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Old August 3rd, 2015, 04:40 PM   #41
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No traffic mayhem as work begins on Tel Aviv light rail
03 August 2015, 13:04


Construction of the light rail in Tel Aviv on Monday

Six years of construction began on Monday, and the roads are relatively clear; "The sky didn't fall," says transportation minister

Despite fears of traffic jams and disruptions as work began on the light rail in the Tel Aviv area on Monday, activity on the roads was fairly usual throughout the morning.

Shortly after the work began, traffic began to back up on nearby streets – but not to an unusual extent. It's believed that many people chose to avoid driving in Tel Aviv if possible, and that many others are away on vacation during the peak days of summer

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Old August 3rd, 2015, 11:07 PM   #42
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The media tried to scare us that there will be Chaos. Meanwhile, everything works well.
I just hope they'lle won't be delayed like many other projects.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 09:07 PM   #43
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NTA Metropolitan Mass Transit System has received preliminary approval for its Green Line to connect Rishon Lezion and Herzliya.
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Old August 7th, 2015, 02:28 PM   #44
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TEL AVIV Light Rail Project

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BlJERUSALEM, Israel -- Tel Avivans will soon be facing the same challenges Jerusalemites have dealt with for more than a decade, with Sunday evening marking the start of construction for a light rail system in Israel's largest city.

Construction for Jerusalem's light rail began in 2002, with the trains becoming fully operational in 2011.

During that nine-year period, many businesses suffered substantial losses when construction disrupted the normal flow of customers to restaurants and shops.

Today, the capital's light rail system brings commuters from several outlying neighborhoods, while crews continue laying track in other parts of the city.

Building a light rail system is an ambitious undertaking no matter where it's done, but in Tel Aviv, where heavy traffic often gets snarled, it may be even more challenging. Much of the work is done at night, with the aim of causing as little disruption as possible to daytime traffic.

Around 10 p.m. Sunday evening, construction crews began preliminary excavations for one of the light rail stations near a busy intersection.

Officials hope to finish Tel Aviv's light rail system in about six years.

Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz was glad to see the project get started, calling it "an historic day."

Though Katz promised to do what he could to lighten the burden for Tel Avivians, police say construction-related road closures could snarl traffic from the city of Ashdod to the south to Netanya, north of Tel Aviv.

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Old August 8th, 2015, 11:26 PM   #45
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Do you know what it will look like? Is Siemes the provider? I can't find any information, apart from some news snippets that say that the rolling stock tender was postponed back in November 2014.
The tender was postponed due to concerns that the rolling stock will arrive years before the line is completed. The line should be opened by 2021, so testing should start by 2019-2020 so the tender should be closed by 2016-2017.

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Of course there aren't any serious traffic issues right now- the construction of only a single underground station (out of 10) was started, and we are currently in August which when the roads in Israel are less crowded than usual. Traffic will worsen as the summer vacation ends and the construction of the other stations starts.

Anyway, the construction of the line's biggest station should start on Thursday- along with the closing of a main intersection and the destruction of a 40-years-old 2 lane bridge.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 12:52 PM   #46
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Tel Aviv seems like such a dense city with only one (I think...) main train line going through it. Wouldn't a metro or heavy rail service be better than light rail?
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Old August 11th, 2015, 10:54 AM   #47
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Tel Aviv seems like such a dense city with only one (I think...) main train line going through it. Wouldn't a metro or heavy rail service be better than light rail?
Red and Green Line: Both are going to be main lines.
Purple is streetlevel entirly, but crossing the City centre, further the railway is goin through the central gush dan area.

