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Old August 21st, 2017, 10:31 PM   #861
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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...46082&page=449

T/O Another one for Dubai
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Old August 21st, 2017, 10:51 PM   #862
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That's the link to the thread of 3WTC
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Old August 21st, 2017, 10:54 PM   #863
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I copied link and I thought I did the right one .. Very long day at work today

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Old August 21st, 2017, 10:56 PM   #864
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Ah, fountain views III. Was already waiting for this to top out
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Old August 22nd, 2017, 07:39 AM   #865
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15? Do you have a list for me?
The home page of Gaoloumi forum shows 15,and I found a list by someone shows 16 supertalls are completed or T/O,

The other four in the list are:

1、Seg Plaza
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEG_Plaza
356m is include antenna,the roof top is 292.

2、Shum Yip Upperhills Tower 1
Gaoloumi shows its T/O.I am not sure.

3、OCT Tower
4、Shimao Qianhai Project

I think these 2 are not T/O yet,but the list include them,might T/O soon.
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Old August 22nd, 2017, 08:03 AM   #866
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The home page of Gaoloumi forum shows 15,and I found a list by someone shows 16 supertalls are completed or T/O,

The other four in the list are:

1、Seg Plaza
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEG_Plaza
356m is include antenna,the roof top is 292.

2、Shum Yip Upperhills Tower 1
Gaoloumi shows its T/O.I am not sure.

3、OCT Tower
4、Shimao Qianhai Project

I think these 2 are not T/O yet,but the list include them,might T/O soon.
I see.

- SEG Plaza is not a supertall because the antenna doesn't count
- Shum Yip Tower doesn't look topped out yet, but it's very close.
- Shimao Qianhai and OCT Tower are both far away from beeing T/O

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Old August 23rd, 2017, 09:23 PM   #867
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Old August 23rd, 2017, 10:08 PM   #868
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why wasn't FV3 added thu?
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Old August 23rd, 2017, 10:40 PM   #869
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why wasn't FV3 added thu?
i forgot it


edit: now it's added as well

And now we've 150 Supertalls on earth!
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Old August 24th, 2017, 02:12 AM   #870
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I see.

- SEG Plaza is not a supertall because the antenna doesn't count


I never understood that. If you look at the SEG Plaza it clearly is more of a spire than an antenna. The building was planned to be this height and the superstructure was installed when the building was completed. This just seems like CTBUH being clueless as usual about lesser known skyscrapers (or supertalls) in lesser known Chinese cities. Considering that 1 WTC in NY has it's "antenna" ruled as a spire height makes this kinda BS.
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Old August 24th, 2017, 08:09 AM   #871
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I follow the official rules. At 1WTC for example the antenna is also used as spire which is part of the whole design of the tower.
At SEG Plaza it's just an antenna, nothing more.
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Old August 25th, 2017, 03:17 PM   #872
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That is what I mean. SEG plaza was planned to have the structure as part of the whole design of the tower. There was never a period were the building never had it on it's roof. The only fault the SEG tower has is that it is not located in the US.
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Old August 25th, 2017, 11:42 PM   #874
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That is what I mean. SEG plaza was planned to have the structure as part of the whole design of the tower. There was never a period were the building never had it on it's roof. The only fault the SEG tower has is that it is not located in the US.
There are lots of US towers which have antennas that don't count to the height. One of the Best examples is the Sears Tower. I can't imagine the tower without them, but they're just antennas which don't count to the architectural height.
They were there also all the time since it has been build.

1WTC was planned with the spire as element of the whole design. And it fits very well i think.

So if you start to count the Antennas of SEG Plaza to the height you would need to count them at many many other towers too.
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There isn't a clear divide between spires and antenna, but I believe that the 'things' on top of SEG plaza are firmly on the side of spires.

You just need to compare them to other buildings in China with sticks on top that are counted as spires:
Shun Hing Square (1996), just a couple of kilometres away
CITIC Plaza (1996) in Guangzhou, probably the most similar in style.
Central Plaza (1992), The Centre (1998), and the Bank of China (1990) towers in Hong Kong.
Shimao International Plaza (2005) in Shanghai, big ass spires on top of a 250m building

The spires on SEG Plaza (2000) are no different, yet they aren't counted for some reason.


And then you compare them to other 'not supertalls with supertall antenna':
First Canadian Place (355m with), Toronto, clearly antenna
Eureka Tower (301.4m), Melbourne, probably some mechanical equipment on top
Greenland Puli Centre (303m), Jinan, a tiny stick on top
Modern Media Centre (333m), Changzhou, a huge stick on top!
Commerzbank Tower (300m), Frankfurt, an antenna on top.

And then there's SEG Plaza (355.8m), with a significant structure on top, that doesn't look like it serves any functional purpose (i.e. not antenna), and was clearly put there to make the building distinguishable from some generic skyscraper.

Why the spires on SEG Plaza aren't counted, I have no idea, but it was probably some miscommunication when the skyscraper lists were compiled.
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One of the Best examples is the Sears Tower. I can't imagine the tower without them, but they're just antennas which don't count to the architectural height.
They were there also all the time since it has been build.
Not they are not. The antennas where never envisioned to be that tall or there at all. They where extended, modified and rearranged several times since the tower was built. Which is why they are antennas not spires they come and go when their use is no longer needed.



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1WTC was planned with the spire as element of the whole design. And it fits very well i think.
You are trying to make this argument for 1WTC. Yet the phase "SEG Plaza was planned with the spire as element of the whole design. And it fits very well i think.", is factually correct for SEG Plaza too. There clearly are double standards being used.
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Old August 28th, 2017, 06:27 PM   #877
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Not they are not. The antennas where never envisioned to be that tall or there at all. They where extended, modified and rearranged several times since the tower was built. Which is why they are antennas not spires they come and go when their use is no longer needed.
You're right, i didn't know they were that small in early years.

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You are trying to make this argument for 1WTC. Yet the phase "SEG Plaza was planned with the spire as element of the whole design. And it fits very well i think.", is factually correct for SEG Plaza too. There clearly are double standards being used.
Start a petition and send it to CTBUH, maybe they'll change their minds .
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1 wtc spire is ugly...
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Old September 4th, 2017, 10:07 AM   #880
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1 wtc spire is ugly...
The early version of the spire was indeed much better.
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