entire historic core destroyed during WWII
Pre-war population: 420 000



Nuremberg a nearly 1000 years old city
On 16 July, 1050, the freeing of a serf by the name of Sigena was documented in "Norenberc". This date of the first written mention of Nuremberg is assumed to be the day of the foundation of the city. In the Middle Ages, Nuremberg was appointed the place where each newly elected German king had to hold his first diet, and where the crown jewels of the empire were kept.

The city, dominated by the leading trading and merchant families, had its economic and cultural heyday in the late 15th and early 16th century. World-famous artists such as Albrecht Dürer and Veit Stoß, humanists such as Willibald Pirckheimer and scientists such as the astronomer Johannes Regiomontanus lived and worked in this city.

In the 19th century, Nuremberg entrepreneurial spirit triggered off a new rise in the city's fortunes: the first German railway between Nuremberg and Fürth in 1835 became a symbol for this Bavarian industrial centre.

In the 20th century, the National Socialists abused the city for their purposes. Adolf Hitler made Nuremberg "City of the Party Rallies", and it was here that the atrocious racial laws were adopted, and the main war criminals of the Nazi regime of terror were tried by the International Military Tribunal in the "Nuremberg Trials".

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German baroque is the most beautiful architecture the world has ever seen
and there is not one day that goes by that I don´t grieve what those
countless of allied bombs did to all of those stunningly beautiful
cities and the millions of civilians living there...
What was the point of such enormous destruction?!
It was like using ten or more atomic bombs over the country!
The men behind these atrocities were no better than the nazis.
May they rot in hell!
I agree that the bombing of those cities was a crime and did not help end the war.....

But you are saying that the British and the Americans are the same as Nazis. That is false. I will ignore your posts from now on.
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Poznań - One of the oldest cities in Poland (50 percent of the city destroyed during "Festung Posen", including 90 percent of the old town district)
Pre-war population: 274 155



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Poznań, today Poland's fifth largest city, is also one of the country's oldest cities, and was an important political and religious center in the early Polish state of the 10th century. Poznań Cathedral is the oldest church in the country, containing the tombs of the first Polish rulers,

Duke Mieszko I and King Bolesław I Chrobry.
Although the centre of national political power moved to Kraków in the 11th century, and later to Warsaw, Poznań remained an important regional center, being the chief city of the Greater Poland (Wielkopolska) region. It came under Prussian (later German) rule for most of the period from 1793 to 1918, during which it expanded significantly, and was also heavily fortified (as Festung Posen).

The city resumed its role as a Polish voivodeship capital in the Second Polish Republic, and later, following the 1939–1945 Nazi occupation, in the communist Polish People's Republic. Since 1999 Poznań has been the capital of Greater Poland Voivodeship.









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German baroque is the most beautiful architecture the world has ever seen
and there is not one day that goes by that I don´t grieve what those
countless of allied bombs did to all of those stunningly beautiful
cities and the millions of civilians living there...
What was the point of such enormous destruction?! It was like using ten or more atomic bombs over the country!
The men behind these atrocities were no better than the nazis.
May they rot in hell!
Anger, revenge, Germanophobia, determination to never see a "competitive" Germany any time soon that could challenge Britain, France, and the U.S., and political need to completely destroy the national socialist regime. It cannot be said the allies were "no better" than the nazis, but it can be said that there are few limits on the amount of insanity that insanity causes.

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Tha case of Budapest is a little bit different than the other cities of Europe. The city wasn't destroyed by bombings, except industrial zones, but in the siege of Budapest.
All the five bridges of the Danube and 80% percent of the buildings were desytroyed or damaged, especially the castle district of Buda. After the war 55-65% of the buildings were partly reconstructed, for example the facades or the roofs weren't fully reconstructed, but they've saved what they could. Anyway here are some photos before the battles, all from fortepan.hu, where you can find a huge amount of photos like these, right before and after the war aswell.









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There should be no German, Italian and Japanese cities on here. They started the war; their cities deserved to be bombed...and future aggressor nations like North Korea and Iran would be well advised to remember the images of the German & Japanese cities.
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Looks great! I didn't know that Poznań had such a great waterfront. Anybody knows how this place looks now?
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