But yes... a heavy Metro would be better imo
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Old August 12th, 2015, 01:00 AM   #48
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Is anyone familiar with the "ghost stations" that were built many years ago? One is under the Shalom Tower and the other under the Ha'Neviyim Tower. The metro was never built but the stations were.
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Old August 13th, 2015, 10:52 PM   #49
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I wonder if Tel Aviv will get away with running said light rail on Shabbat.
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 05:53 PM   #50
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39-year-old Maariv Bridge was imploded for future Karlibach station:

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http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4706017,00.html

While the red line's construction is going on, Israel's ministry of finance is proposing to cancel all of the other lines (2 BRT lines and 4 LRT lines, one of them with a small underground section) and redesign them as metro lines. The ministry of finance claims that the current solution won't answer the Tel-Aviv metro's transportation needs in the coming decades. The lines' redesign will probably take years and the budget might rise to more than 250 billion NIS (~60 billion USD), compared to 100 billion NIS for the current proposed grid.
The ministry of transportation, which is in charge of the project (the ministry of finance just provides the money), seems to object to the MOF's new plan due to the expected delay in the construction and because nobody knows if the gigantic budget will ever be approved. It should be noted that Israel's ministry of finance historically opposed major public transportation projects, so the new proposal is either a significant change in the ministry's approach or an attempt to cancel the project.
The next phase of the entire plan according to the current schedule should begin in May 2016, when a part of the green line (the second most important line) should be approved by the government, followed by the rest of the line and 3 other LRT lines which should all be approved by January 2018.
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Old October 5th, 2015, 01:38 PM   #52
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While the red line's construction is going on, Israel's ministry of finance is proposing to cancel all of the other lines (2 BRT lines and 4 LRT lines, one of them with a small underground section) and redesign them as metro lines. The ministry of finance claims that the current solution won't answer the Tel-Aviv metro's transportation needs in the coming decades. The lines' redesign will probably take years and the budget might rise to more than 250 billion NIS (~60 billion USD), compared to 100 billion NIS for the current proposed grid.
The ministry of transportation, which is in charge of the project (the ministry of finance just provides the money), seems to object to the MOF's new plan due to the expected delay in the construction and because nobody knows if the gigantic budget will ever be approved. It should be noted that Israel's ministry of finance historically opposed major public transportation project, so the new proposal is either a significant change in the ministry's approach or an attempt to cancel the project.
The next phase of the entire plan according to the current schedule should begin in May 2016, when a part of the green line (the second most important line) should be approved by the government, followed by the rest of the line and 3 other LRT lines which should all be approved by January 2018.
Well, it makes sense. The LRT is much cheaper, but unless fully segregated and with frequencies to the tune of 30 trains per hour, it is likely to be useless by the time it is finished due to population growth. No city the size Gush Dan is likely to have by 2030, in the developed world, relies on light rail as transport backbone.
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Well, it makes sense. The LRT is much cheaper, but unless fully segregated and with frequencies to the tune of 30 trains per hour, it is likely to be useless by the time it is finished due to population growth. No city the size Gush Dan is likely to have by 2030, in the developed world, relies on light rail as transport backbone.
The system's main line, the red line, is already U/C and therefore should not be affected by the new plans anyway. It's main part is indeed fully undeground and the maximum frequency in the undeground section should be 40 trains per hour.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 01:18 PM   #54
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Hi! I am currently living in Tel Aviv. I had an opportunity to totally explore the construction areas of the light rail. I took dozens of photos. If you want me to post them, let me know. I also had an in-depth chat with someone who works for the project.

It is a very interesting project, but I have some reservations about it. For example, the first two lines (red and green) will not have connections to the Tel Aviv Central Bus Station or the train station. The purple line will connect these, but at ground level. The Tel Aviv Central Bus Station is such an urban eyesore that it needs a project like light rail to fix it. Bringing light rail to that station merely will connect it and not fix it. A smarter idea would be to build an elevated automated people mover, which would act as intermodal transit, connecting the bus station, train station, and nearest light rail station.

