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Old February 25th, 2013, 05:26 PM   #21
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I wouldn't trust that map. They have Suriname and French Guyana switched around.
However, this map do show that the myth that "there's no railway in South America" is not very true. However, decades of neglect and privatization have rendered them useless.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 06:23 PM   #22
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However, this map do show that the myth that "there's no railway in South America" is not very true.
Did anyone think it was?
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Old February 25th, 2013, 07:33 PM   #23
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The largest cities in Denmark without rail connection.




.......etc.
do you mean cities without any existing railway at all or without passenger service only?


For Sweden:

Karlskoga pop. 27 084 (freight trains only)

Visby pop. 22.593 (no railway what so ever)

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However, this map do show that the myth that "there's no railway in South America" is not very true. However, decades of neglect and privatization have rendered them useless.
There's a noticable difference between latin american countries rail structure though. Argentina has a rather extensive rail network, while Brazil lacks railway in most of it's territory. Due to the rain forrest I presume.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 07:41 PM   #24
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But there are tracks of the hystorical railway in Gotland which are used as a tourist attraction.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #25
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But there are tracks of the hystorical railway in Gotland which are used as a tourist attraction.
Not in Visby but at Hesselby-Roma central Gotland.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 08:44 PM   #26
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The question poses itself rather differently from region to region, as we can see. Some Latin American, African, or Turkish cities can have several million people and have no rail or rail service, whereas we are hard-pressed to find cities of over 100,000 in Europe which fit the bill. But please: I find it a bit beside the point to list every Danish village without a rail access here. Even in Danmark I think it cannot be a scandal that a place with 4000 inhabitants has no rail service?
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Old February 25th, 2013, 08:50 PM   #27
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In the Netherlands (municipalities).

#1 Westland 101,980 (seat: Naaldwijk) - connected by tram to The Hague from town of Wateringen.
#2 Amstelveen 83,363 - connected by tram to Amsterdam
#3 Spijkenisse 72,171 - connected by metro to Rotterdam
#4 Katwijk 62,476
#5 Nieuwegein 60,720 - connected by tram to Utrecht
#6 Smallingerland (seat: Drachten) 55,456
#7 Lansingerland (seat: Berkel en Rodenrijs) 55,265 - connected by metro to Rotterdam and The Hague
#8 Terneuzen 54,742 - only freight
#9 Oosterhout 54,006 - only freight
#10 Pijnacker-Nootdorp 50,103 - connected by metro to Rotterdam and The Hague

Most of these municipalities are suburban and have connections by tram or metro. Only a few of them are really without passenger rail.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 09:03 PM   #28
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In terms of density and coverage of passanger rail Europe, particularly the Western part, is 3 heads above any other region (except Japan). Once we exclude small and medium size islands where rail makes little sense, there are only a handful of rail-less municipalities left with more than 100,000 inhabitants.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 10:14 PM   #29
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The question poses itself rather differently from region to region, as we can see. Some Latin American, African, or Turkish cities can have several million people and have no rail or rail service, whereas we are hard-pressed to find cities of over 100,000 in Europe which fit the bill. But please: I find it a bit beside the point to list every Danish village without a rail access here. Even in Danmark I think it cannot be a scandal that a place with 4000 inhabitants has no rail service?
The Danes are anxiously looking to their neighboring country Sweden were they are reopening formerly closed village stations extending the regional commuter rail massively.

In southern Sweden they are now serving villages with 2-300 people with daily commuter train service, in that perspective I guess 4000 is a scandal

I guess these would qualify on the smallest places served by daily trains. The envy of all Danes.

Örtofta 200 inhabitants
Lunnarp 300
Smedstorp 300
Ballingslöv 300
Tågarp 400

and about a dozen more places below 1000 inhabitants that I didn't list

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Old February 25th, 2013, 11:23 PM   #30
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do you mean cities without any existing railway at all or without passenger service only?


For Sweden:

Karlskoga pop. 27 084 (freight trains only)

Visby pop. 22.593 (no railway what so ever)



There's a noticable difference between latin american countries rail structure though. Argentina has a rather extensive rail network, while Brazil lacks railway in most of it's territory. Due to the rain forrest I presume.

