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Old July 10th, 2014, 03:50 AM   #261
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Shvo keeps stressing that his site has no height limits. I can see a 475m+ tower rising here.
But doesn't this site only have 300,000 sq. ft. of buildable space? Am I missing something?

Let's say, conservatively, a ~1500 ft. tower has 80 floors -- that's an average floorplate of 3750 sq. ft. Even 111 W. 57th isn't that skinny.
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Old July 10th, 2014, 03:58 AM   #262
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Sure but taller than 1wtc?! I expect a bit south of park lane. Billionaires clearly want views of central park and there are plenty of large assembleges to be made.
During the nineties there were several proposals that were significantly taller than the original towers downtown. l believe Trump had a proposal in the Wall street area.
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Old July 10th, 2014, 06:14 AM   #263
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Old July 10th, 2014, 07:31 AM   #264
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Shvo keeps stressing that his site has no height limits. I can see a 475m+ tower rising here.
I agree!

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@SerenShvo The best is yet to come! #shvo

Now that we kind of gotten the Nordstrom out of the way, 22 Thames and the $3.2 B Hudson Spire has moved up on my list as highly anticipated to see what is in store. I think both of these projects could be pretty special.
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Old July 10th, 2014, 07:38 AM   #265
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But doesn't this site only have 300,000 sq. ft. of buildable space? Am I missing something? Let's say, conservatively, a ~1500 ft. tower has 80 floors -- that's an average floorplate of 3750 sq. ft. Even 111 W. 57th isn't that skinny.
22 Thames has 360 k sf vs Steinway's' 315 k sf. A taller Steinway like tower is possible and would be ultra exclusive for downtown. Maybe there are some extra air right to be had as well?

Another scenario that had been brought up by Lord Wellesly is that Chetrit owns an adjacent site and a possible partnership could be made to combine and build a taller / heftier tower.
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Old July 10th, 2014, 07:45 AM   #266
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l believe Trump had a proposal in the Wall street area.
Interesting. Had to look it up. Credits to Hudson11 in the fantastic Unbuilt New York thread: the NYSE (or not, see curbed thread below) tower, 1WTCs big brother at 1792 feet to the roof:



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Old July 10th, 2014, 07:47 AM   #267
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Interesting. Had to look it up. Credits to Hudson11 in the fantastic Unbuilt New York thread: the NYSE tower, 1WTCs big brother, 1792 feet to the roof: (original post, skyscraperpage)
I would have loved that!! I also think that would have looked good in midtown. For example, at the Vanderbilt site.
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Old July 10th, 2014, 12:31 PM   #268
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So this one has the potential to go 400m+?
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Old July 11th, 2014, 01:13 AM   #269
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400+ meters right across the street from WTC? That would be crazy!!
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Old July 11th, 2014, 06:13 PM   #270
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Excuse me if this sounds stupid, but why do the renders keep showing a glass box with a thin stripe? That's not how the tower is going to look, is it?

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Old July 11th, 2014, 06:20 PM   #271
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Render got changed due to new ownership from Fisher Bros. and Steven Witkoff to Shvo. The new design hasn't been announced.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 06:35 PM   #273
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Render got changed due to new ownership from Fisher Bros. and Steven Witkoff to Shvo. The new design hasn't been announced.
Whew. I had a feeling this tower was to change its design with the height increase.
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Old July 12th, 2014, 01:12 AM   #274
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God knows we've had enough fun with the puns on his last name but in a way I'm glad he took over buying the property because while tasteful and nice enough the old design was certainly no Shvo stopper!
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Old August 30th, 2014, 12:04 AM   #275
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Shvo closes on 125 Greenwich condo project valued at $240M

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/08/...alued-at-240m/

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Developer Michael Shvo partnered with an array of local and global investors to arrange $240 million of equity and debt for the acquisition and development of a site at 125 Greenwich Street where he plans to build a soaring condominium tower. The complex deal closed today.

Shvo brought on David Bizzi’s firm Bizzi & Partners as co-developer, and obtained additional equity from Howard Lorber’s investment company New Valley as well as an unidentified Chinese public company. The total equity investment for the Lower Manhattan project is approximately $70 million.

