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Old February 1st, 2013, 09:24 PM   #141
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Quite impressive those German boulevards in Breslau (Berlin, Stettin and Magdeburg).

How does this street looks today??
Generally reconstruction efforts were greater in Poland than in the cities that remained in Germany, but unfortunately Hohenzollernstrasse wasn't lucky and is a living remainder for Germans not to start another war. Every time I'm in Wrocław I'm shocked by the view of cobbled streets in the middle of commie blocks districts.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 10:56 PM   #142
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What you're writing here is not only disgusting, but kind of insolence. Show me where's country "Naziland" if it wasn't Germany then. And most important - start to learn about history. For you - Germans started the war and killed tens of millions of innocent people.
Some Germans like to pick and choose which historical details they remember.

On a sidenote, unfortunately, western media like to bunch in Poles with German Nazi's and that they were working "together" to get rid of Jews. This is how simplistic some media can be in the west. And then people read that stuff and believe it. Fight the ignorance.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 10:59 PM   #143
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I did never want to imply that the Germans were without guilt, even though those born after 1935 cannot really be called guilty. And don't you think we are punished enough with the memory of what our grandparents and greatgrandparents allowed to happen? I mean, we have sort of learnt from it and such things will never happen again. Of course the people could have resisted, but look at what happened to Stauffenberg and Hitler did never really win an election, it was at last a conduction of bad circumstances. And don't talk back on that, as we're doing that in history class at the moment(after 8 years of german history class you do feel guilty for even beeing born here). And brits that always talk about blitzing the fritz and bombing the krauts are no help either.
Thus it's injust to say that german cities are no loss for the architectural world.
I do have to admit that Germany has done a complete turn around. From what I hear it is one of the most liberal nations in Europe and one of the least militaristic.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 11:28 PM   #144
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That Germany and Japan emerged as well as they have is a testament to their own strong persistance and refocus from militaristic policies.
Well they can thank the USA for propping them up and letting them trade, as a result making their countries wealthy. Funny how the two most destructive nations of WWII became second and third in the world for wealth, export and standard of living (this has since changed).

On the flip side, Poles say that Poland lost WWII twice - six year occupation then communism for 45 years. Life's fair
Since the fall of communism, Poland, out of necessity, has had a very cozy relationship with the USA and some in the EU don't like it (let's not even mention Russia). Tough. A strong military relationship and technological transfers will only benefit Poland. They are what West Germany used to be.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 11:48 PM   #145
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So if all germans were nazis, all poles would be thiefs? No, but you seem to like stereotypes and interpreting picking stuff as you like it...




It's a shame that so many beautiful cities were destroyed all over the world just because a short guy with a small mustache led us into a war.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 11:50 PM   #146
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No political discussions on this thread please!
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Old February 1st, 2013, 11:54 PM   #147
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So if all germans were nazis, all poles would be thiefs? No, but you seem to like stereotypes and interpreting picking stuff as you like it...




It's a shame that so many beautiful cities were destroyed all over the world just because a short guy with a small mustache led us into a war.
We're not talking about some weird German stereotypes. We're talking about facts. The facts the vast majority of Germans were nazis or their supporters, millions of Germans were directly connected to crimes against humanity in a war Germany started in an attempt to eliminate entire nations and gain lebensraum on ruins of their cities.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 12:30 AM   #148
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How were they directly connected to "crimes against humanity"? There only exists one document that proves there was such a thing as organizied "crimes against humanity".
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 01:01 AM   #149
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[QUOTE=rychlik;99825410]Well they can thank the USA for propping them up and letting them trade, as a result making their countries wealthy. Funny how the two most destructive nations of WWII became second and third in the world for wealth, export and standard of living (this has since changed).

On the flip side, Poles say that Poland lost WWII twice - six year occupation then communism for 45 years. Life's fair
Since the fall of communism, Poland, out of necessity, has had a very cozy relationship with the USA and some in the EU don't like it (let's not even mention Russia). Tough. A strong military relationship and technological transfers will only benefit Poland. They are what West Germany used to be.[/QUOTE]

Ha. Now who's a victim of the so-called "media" of the west? Obama has a cozier relationship with Putin as evidenced by his side comment last year when he thought he was off-microphone. Not to mention the unraveling of the U.S.-Polish defense system. "Beware the government-media complex" and we've never been more in need of heeding this warning.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 01:14 AM   #150
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Let's please not fall into politics. Let's focus on the subject at hand.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 02:15 AM   #151
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Enough of this discussion, over to making a proper profile of a city we all can agree deserve a better presentation that it has been till now.

London - The capital of the British empire (60 percent of the city destroyed, espacially the historic East end, The city (Old town), Docklands and the area around St.Pauls cathedral was badly hit. Check: http://bombsight.org/#15/51.5050/-0.0900)
Pre-war population: 8 600 000



During World War II, London, as many other British cities, suffered severe damage, being bombed extensively by the Luftwaffe as a part of The Blitz. Prior to the bombing, hundreds of thousands of children in London were evacuated to the countryside to avoid the bombing. Civilians took shelter from the air raids in underground stations.

