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Old September 25th, 2017, 08:21 PM   #601
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cs series windows are big, take a look

https://blog.wandr.me/2016/07/trip-r...ow-comparison/
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Old September 25th, 2017, 09:28 PM   #602
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Old September 27th, 2017, 05:27 PM   #603
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The initial outcome of the trade dispute is that the US Department of Commerce is recommending an import tariff of about 220% on the Bombardier CSeries aircraft.


https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-...untervailing-1

http://enforcement.trade.gov/downloa...lim-092617.pdf


The Department of Commerce will make it's final decission on December 12, 2017. It will then need to be affirmed by the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) before this tariff of 220% will be enforced.

Bombardier, Canada and the UK are not happy with this preliminary ruling. Delta is more rational in it's reaction, they simply say that they are confident that the U.S. International Trade Commission will come to a different decision.



Statements:

Bombardier:
https://twitter.com/jonostrower/stat...20392275804161

Delta
https://twitter.com/jonostrower/stat...11851876044804

Boeing:
https://twitter.com/jonostrower/stat...11250261753861

Canada:
https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affa...mmercepre.html
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Old September 28th, 2017, 12:38 AM   #604
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Seems like the airBaltic is planning to replace the rest of its fleet with C Series jets:

airBaltic confirms Bombardier fleet extension despite tariffs row
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airBaltic, Latvia's flag-carrier airline, has confirmed its plan to lease at least fourteen C Series jets from Canada's Bombardier amid a tariffs row that has escalated after a US Commerce Department preliminary decision to impose steep duties on Bombardier jets in the US.

"The operations of Latvian airline airBaltic are not affected by the trade row between Bombardier and Boeing," the airline told LSM, touting the past operational record of the Bombardier planes currently in its fleet.

The airline confirmed a go-ahead with plans to lease at least fourteen more Bombardier C Series jets to replace the current Q400 NextGen turboprop aircraft, also from Bombardier.

"It is currently planned that the next stage of the upgrade of the fleet will see at least fourteen more Bombardier C Series being ordered to replace Q400 NextGen [aircraft]," airBaltic said.

"Currently airBaltic are still discussing agreement details with the manufacturer and more information will be provided when it's available," the airline said.
http://eng.lsm.lv/article/economy/ec...s-row.a251644/
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Old September 28th, 2017, 02:21 AM   #605
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-41397181

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Boeing's trade dispute with Bombardier "could jeopardise" its defence contracts with the UK government, the UK's defence secretary has warned.
This refers mainly to the proposed purchase of P8 a/c which are militarised maritime patrol 737s. Unlike Boeing who contribute nothing to the UK aerospace sector the UK knows that at 5000 UK jobs rely on Bombardier.

The UK has 2 P8s on order and are considering another 7. Total cost is at least $10bn dollars if they order the whole lot. Over a billion each.

What the UK is apparently looking at is funding Bombardier to the tune of $2-3bn to stretch the CS300 thereby creating a 'Military CS500' in effect. What Bombardier does with the resulting stretch is 'their business' . Military requirements do not come under normal trade rules on subsidies and dumping etc etc because they are, like, secret like!

Canada was thinking of buying even more P8s but seemingly the UK will do most of the running on this 'Military CS500' project. As regards the 2 P8s the UK ordered I don't know whether they will be cancelled or not.

But the UK and Canada are systemically ganging up on Boeing from now on, that's for sure.
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Old September 28th, 2017, 03:28 AM   #606
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This refers mainly to the proposed purchase of P8 a/c which are militarised maritime patrol 737s. Unlike Boeing who contribute nothing to the UK aerospace sector the UK knows that at 5000 UK jobs rely on Bombardier.

The UK has 2 P8s on order and are considering another 7. Total cost is at least $10bn dollars if they order the whole lot. Over a billion each.

What the UK is apparently looking at is funding Bombardier to the tune of $2-3bn to stretch the CS300 thereby creating a 'Military CS500' in effect. What Bombardier does with the resulting stretch is 'their business' . Military requirements do not come under normal trade rules on subsidies and dumping etc etc because they are, like, secret like!

Canada was thinking of buying even more P8s but seemingly the UK will do most of the running on this 'Military CS500' project. As regards the 2 P8s the UK ordered I don't know whether they will be cancelled or not.

