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Old May 17th, 2017, 10:41 PM   #521
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Wayfarer515 (airliners forums) :The CS300 arrived yesterday to MMQT, supposedly to be inspected by Aeromexico
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Jetsouth (airliners forums) :Apparently easyjet is considering the Cseries once again for replacement of its 319's
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Old May 18th, 2017, 01:10 PM   #522
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Easyjet have asked for 'support' from the UK gov...post Brexit obviously... as it is a 'British' plane to a considerable extent. They were not blown off I hear.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 01:52 AM   #523
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China's COMAC exploring an investment in Bombardier. Full details: https://www.ft.com/content/0003ce56-...f-2437841d178a. If it materializes, hoping for a flurry of orders from Chinese carriers.

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Old May 19th, 2017, 07:46 AM   #524
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China's COMAC exploring an investment in Bombardier. Full details: https://www.ft.com/content/0003ce56-...f-2437841d178a. If it materializes, hoping for a flurry of orders from Chinese carriers.
Backlog of Cseries is around 300, it is better to fulfill those with better production rate. Better production rate will bring more money to Bombardier.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 10:31 AM   #525
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The larger Cseries are being locked out of the US and China markets. The investors might be panicking.
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Old May 26th, 2017, 02:08 AM   #526
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There is a hearing going on over the Delta Deal and Boeing complaint right now.

Delta say they requested a 100 seat aircraft and were offered a 100 seat C Series (10 seats taken out)

BBD say that if Delta take the plane with 110 seats, as they could, they will be charged more than the price set for the 100 seaters.

Delta also said that they are restricted to using this a/c as a 1000 n mile range aircraft and if they fly longer sectors the implication is that they must also pay more.

Basically they asked for a 1000 mile range 100 seater and are getting them ...albeit in 'expandable' format. The idea that you can get a good deal by speccing a crippled version of a CS100 may well catch on more widely.

Delta then said rude things about the 737-700, saying they have 10 of them and use them when they are stuck. They said the 737-700 and 737 Max 7 are both uneconomic.

There is more on the hearing at this link.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-boein-437624/
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Old May 27th, 2017, 07:38 PM   #527
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Swiss's first CS300 - HB-JCA - on its way to Zurich right now: https://www.flightradar24.com/SWR5201/d879e20

Total aircraft delivered this year: 3 CS100s and 2 CS300s
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Old May 27th, 2017, 07:46 PM   #528
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Photos of the delivery ceremony from Bombardier's twitter post:
https://twitter.com/BBD_Aircraft/sta...55451540062208



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Old May 29th, 2017, 06:54 AM   #529
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Old May 30th, 2017, 02:52 PM   #530
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Delta and Bombardier lined up for a last cut at Boeing at the dumping hearing, this is a rather entertaining read.

https://leehamnews.com/2017/05/30/bo...er/#more-23573

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“Because of Boeing’s enviable order backlog, they told Delta they had no significant production slot availability until 2020 for any aircraft in the 737 family.
Delta, knowing this, are about to release an RFP for 150 x 150-200 seaters at the end of the summer. CS300s anyone. ????

Right now Delta has ordered precisely 0 A320neos and 0 737 Max a/c, preferring to stick to current engine a/c until now.

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...ysts-dont.html

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Delta eyes big late summer order; analysts don't like Boeing's chances
But we also know that if Delta want 150 seats and 3 classes then Bombardier can only offer 130 seats with the CS300 and Delta know what they want.

I am more inclined to think that one of the mega orders Airbus booked from Asia for the A320neo goes tits up (especially in India) and that frees up production slots around when Delta actually wants the aircraft, and that it will be a Leap A320neo order in the end. Delta also ordered 30 ceo A320s this month to keep them going in the meantime.

But if Delta specify 130-180 seaters in their RFP that all changes because Boeing will no longer have a 130 seater by 2020 and Airbus just about do with the A319neo. Maybe a joint proposal will be made for the first time I can recall.
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Old May 30th, 2017, 03:11 PM   #531
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How does the CS100 compare to the Sukhoi SSJ100 ?
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Old June 2nd, 2017, 05:47 PM   #532
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Another delivery: Baltic received its 4th CS300 - YL-CSD - on Thursday June 1st, 2017:


https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f...t9801/#d972c03
YL-CSD at Riga:


Source: https://twitter.com/gatisstanga/stat...19874996518913

All five CS300s active in skies above Europe simultaneously:


Source: https://twitter.com/AirportWebcams/s...08617971605504

Total Deliveries for 2017: 3 CS100s and 3 CS300s
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Some news on the Korean Air order and update on the engine fix from Pratt & Whitney.

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by Frederic Tomesco
June 5, 2017, 10:22 AM PDT

Korean Air Lines Co. will be the first Bombardier Inc. customer to fly C Series jets outfitted with Pratt & Whitney engines revamped to address a durability issue, according to the Canadian manufacturer.

South Korea’s biggest carrier is set to become the third operator of the C Series when it takes delivery of its first CS300 jets in the “fall time period,” Fred Cromer, president of Bombardier’s commercial aircraft unit, said Monday in an interview. The planemaker still expects to ship 30 to 35 of its all-new C Series aircraft this year under a “back-end loaded” delivery schedule, he said.

