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Old March 5th, 2013, 06:59 AM   #121
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Some of the replies in this thread are disgusting.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 11:33 AM   #122
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Americans

like Asian people love's to call them Asians, same with the case of American people;s likes to call them as an American people. generally peoples like's to call them with their nationality.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 12:48 PM   #123
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like Asian people love's to call them Asians, same with the case of American people;s likes to call them as an American people. generally peoples like's to call them with their nationality.
Since when is "Asian" a nationality?.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 04:02 PM   #124
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AMERICA = the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. PERIOD.
Excuse me, What??????

Since when is that? There is an entire continent named America, and it goes from Tierra Del Fuego to Alaska, all the inhabitants of that land has the right to be called Americans. And I just can't believe a Brazilian, an inhabitant of America says that.
If you perefer to call yourself South American it is perfectly ok, but it is just as valid as American.
Finally, if you state that there is just a continent called South America and there is other called North America, then America as such doesn't exist. (but it do exist and it comprise South, Central and North America, as well as all the nearby islands)


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Therea are some idiots in hispanic countries that envy USA.

We in the other parts of Americas are too "americans" but in a very broad sense. In strictu sensus Americanos are the inhabitants of the United States of America. PERIOD.
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Unless, of course, you had first dibs on the name! Finders, keepers... ;P

Honestly, we are not denying anyone else call themselves 'American'. People can call themselves as they see fit. Thing is, people in south america, mexico, etc. NEVER refer to themselves as such on daily basis. I've come to the realization that this sudden uproar is just an excuse for further "hatred" towards the USA. Usually it's only people from Latin America that have an issue with this, I've yet to see any Canadian complain. It's like a third world thing to do, hate on those on top.
It has nothing to do with envy or hate to the United States, it is just a geographic reason, there is an entire continent called America. And even when it is true that in Latin America there is resentment over the US that is not for nothing or because "they're on top" FYI the United States has promoted coup d'etat and wars all over Latin America, that is a fact. So there are reasons for some resentment, but that is another issue. If canadian don't complain that's their problem.

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that's a clear point isaidso. I would never use "America" for the USA neither, nor american for a US citizen when speaking spanish, i will say "estadounidense". But when talking french, i will use "américain/e" and when talking english i will use "american". Its a matter of being loyal to the language you are talking, and the social construction you have regarding a topic. A subjective complex thing if someone ask me.
Exactly, In spanish, since we are all "americanos" we have the word "estadounidense" I am not oposed to the inhabitants of the United States to call themselves "Americans" since they are calling themselves that way since more than 200 years, and there is simply no other word in the English language.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 04:45 PM   #125
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Why the issue of envy or hate has come to this discution?it has nothing to do with this
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Old March 5th, 2013, 05:02 PM   #126
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I'm Canadian and the cultural influence from the United States is immense. The use of 'America' in reference to the United States is far more common today than it was 30 years ago. Canadians often adopt US practices without question, but that doesn't make it accurate ... only colloquial.

I will use 'American' in reference to people from the United States because there is no suitable alternative and we have such a close daily interaction with our neighbours to the south. What I NEVER EVER use is 'America' in reference to the United States. 'America' means the continent, has always meant the continent, and they already have a perfectly good name for their country: the United States. They don't need 2 names.
I also avoid using the word "America' when referring to the USA but, when I mean the continent, I say "North America" or, if I mean the whole hemisphere, "the Americas". I have never heard anyone in Canada say "America" when they mean North and/or South America.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 05:02 PM   #127
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Who the f*ck are you? Redneck
Who are you? just one who is really ignorant... You dont have ANY idea who I am
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Old March 5th, 2013, 05:11 PM   #128
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that's a clear point isaidso. I would never use "America" for the USA neither, nor american for a US citizen when speaking spanish, i will say "estadounidense". edited
Because you have PROBLEMS with the United States of America. And sorry, but that behavior is highly expected from HISPANIC countries.

American in the whole world means a inhabitant of a RICH, POWERFULL AND HIGHLY DEVELOPED land, but a lot of hispanics envy that fact and instead to start working to improve their own land, they try to remove the meaning of the word.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 05:15 PM   #129
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Old March 5th, 2013, 05:41 PM   #130
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Because you have PROBLEMS with the United States of America. And sorry, but that behavior is highly expected from HISPANIC countries.

American in the whole world means a inhabitant of a RICH, POWERFULL AND HIGHLY DEVELOPED land, but a lot of hispanics envy that fact and instead to start working to improve their own land, they try to remove the meaning of the word.
ehhh....ah? LOL, problems??I think my position was clear enough. Can any mod just do something about this troll? we are having an interesting discution and he comes over here just to troll and spread his complexes because he hasnt understand how this topic is turning due to a (probably) lack of reading comprehension.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #131
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sorry guys, are we going to discuss about ethymological, cultural and popular questions about the name, or keeping on troll, flame and so on?!
'cause this way, AMERICAN is gonna mean stupid ignorant mass of "dont know what kind of being" from US .. -.-

what problems have you got with southern americans?
and which problems is your brain affected of, if ya say "American in the whole world means a inhabitant of a RICH, POWERFULL AND HIGHLY DEVELOPED land, but a lot of hispanics envy that fact and instead to start working to improve their own land, they try to remove the meaning of the word."