Some cities like Haderslev and Aabenraa do have a raillink to their seaports but have no passenger services are serving these towns.

But Vojens serves Haderslev and Rødekro serves Aaabenraa by busses so they are not excluded from the rest of Denmark.

And other towns on the list are served by nearby stations with frequent bus services.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 11:33 PM   #31
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I guess these would qualify on the smallest places served by daily trains. The envy of all Danes.

Örtofta 200 inhabitants
Lunnarp 300
Smedstorp 300
Ballingslöv 300
Tågarp 400

and about a dozen more places below 1000 inhabitants that I didn't list
Yes but this is in the very South Sweden where pop density is 115 inhabitants/km²

Small villages in my region of 42,9 inhabitants/km² have no such connections. The smallest village with commuter train stop is Kimstad with pop. 1500
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The question poses itself rather differently from region to region, as we can see. Some Latin American, African, or Turkish cities can have several million people and have no rail or rail service, whereas we are hard-pressed to find cities of over 100,000 in Europe which fit the bill. But please: I find it a bit beside the point to list every Danish village without a rail access here. Even in Danmark I think it cannot be a scandal that a place with 4000 inhabitants has no rail service?
A town with 4.000 people in Denmark are actually fairly large by danish standards, if it can justify a station and in most cases a brand new line is however another question.

And according to the official statistical bureau the difference between a village and a town or city goes at 4.000 inhabitans.


And most of the towns/cities mentioned had actually a train station in the past before many sidelines where closed in the fifties and sixties when they thought that it was a good idea to give all danes a car to drive around.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 11:44 PM   #33
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I was told that a town in Jutland populated by 15,000 Danes was long overdue for a metro.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 02:14 AM   #34
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Haha I would love to see that happen.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 05:00 PM   #35
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Did anyone think it was?
This is a bit off-topic, but yeah that's something you hear quite alot I would argue. I do not know in which shape the tracks are in but it should be possible to introduce services that can offer competition to atleast long-distance buses instead of postponing rail services until the next decade waiting for large-scale projects.

I am very much in favour of working with what you got.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 08:47 PM   #36
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So freight or passenger?

There is basically no intercity passenger rail left in Mexico except for tourist trains, which there are three AFAIK(copper canyon, tequila express, tecate railway). Mexico City's tren suburbano might count as conventional rail. But IMO its a urban commuter system with multi-doored EMUs that branches off the metro not a regional railway.

But yeah, I think if your criteria is strictly intercity passenger rail, then Mexico City wins by a lot here. They've got tons of freight trains though, and there are lots of tracks radiating from the city.
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Old February 27th, 2013, 07:56 AM   #37
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That's what I'm wondering too. For passenger rail, there are 69 cities over 100,000 people without Amtrak service in the US according to Wiki. The largest city without passenger rail service is Phoenix, with the metropolitan population of over 4 million. Until few years ago, it was the largest US city without any kind of rail transit!(excluding freight)

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Old February 28th, 2013, 01:48 AM   #38
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In Spain the largest cities without railway are Marbella (population 140,000), and Torrevieja (population 103,000).
Mijas (pop. 82,000), Alcalá de Guadaíra (pop. 73,000), and Estepona (pop. 67,000) come close.
Benidorm (pop. 72,000) doesn´t have common rail, but it has the tram-train.

Marbella, Mijas and Estepona have never ever had railway.
Torrevieja and Alcalá de Guadaíra did, but the lines were closed.
Benidorm tram-train is a transformed narrow-gauge classic line.

Oh and the Canary Islands don´t have railway either, but there´s a tram between Santa Cruz de Tenerife and La Laguna.
And plans to introduce it.
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Old February 28th, 2013, 07:40 AM   #39
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All those are seaside towns which, I assume, have become this populous only relatively recently.
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Just checked through every Austrian city with more than 10.000 inhabitants and all of them are connected to the national railway network. Can't be bothered to check any further now.
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