Pratt is rolling out fixes to the geared turbofan engine after a series of glitches since its commercial debut last year, including a problem with the combustor liner and a faulty oil seal. The unit of United Technologies Corp. said last week it has added 300 professionals in the past year to hold suppliers accountable for producing parts on time to help with deliveries.

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While the combustor liner issue hasn’t affected the reliability of the C Series jets flown by AirBaltic and Deutsche Lufthansa AG’s Swiss International, the engines on those aircraft will still need to be replaced in the coming months, Cromer said.

“These early engines do have a shorter combustor life,” Cromer said. “Those will be taken care of as soon as Pratt starts delivering the combustor with the longer life.”

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Rest of Article from Bloomberg
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Old June 8th, 2017, 10:49 AM   #534
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AirBaltic has issued an RFP to replace it's current fleet of 12 (leased) Q400's. Though the Q400's are 76 seater planes, AirBaltic apparently wants to replace them with 100 seater planes, likely putting the CS100 up against the E195-E2 for this order. Honestly it would be a massive disappointment to BBD not to get this order.

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Mon Jun 5, 2017 | 5:30pm EDT

AirBaltic is planning to buy at least 14 new planes with more than 100 seats to replace the turboprops in its fleet, with planemakers Bombardier (BBDb.TO) or Embraer (EMBR3.SA) in the running for the deal, the Latvian-based airline's CEO said on Monday.

Air Baltic is looking to broaden its network and plans to increase passengers numbers to 4.2 million in 2021 from an expected 3.2 million this year.

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The order would be for 14 planes for delivery from 2020, likely with options for more as the airline seeks to grow, Gauss said.

Embraer and Bombardier are the two planemakers that make a jet of the size AirBaltic is interested in, Gauss said. He said a decision would be made this year, although not in time for the Paris airshow later this month.

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Old June 8th, 2017, 09:49 PM   #535
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Honestly it would be a massive disappointment to BBD not to get this order.

What do you mean "disappointment', my friend?
The competition was between BBD and Sukhoi.... and Sukhoi Superjet100 won! CSeries lost.
But then Latvian parliament came into game. They gathered at something like Saturday night just to issue one law act, prohibiting AirBalttic to buy anything from Russia.
The irony is - AirBaltic is a broke, and most of it's revenue comes from flights to and from Russia.
CS100 is about 2 times more expensive, than SSJ100 - and Bombardier do not want to give SC100s for free (or almost for free) - as they did with CS300s

So, Embraer, who was standing aside all that time (eating popcorn) - got it's chance
A "massive disappointment" is the whole story
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What do you mean "disappointment', my friend?
The competition was between BBD and Sukhoi.... and Sukhoi Superjet100 won! CSeries lost.
But then Latvian parliament came into game. They gathered at something like Saturday night just to issue one law act, prohibiting AirBalttic to buy anything from Russia.
The irony is - AirBaltic is a broke, and most of it's revenue comes from flights to and from Russia.
CS100 is about 2 times more expensive, than SSJ100 - and Bombardier do not want to give SC100s for free (or almost for free) - as they did with CS300s

So, Embraer, who was standing aside all that time (eating popcorn) - got it's chance
A "massive disappointment" is the whole story
I'm aware that the SSJ100 won the original competition before politics came into play. Too bad for Sukhoi, by all accounts it's a good plane; although I'm not sure how it's relevant to this current RFP as it is unfortunately disqualified.

AirBaltic is the launch customer for the CSeries and BBD has put a lot of marketing and publicity into the CS300 launch. The "great performance" and satisfaction that AirBaltic and Swiss have been supposedly experiencing underpin BBD's current sales efforts. If AirBaltic goes with Embraer, it will be a massive disappointment to BBD.
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What do you mean "disappointment', my friend?
The competition was between BBD and Sukhoi.... and Sukhoi Superjet100 won! CSeries lost.
But then Latvian parliament came into game. They gathered at something like Saturday night just to issue one law act, prohibiting AirBalttic to buy anything from Russia.
The irony is - AirBaltic is a broke, and most of it's revenue comes from flights to and from Russia.
CS100 is about 2 times more expensive, than SSJ100 - and Bombardier do not want to give SC100s for free (or almost for free) - as they did with CS300s

So, Embraer, who was standing aside all that time (eating popcorn) - got it's chance
A "massive disappointment" is the whole story
Just for my curiosity, what was the price of Airbaltic's 20 unit CS300?
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As Boeing Battles Bombardier, Taxpayers Get Hit Twice

The iconic American company Boeing seems simultaneously to be for and against intervention. This spring Boeing’s former CEO and other U.S. business leaders convinced President Trump to give a new lease on life to the Export-Import Bank, a trade-distorting relic of crony capitalism’s heyday. Just weeks later, Boeing asserted the sanctity of fair trade in allegations about Bombardier, a Canadian aircraft company.

