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Old July 16th, 2013, 06:46 PM   #81
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I could see something being built above that fire house.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 07:21 PM   #82
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No Anna Selldorf?

Rafael Vinoly Is the Starchitect Behind 22 Thames Street



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The former American Stock Exchange building at 22 Thames Street sold, in 2011, to two developers who planned to demolish the 10-story building and replace it with 60 stories of rentals. But those plans never came to pass—instead, fittingly for an ex-stock exchange property, the developers turned around and sold the buildings to the Fisher Brothers for $150 million. What's next? Tribeca Citizen spots an update to the Community Board 1 meeting agenda indicating that Rafael Vinoly, of 432 Park fame, is the architect on the project.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 08:50 PM   #83
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So does this mean we'll be seeing new renderings for this site?
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Old July 17th, 2013, 08:54 PM   #84
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Vinoly can build pretty good stuff:

http://www.brandveiligmetstaal.nl/pa...amsterdam.html
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Old July 17th, 2013, 08:58 PM   #85
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Damn, the old design was great. I hope the new designs lives up to or surpasses Selldorf's design.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 12:42 AM   #86
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I want a simple, yet elegant box here. Lower Manhattan needs more boxes.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 09:18 PM   #87
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Went by the site an hour ago. Demolition I'd progressing quickly. The existing building is halfway gone already.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 01:25 PM   #88
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Rafael Vinoly's Early Design for 22 Thames Street Revealed

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A day after Tribeca Citizen first noted that 432 Park Avenue's Rafael Vinoly was the new architectural mastermind behind a rumored 60-story rental building at 22 Thames Street, Vinoly's team (along with representatives for owners Fisher Brothers and the Witkoff Group) presented the project at a Community Board 1 meeting last night with a few more surprises in tow. Surprise #1: the developer actually has the right to build an 85-story building on the site, which would put 22 Thames in a dead heat for height with, oh, just about most of the neighboring World Trade Center complex. That height prompted an audible "holy shit" from attendees at the CB 1 meeting, and that's where surprise #2 comes in: the developers are asking for a variance to build a smaller, 70-story structure instead. In a shocking display of very un-developer-like behavior, Fisher Brothers representatives argued that a lower tower would better fit the "context" of the neighborhood and act as a "hinge" from the sky-high World Trade Center to the "lower masonry buildings of Greenwich Street." Of course, the variance is for a reduction in the required setback of the tower (from 20 feet to 10-13 feet), so Vinoly's team would also walk away with larger floor plates, more reasonable massing and, in the developer's parlance, "more efficient" design.

So it's a win-win, right? CB1 members were cautiously skeptical but couldn't place their finger on the lingering whiff of suspicion until Vinoly's architect Jim Herr unleashed Surprise #3: a rendering. That's right, 22 Thames Street will most likely be tall, glassy, and non-descript. Or perhaps "banal and undistinguished" if you're a certain member of Community Board 1.

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Old July 19th, 2013, 04:42 PM   #89
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Old July 19th, 2013, 04:51 PM   #90
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Seems slim towers are becoming Vinoly's signature.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 05:06 PM   #91
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From the looks of it... Not bad. Maybe thats y it will be 850ft?? Or maybe because it's slimmer THIS can go higher??
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Old July 19th, 2013, 05:09 PM   #92
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That looks like a supertall with that slimness! :O
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Old July 19th, 2013, 07:48 PM   #93
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New possible supertall for NYC?! Design is great. I think it will look even higher than 4 WTC( if it has the same hight) because it is slim enough.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 08:26 PM   #94
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the developer actually has the right to build an 85-story building on the site, which would put 22 Thames in a dead heat for height with, oh, just about most of the neighboring World Trade Center complex.
The developer really should maximize his given right
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Old July 19th, 2013, 08:39 PM   #95
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The developer is trying to maximize his given right, which isn't measured in height, but in square footage. The 85-story version of this tower is if he squeezed it as narrow as it could possibly go.

But having the tallest tower might not be the most profitable. If he builds a shorter tower with larger floorplates, the decrease in construction cost and increase in value of the larger units could offset the loss of the highest penthouse units.

That sounds like exactly what he's hoping to do. This presentation to the community board seems almost like a scare tactic (if the "holy shit" gasping in the crowd is any indication) whereby he presents this ugly pencil of a render in order to provoke the nimbys into worrying that it's out of context, and that it'll detract from the WTC, etc. etc.

Then he presents the shorter, thicker version as a friendlier alternative, and all the CB has to do is approve a change in the setback requirements. Oh, phew. They'll feel like they've made a great compromise and saved their skyline, when the shorter building penciled out better for the developer all along.

Just seems like smart business to me. Anyway, in short I'd be really surprised, given what I've heard so far, if we got the taller tower.
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height doesn't matter as much downtown as it does, say, near Central Park. 841ft is already the second tallest residential building downtown. (barring the on-hold 30 Park Place) Maybe they'll shoot for the tallest, but that doesn't mean they have to build a 1,000 ft tower.
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The developer is trying to maximize his given right, which isn't measured in height, but in square footage. The 85-story version of this tower is if he squeezed it as narrow as it could possibly go.

But having the tallest tower might not be the most profitable. If he builds a shorter tower with larger floorplates, the decrease in construction cost and increase in value of the larger units could offset the loss of the highest penthouse units.

That sounds like exactly what he's hoping to do. This presentation to the community board seems almost like a scare tactic (if the "holy shit" gasping in the crowd is any indication) whereby he presents this ugly pencil of a render in order to provoke the nimbys into worrying that it's out of context, and that it'll detract from the WTC, etc. etc.

Then he presents the shorter, thicker version as a friendlier alternative, and all the CB has to do is approve a change in the setback requirements. Oh, phew. They'll feel like they've made a great compromise and saved their skyline, when the shorter building penciled out better for the developer all along.

Just seems like smart business to me. Anyway, in short I'd be really surprised, given what I've heard so far, if we got the taller tower.

True... The 70's stories 841ft is a nice surprise nonetheless and will be a nice addition to lower Manhattan skyline.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 09:08 PM   #98
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height doesn't matter as much downtown as it does, say, near Central Park. 841ft is already the second tallest residential building downtown. (barring the on-hold 30 Park Place) Maybe they'll shoot for the tallest, but that doesn't mean they have to build a 1,000 ft tower.
Plus 70 Pine Street is being converted.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 09:12 PM   #99
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That is a large tower.
I can't make anything of that pic though, it is overexposed.
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It's not as big as you'd think. If I recall correctly, it's only about 850,000 square feet.
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