"AMERICANS" (as your behaviour proves) probably cannot mantain such an interesting and deep discussion...
good luck boys, I hope you'll solve your mind complexes
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Old March 6th, 2013, 03:03 AM   #132
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A BRASUCA talking about intelligence, this just made my day.
HDI:

84 Brasil 0,718

98 República Dominicana 0,689


Your country has a population that could be placed in my city.....but has a worse HDI...Seems a very intelligent place Congrats! Your country has achieved the feat of having a worse development than Brazil

I thought the Caribbean people were a little more relaxed ...

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Old March 6th, 2013, 03:44 AM   #133
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In the Western world, American means exclusively the people of the United States of America.

In the United States, if you referred to anyone other than US citizens as Americans you will get blank stares. It either doesn't make sense, or sounds extremely pretentious and bigoted. We don't call ourselves United Staters, we call ourselves and exclusively ourselves American.

If America was a thousand times poorer I doubt people would be wanting to be included in being called American.

Everyone knows that when you say American, you mean a citizen of the US. They act other wise to appear more global in their thinking, but really it isn't fooling anyone.

This whole debate makes about as much sense as the Germanic Dutch and Germanic English bitching that the Germans call themselves German.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 04:46 AM   #134
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In Argentina:
someone from USA:

"estadounidense" (for the most part, more commonly heard, broadly accepted) ,

yankee (very familiar way to refer to them but very common too. This way is not accepted in, say, intellectual circles),

norteamericanos (sometimes heard, not accepted in intellectual circles as it excludes mexicans, canadians)

we dont say gringos. Gringos are usually argentineans of central or northern european background (also called "polacos" due to the big polish inmigration to the country)or just europeans (light complexion ones). Sometimes italians (blond or dark) are also refered as gringos. Gringo is more about physical appearance not nationality

As for "AMERICANS", some people might say it when talking about "estadounidenses" but it would mostly be a new trend (globalisation maby?), we mostly think of anyone living from Canada to Argentina as an american. So yes, I consider myself american =)
its very important to take into account that, in the past, when europeans came to the country the phenomenom was arquetipically refered as "los gringos haciendo la América" (gringos (or europeans) coming to America, or making a living in America) In that case, America was our country not the northern one, and gringos were commonly italians, spaniards and germans...curious right?

An argentinean could easily self refer as : american, south american or latin american; it depends on what exactly you want to express. We never use the word LATINO for us, when we hear that word, we immediatly think of someone from Mexico, the carabean or central America.

Who's american? I can only think of a subjective answer.
Correct.

Only a minor thing: for me, latino is something related to this

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Old March 6th, 2013, 04:49 AM   #135
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84 Brasil 0,718

98 República Dominicana 0,689


Your country has a population that could be placed in my city.....but has a worse HDI...Seems a very intelligent place Congrats! Your country has achieved the feat of having a worse development than Brazil

I thought the Caribbean people were a little more relaxed ...
My city has a higher HDI than your whole country. This is how BRASUCAS prove their unlimited ignorance. LOOOOL

Keep trying Brasucas, but please make sure you guys have read some history books before giving opinions on matters that you do not dominate, such as geography and history.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 05:09 AM   #136
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Some of the replies in this thread are disgusting.

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Old March 6th, 2013, 06:06 AM   #137
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Tree things to say:

- The fact that some people are starting to discuss wealth in Brazil, HID in Domincan Rep. etc. its a bad sing. I was enjoying this thread so much and the ethymological (and for that cultural) brands that a single term can awake. I dont know you but I find it amazing. Hope this thread can be redirected.

-socratesfan: I agree, but not the whole west share the same view (not in here for instance) and I would add that not only the west but most of the world would agree with you when saying "american" = USA citizen. It is a fact that the use of the term is largely imposed so yes, you might be correct. Its only good to know that other positions are also there and are as valid as the main one.

-Antonio: well, what can I say, we live in the same country so I know exactly what you mean. For me latino means also that. Dont you find wear to use that word in the context that most people use it? It is so evident that the cultural influence of the USA in the southern most countries of the continent is much weaker that even the terms tend to follow different brands of meanings and end by defining different realities! I love how this process works its so so interesting!
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My city has a higher HDI than your whole country. This is how BRASUCAS prove their unlimited ignorance. LOOOOL

Keep trying Brasucas, but please make sure you guys have read some history books before giving opinions on matters that you do not dominate, such as geography and history.
I said that Brazil has a higher HDI than your country and the entire population of your country is smaller than my city's population
I wonder how efficient you were able to absover information about history and geography without even being able to interpret a short phrase.

Keep trying, dominicas

Where does all this rejection against the "Brasucas" come? I've never been aware of any fight against Dominicans

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-Antonio: well, what can I say, we live in the same country so I know exactly what you mean. For me latino means also that. Dont you find weird to use that word in the context that most people use it? It is so evident that the cultural influence of the USA in the southern most countries of the continent is much weaker that even the terms tend to follow different brands of meanings and end by defining different realities! I love how this process works its so so interesting!
Indeed (well, just a bit nowadays).

In my childhod, the usal terms were (for example) “caribeño”, “centroamericano”, “mejicano”, “latinoamericano”, “hispanoamericano”...but never “latino”.

I heard/read it many years later.
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Me too, I think that television (american television) showed me that when I was a kid. If i'm not wrong, MTV video music awards latinamerica was like a good example of how that cultural sphere used some terms to desing peoples. Most of the artist were either from Mexico/Central America/The Carabean or Americans of those backgrounds. Not many south americans really and very few argentineans. Terms that are now familiar to me, weren't familiar at that time. Latino, hispanic and all of its semantic sphere are terms that I resignified thanks to TV, but...it still sound unfamiliar for me and many of my countrymen in some contexts.
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