The Export-Import Bank was on life support, but, in April, following a meeting with former Boeing CEO Jim McNerney, President Trump reversed himself and decided the Export-Import Bank should not be shut down after all. The Bank has supported major U.S. corporations for years with taxpayer dollars, with Boeing being its chief beneficiary. In 2014, before Congress moved to curtail its activities, the Bank provided long-term loan guarantees totaling $10.8 billion, of which $7.4 billion went to Boeing. All told, Boeing received about 40 percent of the Bank’s $20.5 billion in programs - hence the moniker “the Boeing Bank.”
Then, in May, Boeing asked the Commerce Department to punish Bombardier for harming Boeing and distorting trade with the sale of a new series of passenger planes to Delta at a price Boeing alleges is well below what the planes should have cost, a practice commonly referred to as “dumping.” It is practically a fait accompli that the Department of Commerce will agree that Boeing’s claims have a solid enough foundation to turn the matter over to the International Trade Commission (ITC), an independent, quasi-judicial government agency, for a formal investigation. President Trump is proudly skeptical of international trade’s benefits for the United States, or at least the way commerce has been conducted in recent decades.

Given the advantages Boeing enjoys courtesy of the Export-Import Bank and its defense contracts, it is both galling and ironic to see Boeing then ask for more U.S. government intervention over Bombardier’s sale of 75 C Series planes to Delta. Boeing claims the $19.6 million price per plane is well below the $33 million or more Boeing figures the planes should have cost. The only way to account for the bargain basement price is that Bombardier must have deliberately underpriced them to muscle Boeing out of the way and that Bombardier could only have done so because it is the recipient of lavish subsidies by federal and provincial government in Canada, according to Boeing. The standard remedy is to affix special duties on Bombardier’s planes sold in the U.S.

The irony for Boeing is rich. Domestic airlines have complained for years that below market, and taxpayer-subsidized, loans through the Export-Import Bank have been used by foreign countries to buy airplanes and offer cut rate airfares. And, according to Veronique DeRugy, Senior Research Fellow at the Mercatus Center, “When Delta and other airlines can’t compete on costs, they have to cut jobs. And that’s what they do. During the hearing on Ex-Im before the House Finance Committee, the CEO of Delta, Richard Anderson, testified that some 7,500 U.S. airlines jobs had to be cut because they faced unfair competition from the Ex-Im subsidized ‘customers.’”
But here are some facts that should become readily apparent to the ITC. Boeing does not make a plane that competes with Bombardier’s C Series so there is no way that Boeing could have been injured by the alleged unfair competition.

Boeing has no business asking the ITC to help it overcome what, in retrospect, appears to have been a strategic misstep about the market for 100-150-passenger class of plane. The taxpayer-funded ITC exists to make sure foreign governments and companies play by the rules of global commerce, not to pick winners and losers, which brings us back to the Ex-Im Bank.

The Bank, like so many government agencies, has its origins with the New Deal. It was set up to help U.S. companies looking to export by providing a type of insurance. One way it does this is with foreign loans guarantees, in essence, creating a market for U.S. products by loaning foreigners money to buy U.S. goods. To be sure, exports benefit American workers but the American taxpayer has been subsidizing business transactions that would likely take place without the Bank and other forms of government support for far too long.

It could be that Bombardier is simply producing a great new airplane and Boeing, regretting a strategic decision years ago, now wants to marginalize Bombardier as a competitor. In a perfect world, Boeing and other companies would make products the market wants at a competitive price without government (taxpayer) support. However, even in an imperfect world, it is unfair to ask taxpayers to foot the bill to pay for entities such as the Export-Import Bank and then saddle them with duties imposed on foreign products that do not compete directly with U.S. products. Boeing is claiming it simply wants fair trade. In fact, Boeing wants to be able to trade just as unfairly as other countries do – and then some.

David Williams is president of the Taxpayers Protection Alliance.
http://www.realclearmarkets.com/arti...ce_102727.html
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AirBaltic is the launch customer for the CSeries and BBD has put a lot of marketing and publicity into the CS300 launch. The "great performance" and satisfaction that AirBaltic and Swiss have been supposedly experiencing underpin BBD's current sales efforts. If AirBaltic goes with Embraer, it will be a massive disappointment to BBD.
I agree!

My personal opinion (if you allow) - For Bombardier Airbaltic was a launch customer for SC300, for Sukhoi they could've been a first European operator of their SuperJets. But for Embraer they are just another small customer.

In another hand, being a unique "all Bombardier" airline in the middle of Europe promises a lot of advantages for small carrier, like AirBaltic

So, I think chances for BBD are good. And these good chances are good for AirBaltic as well
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Undisclosed customer buys five Bombardier Q400s

Bombardier Commercial Aircraft said it has concluded a firm order for five Q400 aircraft with an undisclosed customer.

Based on the list prices, the order is valued at $162 million, according to a Bombardier statement.

The Canadian manufacturer said the Q400 aircraft family includes over 60 owners and operators in almost 40 countries. “The worldwide fleet has logged more than 6.9 million flight hours and has transported more than 429 million passengers,” Bombardier said.

Linda Blachly [email protected]

http://atwonline.com/airframes/undis...8d7d6c1c992443
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