The heaviest bombing took place during The Blitz between 7 September 1940 and 10 May 1941. During this period, London was subjected to 71 separate raids receiving over 18,000 tonnes of high explosive. One raid in December 1940, which became known as the Second Great Fire of London saw a firestorm engulf much of the City of London and destroy many historic buildings. St Paul's Cathedral however remained unscathed; A photograph showing the Cathedral shrouded in smoke became a famous image of the war.

Having failed to defeat Britain. Hitler turned his attention to the on the Eastern front and regular bombing raids ceased. They began again, but on a smaller scale with the "Little Blitz" in early 1944. Towards the end of the war, during 1944/45 London again came under heavy attack by pilotless V-1 flying bombs and V-2 rockets, which were fired from Nazi occupied Europe. These attacks only came to an end when their launch sites were captured by advancing Allied forces.

London suffered severe damage and heavy casualties, the worst hit part being the Docklands area. By the war's end, just under 30,000 Londoners had been killed by the bombing, and over 50,000 seriously injured,[5] tens of thousands of buildings were destroyed, and hundreds of thousands of people were made homeless.

http://www.lebanontimes.com/wp-conte...39_634x411.jpg










After the Blitz



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Old February 2nd, 2013, 02:37 AM   #152
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I would like to see some Italian cities
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 04:15 AM   #153
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Well they can thank the USA for propping them up and letting them trade, as a result making their countries wealthy. Funny how the two most destructive nations of WWII became second and third in the world for wealth, export and standard of living (this has since changed).

On the flip side, Poles say that Poland lost WWII twice - six year occupation then communism for 45 years. Life's fair
Since the fall of communism, Poland, out of necessity, has had a very cozy relationship with the USA and some in the EU don't like it (let's not even mention Russia). Tough. A strong military relationship and technological transfers will only benefit Poland. They are what West Germany used to be.[/QUOTE]

Ha. Now who's a victim of the so-called "media" of the west? Obama has a cozier relationship with Putin as evidenced by his side comment last year when he thought he was off-microphone. Not to mention the unraveling of the U.S.-Polish defense system. "Beware the government-media complex" and we've never been more in need of heeding this warning.
Obama at the moment is not the best fit for Poland.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 11:31 AM   #154
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Hohenzollernstrasse & Kaiser Allee Breslau

Oslo2022: THX for this very nice picture of prewar Breslau.
In the southwestern part of the city was once a very great round square. Unfortunately just the area where the Soviets assaulted the City. How did the houses look like in this southwestern area?

Does anyone has a detailed street map of prewar Breslau ??
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Great post oslo! I hate being a pedant but the pre-war population of London was 8.6 million not 8.1.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 01:15 PM   #156
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I would like to see some Italian cities
Italian cities were relatively lucky because Italy was not a major front in the last 2 years of war. Most damaged cities were Naples in 1943, Livorno (important manufacturing center and harbour), Turin and Milan.

Historical cities like Rome, Siena, Pisa, Florence, Verona, Venice only saw bombings on specific targets. Railway stations, factories, etc.

One thing I would like to add. Bad urban planning has affected european cities at least as much as WWII bombings. One hundred years ago entire historical areas of european cities were torn down to build boulevards and new "modern" buildings. The same thing also happened after WWII.

Brussels for instance has been literally raped over the last 150 years, and only a small part of this damage was caused by the war.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 01:48 PM   #157
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Oslo2022: THX for this very nice picture of prewar Breslau.
In the southwestern part of the city was once a very great round square. Unfortunately just the area where the Soviets assaulted the City. How did the houses look like in this southwestern area?

Does anyone has a detailed street map of prewar Breslau ??
Here you go, maps of the city from 1939 =)

http://dolny-slask.org.pl/mapy/wroclaw/1939/2.jpg

Old town district


Old town and the southern part of the city
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And here is a detailed map of Warsaw from 1939 (Made after the invasion), it is both in polish and german

http://www.mapywig.org/m/City_plans/...U_1_40.000.jpg
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 05:42 PM   #159
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Not lost, but well... Moscow

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Hohenzollern Strasse Breslau

Oslo2022: the big round square is the Hindenburg Platz and Hohenzollern Strasse with the church left in the picture is leading from this square in the northwest direction with the church (= the Christus Kirche) on the left. Höfchen Platz is the right part of the Fritz Seldte Platz. Many names of NAZI leaders are to be seen instead of the original names in streets......

Unfornately the barbaric bloodfirsty Soviet red waves just moved over this street (from left to right) which was a barrier for the Soviets on their move towards the city center........

There are going down my beautiful and impressive German Gründerzeit castle like houses (and that was going to happen in most German cities).

From many pictorial books the Germans themselves did most of the demolitions from 1945 until the 1970-ties, hating buildings from the era of Wilhelm II (more than that of the NAZI's, whose buildings mostly survived the second wave of destruction after the war).

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