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Old January 29th, 2013, 12:28 AM   #81
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There should be no German, Italian and Japanese cities on here. They started the war; their cities deserved to be bombed...and future aggressor nations like North Korea and Iran would be well advised to remember the images of the German & Japanese cities.
Omg, that is SO wrong!
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Old January 29th, 2013, 05:17 AM   #82
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Which was generally considered the most beautiful European large city pre-war?
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Old January 29th, 2013, 05:20 AM   #83
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Old January 29th, 2013, 12:45 PM   #84
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For me - Frankfurt and Coventry, maybe Nuremberg
Why? Because they had a lot of pre-baroque buildings, even whole streets of medieval houses. This is vary rare in today's big cities.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 12:56 PM   #85
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There should be no German, Italian and Japanese cities on here. They started the war; their cities deserved to be bombed...and future aggressor nations like North Korea and Iran would be well advised to remember the images of the German & Japanese cities.
Man! That's disgusting.

Show more respect to those who lost their lives! Mainly civilians have been killed in those air assaults. Nobody deserves to be eradicated.

I hope one day you'll understand the difference between warfare and war crime.
It's not too late though...
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Old January 29th, 2013, 05:36 PM   #86
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Dresden - The cultural capital of Germany (Entire city destroyed in the firestorms during the bombing of Dresden in 1945)
Pre-war population: 600 000



Founded on the site of a Slavonic fishing village as a merchants' settlement and the seat of the local rulers, Dresden was from the 15th century onwards residence of the Saxon dukes, electoral princes and later kings.

When Elector Friedrich August I (Augustus the Strong) acquired the Polish crown in 1697, Dresden advanced further to become a capital of European rank. The face of the city also changed dramatically.

Dresden became a city of Baroque. The royal court and the nobility commissioned extensive building work and encouraged exceptional artistic and craft-art achievements. Pöppelmann built the Zwinger and Taschenbergpalais in 1711, the Japanese Palais in 1715 and the summer palace in Pillnitz in 1721. The Frauenkirche was completed in 1734, the cathedral in 1755.

The magnificent collections of the Picture Gallery and the Green Vault were established, and the first European porcelain manufactory, which was later to move to Meissen, was founded.

The city has experienced both splendid eras and times of tragedy. It was above all during the 18th century a magnificent centre of European politics, culture and economic development, only to become a synonym for apocalyptic destruction just two centuries later.

http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewik...usturm1910.jpg


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Old January 29th, 2013, 05:53 PM   #87
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Oh man!!!
How disgusting mankind can be! Not the Germans started the war, it was Hitler and the Nazis. Of course, the Germans didn't do enough against the Nazis, but this doesn't mean that our cities deserved it to be erradicated by bombing them!!!!
Yeah, Dresden is definitely one of those cities, but there are so many others that were maybe less spectacular but are a great loss nevertheless.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 05:54 PM   #88
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Nanjing, then capital of China. Hardly any photos exist from the period as China was already deep in civil war for years when Japan invaded. Over 5,000 bombing raids were launched on China's main cities.










Nanjing was bombed mercilessly, followed by street fighting, then 300,000 civilians butchered in a tragedy that even shocked Japanese high command.

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Old January 29th, 2013, 06:03 PM   #89
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Chongqing, China's wartime capital, bombed for 6 months

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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:59 PM   #90
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Most tragic city losses

I dare to put down 2: Berlin & Dresden as the greatest architectural loss of WW2. Berlin: the loss of at least 100.000 great buildings (out of 225.000). Dresden at least 50.000 great buildings.
Especially because they were magnificent compositions of architecture and also because their loss is so immense that not even 5% can be ever be reconstructed if all will and money was there. So 95% remains destroyed forever.

Others may add their choices.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 11:54 PM   #91
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If you put it into figures.

60% of ALL BUILDINGS in London were destroyed or damaged.
What a load of crap. London was not that badly damaged. Much of what is gone today was demolished after the war as part of the modernization of the city. The Luftwaffe mostly targeted the docks, the East End and The City (30% of all buildings destroyed). The western parts of the city were pretty intact in 1945, even in the East End the damage wasn't catastrophic.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:48 AM   #92
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What a load of crap. London was not that badly damaged. Much of what is gone today was demolished after the war as part of the modernization of the city. The Luftwaffe mostly targeted the docks, the East End and The City (30% of all buildings destroyed). The western parts of the city were pretty intact in 1945, even in the East End the damage wasn't catastrophic.
Right.
The decades-old cult of exaggeration regarding the damage to London is a means to rationalize/justify the Allies' terror bombing campaign that was both unnecessary to beat the Nazis and criminal in its focus on civilian populations.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 07:15 AM   #93
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How much of Milan's historic center was destroyed? There are a lot of modern buildings in The old center. Is that due to war damage?

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Is it true they bombed Dresden in retaliation for Coventry?
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Old January 30th, 2013, 08:03 AM   #95
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Right.
The decades-old cult of exaggeration regarding the damage to London is a means to rationalize/justify the Allies' terror bombing campaign that was both unnecessary to beat the Nazis and criminal in its focus on civilian populations.
It is possible to be so concerned about being fair minded that you forget who started the war and waged it - with the intent of enslaving Europe and destroying entire nations and populations, as the Japanese did in Asia. The Germans and Japanese unleashed evil and sadism that had no precedent.

I fully agree that the bombing of German cities was a crime. Bomber Harris was a madman. It should never have happened and the loss of life and treasures of the past was and is horrifying. It did nothing to end the war.

But we can't say this without also saying that the world would be a living hell if the Germans and the Japanese had won.

We have to respect and grieve all of the people who died - INCLUDING LONDONERS and all the people in Britain who were killed. If we lose the respect for indviduals we will become the fascists of the 1930s and 40s.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 08:33 AM   #96
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Parts of Barcelona were lost in the Spanish civil war when for about the first time in history a city was carpet bombed. Not WWII ofcourse but it was part of the build up to WWII with the Italian army doing some target practice on civilians But the devastating effect of the Francoist major in the subsequent post war-time was even more devastating.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 10:42 AM   #97
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Not the Germans started the war, it was Hitler and the Nazis.
What you're writing here is not only disgusting, but kind of insolence. Show me where's country "Naziland" if it wasn't Germany then. And most important - start to learn about history. For you - Germans started the war and killed tens of millions of innocent people.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:45 PM   #98
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I did never want to imply that the Germans were without guilt, even though those born after 1935 cannot really be called guilty. And don't you think we are punished enough with the memory of what our grandparents and greatgrandparents allowed to happen? I mean, we have sort of learnt from it and such things will never happen again. Of course the people could have resisted, but look at what happened to Stauffenberg and Hitler did never really win an election, it was at last a conduction of bad circumstances. And don't talk back on that, as we're doing that in history class at the moment(after 8 years of german history class you do feel guilty for even beeing born here). And brits that always talk about blitzing the fritz and bombing the krauts are no help either.
Thus it's injust to say that german cities are no loss for the architectural world.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:50 PM   #99
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Is it true they bombed Dresden in retaliation for Coventry?
Nope. The Baedeker-bombings, including Conventry, were the answer to the bombardment of Lübeck.
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Those images from China are amazing, in a bad sense.

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Nope. The Baedeker-bombings, including Conventry, were the answer to the bombardment of Lübeck.
And was Lubeck bombed in retaliation for the bombardment of an English city?
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