Another mistake is that the proposed system will not connect to Ben Gurion Airport. The high speed rail will end at the airport (from Jerusalem). From there, travelers from Jerusalem will have to connect to another train and then to the light rail once in Tel Aviv. There should be a direct connection for light rail at Ben Gurion airport.
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Well, it makes sense. The LRT is much cheaper, but unless fully segregated and with frequencies to the tune of 30 trains per hour, it is likely to be useless by the time it is finished due to population growth. No city the size Gush Dan is likely to have by 2030, in the developed world, relies on light rail as transport backbone.
In theory I would agree with you. However, in practice politicians often come up with "sensible" proposals for project redesign, not because they want to improve the projects but because they want to delay them. In this case, where apparently the Ministry of Finance proposes technical changes against the advice of the Ministry of Transportation, it does smell a bit like obstruction tactics.
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Hi! I am currently living in Tel Aviv. I had an opportunity to totally explore the construction areas of the light rail. I took dozens of photos. If you want me to post them, let me know. I also had an in-depth chat with someone who works for the project.

It is a very interesting project, but I have some reservations about it. For example, the first two lines (red and green) will not have connections to the Tel Aviv Central Bus Station or the train station. The purple line will connect these, but at ground level. The Tel Aviv Central Bus Station is such an urban eyesore that it needs a project like light rail to fix it. Bringing light rail to that station merely will connect it and not fix it. A smarter idea would be to build an elevated automated people mover, which would act as intermodal transit, connecting the bus station, train station, and nearest light rail station.

Another mistake is that the proposed system will not connect to Ben Gurion Airport. The high speed rail will end at the airport (from Jerusalem). From there, travelers from Jerusalem will have to connect to another train and then to the light rail once in Tel Aviv. There should be a direct connection for light rail at Ben Gurion airport.
Yes, please post your photos here! We would love to see them.

And I agree, there should be a direct one-seat ride from downtown Tel Aviv to old city Jerusalem (though the latter would require a lot of tunneling and potential archaeological disturbances).
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Hi! I am currently living in Tel Aviv. I had an opportunity to totally explore the construction areas of the light rail. I took dozens of photos. If you want me to post them, let me know. I also had an in-depth chat with someone who works for the project.

It is a very interesting project, but I have some reservations about it. For example, the first two lines (red and green) will not have connections to the Tel Aviv Central Bus Station or the train station. The purple line will connect these, but at ground level. The Tel Aviv Central Bus Station is such an urban eyesore that it needs a project like light rail to fix it. Bringing light rail to that station merely will connect it and not fix it. A smarter idea would be to build an elevated automated people mover, which would act as intermodal transit, connecting the bus station, train station, and nearest light rail station.

Another mistake is that the proposed system will not connect to Ben Gurion Airport. The high speed rail will end at the airport (from Jerusalem). From there, travelers from Jerusalem will have to connect to another train and then to the light rail once in Tel Aviv. There should be a direct connection for light rail at Ben Gurion airport.
The new CBS is supposed to stop functioning in the future, and bus lines should be moved to Holon Junction to the south and Tel Aviv 2000 terminal in the north- similar to the model implemented in Haifa.
The new line from jerusalem should terminate at Herzeliya at first, not at Ben Gurion airport. Later on trains should run directly from Jerusalem through Tel Aviv and Haifa to Karmiel.
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The new CBS is supposed to stop functioning in the future, and bus lines should be moved to Holon Junction to the south and Tel Aviv 2000 terminal in the north- similar to the model implemented in Haifa.
The new line from jerusalem should terminate at Herzeliya at first, not at Ben Gurion airport. Later on trains should run directly from Jerusalem through Tel Aviv and Haifa to Karmiel.
What are they going to do with the CBS then?

I just read the Wikipedia article on the CBS. 26 years to build? There must be something they can do to recycle its foundations.
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What are they going to do with the CBS then?

I just read the Wikipedia article on the CBS. 26 years to build? There must be something they can do to recycle its foundations.
Unknown- but it will no longer serve as the city's central bus station. The building was sold a few months ago for 320 million NIS- the buyers will probably ask for extra construction rights and then demolish the structure and build apartment buildings instead. The entire process will probably take a decade or two.

Financial difficulties. The building is gigantic, for no apparent reason.
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I had read some time ago that the original red line plans included moving the bus terminal underground. Lots has changed, but maybe this is why.
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