A Singapore bank along with an Indian private equity firm provided $170 million in debt, sources told The Real Deal.

A partnership of Fisher Brothers and the Witkoff Group sold the site to Shvo for $185 million, slightly higher than the price previously reported. That deal was brokered by HFF’s Andrew Scandalios.

Howard Michaels’ Carlton Group brokered the debt and equity financing. Michaels and Shvo declined to comment.

Where Fisher and Witkoff planned to build a 956-foot tall rental tower with 359,130 square feet, Shvo is planning to take that same building size but stretch it taller, sources told TRD. One insider explained that as a condo tower, the ceiling heights would be taller, thus increasing the overall height on the site that has no height restriction.

The site is at the corner of Greenwich and Thames streets. Lower Manhattan is undergoing a long-anticipated transformation from a mostly financial office district to a residential, retail and tourist neighborhood, as well.

The site is three blocks south of the World Trade Center site. As just one sign of the changes, retail-focused investor Thor Equities paid $31 million for three retail condo units across the street at 120 Greenwich Avenue. Shvo in partnership with Victor Homes recently broke ground on the so-called Getty gas station parcel at 239 10th Avenue in Chelsea; and construction is expected to begin early next year on the largest residential project in Soho, at 100 Varick Street, where his partners are Erez Itzhaki, Halpern Real Estate Ventures, Bizzi & Partners and Aronov Development.
I'm curious if 125 Greenwich reflects an address change or just the current address of the project.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 03:22 PM   #276
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Revealed: 125 Greenwich Street to Stand 1,356 Feet, Rivaling One World Trade Center



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YIMBY has the reveal for 125 Greenwich Street, which will become Downtown’s tallest residential skyscraper; a tipster close to the development passed along images and schematics confirming the tower’s significant growth spurt, and it will stand 1,356 feet tall. The project was formerly known as 22 Thames, but traded hands earlier this year, when Michael Shvo and Bizzi & Partners purchased the site for $185 million; the deal closed last week, signaling that plans are close to moving forward.

Rafael Vinoly designed the original 961-foot tower for the site, and he has been retained as the architect; the new version will top-out just a dozen feet shy of One World Trade Center’s roof, making it the second tallest building in Lower Manhattan — and the first Downtown residential skyscraper to rival the supertalls of 57th Street. The transition from rentals to condominiums explains the sudden bump in height.

432 Park Avenue’s oblique Downtown sibling will be similarly slim, soaring 77 stories at a pencil-like width. The floor count has only gone up by seven, and the majority of the height increase can be attributed to the enormous ceilings; slab heights are 13 feet through the 38th floor, 16 feet from 40-65, and an enormous 24 feet from 67 through 77 (per the zoomable site-plan and stacking diagram).

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Old September 2nd, 2014, 03:36 PM   #277
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Wow.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 03:43 PM   #278
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really surprised Vinoly was kept as architect. This will be the glass version of 432 Park w/o the 10x10 windows. Glad Vinoly has gone simpler and getting rid of that fin from the previous Thames design.

The height is superb! With news of the actual purchase price at a tune of $240m is alot of dough for this site. This sucker is going and needs to be a Billionaire tower like its brothers rising in 57th.
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I agree.



When I saw 432 Park Avenue, I thought it was brilliant of Vinoly to design such a thin, simple building with the concrete facade and the giant square windows, but this? I don't see the brilliance in this tower because it's just glass. But 432 Park Avenue looks pretty good, so this might look like a glass mix between this and one of the Twin Towers.

The thing that surprises me the most is the height, not really because it's tall, but it's going to surpass 2 World Trade Center. I expected something as tall as BOfA, for some unknown reason. So much for Libeskind's curve.

No wait, I'm more surprised about the design. I'm okay with a box, but I care less about a glass box.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 03:57 PM   #280
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Um yeah. Basically a copy of 432 Park without the very few architectural elements that make it interesting. A simple glas box. And this in a location which couldn't be any less suitable. It destroys the vista of all the WTC towers and breaks up the balance they create in the Downtown Skyline. I hope it won't get built like that.
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