But the UK and Canada are systemically ganging up on Boeing from now on, that's for sure.
This is blatantly false. Where are you getting all of this?

The P-8 deal with the Royal Air Force is a done thing. Source:

UK defence secretary says recent Boeing orders not under threat in Bombardier row
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/27/reut...rdier-row.html

Next, the contract for nine P-8s is for $3.87 billion. $10 billion for ten aircraft is an outrageous number. Source:

Boeing signs Ł3bn deal for nine marine patrol planes
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36763212

Next, the idea that Bombardier can create a maritime patrol aircraft based on a stretched CS300 is ludicrous. Not only would a maritime patrol aircraft require extensive modifications compared to its commercial counterpart, the bulk of the contract is not in the airframe but rather in the systems integration of the radars, sensors, power generators, communications equipment, and deployment systems for the torpedoes, bombs, and sonobuoys.

Bombardier has no experience with any of this. To suggest that somehow this is anything other than wild speculation is just plainly misleading.
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Bombardier Signs Largest Ever Q400 Turboprop Order with SpiceJet for up to 50 Aircraft

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SpiceJet to become the launch customer of the extra-capacity, 90-Seat Q400 aircraft


Bombardier Commercial Aircraft today announced that it has concluded a firm purchase agreement with SpiceJet Limited (“SpiceJet”) of Gurgaon, India for up to 50 Q400 turboprop airliners, making it the largest single order ever for the Q400 turboprop aircraft program and bringing total Q400 firm orders to over 600 Q400 aircraft. Upon delivery, the airline will become the first in the world to operate a 90-seat turboprop, pending certification by regulatory authorities.

The purchase agreement includes 25 Q400 turboprops and purchase rights on an additional 25 aircraft. Based on list prices, the order is valued at up to US $ 1.7 billion.
Full press release from Bombardier

http://www.bombardier.com/en/media/n...ardiercom.html

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Old October 1st, 2017, 07:48 AM   #608
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http://www.bombardier.com/en/media/n...ardiercom.html



90 seats? sounds packed......but also economical...
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Old October 1st, 2017, 08:50 AM   #609
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When delivery will start of new order ?
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 07:22 PM   #610
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Airbus to buy majority stake in C-Series program and set up new assembly line in Alabama.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bomb...ries-1.4357567

Edit: With the line in Alabama, they have effectively worked around the impending tariff on sales of the C-Series in the US.
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Old October 17th, 2017, 03:27 AM   #612
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Just a great News !! long life to the Cs
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Old October 17th, 2017, 04:13 AM   #613
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Airbus already have a factory in Alabama that flies in components and assembles them for the US Market.

If the Ooopa Loompa tries any of his crap he will see 300% tariffs on his 737 Max in really short order.
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Old October 17th, 2017, 04:37 AM   #614
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Its great for Airbus, they are paying zero cash for the 50.01% stake just extending credit to the programme and taking over marketing, the deal also comes with 100m share options in Bombardier itself (about 10% of the company) as a sweetener allowing Airbus to acquire in future should they so choose. The ownership of the C series programme company will become Airbus 50%, Investissement Québec 31%, Bombardier 19%.
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Airbus & Bombardier to partner on CSeries; build aircraft in Alabama

http://atwonline.com/manufacturers/a...rcraft-alabama
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Ooh apparently another clause of the deal is Airbus has the right to dissolve the partnership and take the C Series programme in house from 2023.
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I'm struggling to understand how this deal can be done for no cash from Airbus in exchange for 50%. Did BBD really just dilute their stake in half in exchange for manufacturing, sales, and service support? Is that support worth 50% of all future profits from the program?
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The thing is, there would probably be no profits otherwise.
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I'm struggling to understand how this deal can be done for no cash from Airbus in exchange for 50%. Did BBD really just dilute their stake in half in exchange for manufacturing, sales, and service support? Is that support worth 50% of all future profits from the program?


The program would probably be dead otherwise.


So, Airbus get 50 of cseries, with buyout option in 2023. It get further 700 mio financing from Bombardier and pays 0€.

Only thing Airbus has to do is adapt Alabama plant and do marketing and sales from now on.

No pride to pay for the best plane of its class, modern plane, which will in lifetime sell 5000 pieces.

Can we call this best deal of the century?

It is up there with FB acquisition of Instagram.
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