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Old May 14th, 2016, 05:50 PM   #201
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Old May 26th, 2016, 02:27 PM   #202
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Each and everyone who once appreciated and joyfully anticipated the "contrasting, exciting" East Facade must admit now:
this modernist piece of **** is a total fail. Bland, dull, unelegant, unimaginative, uninspiring.

No, this is not the concrete building shell. It's the freaking final thing!


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This new Berlin Wall isn't even as interesting as the old one. At least the old one offered reasons to approach, stare, photograph and otherwise ponder. This blank wall is like putting 60 seconds of dead space in the middle of a Lady Gaga song.
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Old May 26th, 2016, 06:40 PM   #204
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This new Berlin Wall isn't even as interesting as the old one. At least the old one offered reasons to approach, stare, photograph and otherwise ponder. This blank wall is like putting 60 seconds of dead space in the middle of a Lady Gaga song.
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Old May 26th, 2016, 08:40 PM   #205
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Damn, that facade is looking even worse than the renders.

Completely bland and uninspiring.
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Old May 27th, 2016, 09:58 AM   #206
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That facade is a TOTAL disaster. What went through their heads? Tear it down PLEASE.
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Old May 27th, 2016, 10:54 AM   #207
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Each and everyone who once appreciated and joyfully anticipated the "contrasting, exciting" East Facade must admit now:
this modernist piece of **** is a total fail. Bland, dull, unelegant, unimaginative, uninspiring.

No, this is not the concrete building shell. It's the freaking final thing!


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Good lord. Presumably it was added to make a point of how joyless and dull modernism is because otherwise I see absolutely no reason to glue that lump to this at all.
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Old May 27th, 2016, 12:50 PM   #208
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Actually, Franco Stella is someone who appreciates classical architecture a lot and usually builds sensitive to environment and urban surroundings, especially in historical ensembles. He's more postmodern rather than modernist.

Maybe his intention was indeed to create something as dull as possible, so it can be torn down - as soon as possible (I suspected this when I've seen the first renders years ago). Sounds awkward, but the Bundestag decision clearly stated the Spree facade needs to be modernist, it was an ideological thing.

So it seems possible Stella did it like this to make demolition fantasies soon more likely. After all, his courtyards and passageways are much better designs (because he wanted them to remain probably). But it's just me speculating. Again, Stella is no hardcore modernist, so I think all this isn't super unlikely.

I suggest you look at his website and judge for yourself:

http://www.francostella.eu/projects.html
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Old May 27th, 2016, 03:53 PM   #209
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Hmmm. The east facade looks like the evil twin sister of the Humboldt Library.

And five out of the ten visuals seem fairly characterless modern blocks. I hope you're right, erbse, but looks to me that Herr Stella may have been fully intending to do what he did.
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Old May 28th, 2016, 08:49 AM   #210
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Actually, Franco Stella is someone who appreciates classical architecture a lot and usually builds sensitive to environment and urban surroundings, especially in historical ensembles. He's more postmodern rather than modernist.

Maybe his intention was indeed to create something as dull as possible, so it can be torn down - as soon as possible (I suspected this when I've seen the first renders years ago). Sounds awkward, but the Bundestag decision clearly stated the Spree facade needs to be modernist, it was an ideological thing.

So it seems possible Stella did it like this to make demolition fantasies soon more likely. After all, his courtyards and passageways are much better designs (because he wanted them to remain probably). But it's just me speculating. Again, Stella is no hardcore modernist, so I think all this isn't super unlikely.

I suggest you look at his website and judge for yourself:

http://www.francostella.eu/projects.html
Honestly I don't have too much of a problem imagining this piece added in with some of the rest of them. As keepthepast said, I hope you're right but I don't really see much evidence for it in his work if I'm being honest.
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Old May 29th, 2016, 04:31 PM   #211
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An architect/designer/artist with any sense of selfworth would never sabotage himself by purposely creating inadequate work (I can tell you that being a designer/artist myself) and certainly not for a project of this importance and size. The Stadtschloss/Humboldt Forum will very likely be the pinnacle of Stella's work and career. He knows that very well too.
Also, I don't really know what you are talking about, Erbse. All of Stella's work actually looks pretty similar to the east facade of the Stadtschloss. Monumental and austere but with classical proportions. They clearly orignated from the very same mindset:







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Old May 29th, 2016, 07:26 PM   #212
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I derived that conclusion from his statements in interviews though and tried to abstract this with his architectural work in mind. When out of context, he goes for monumental straight modernism, but builds different in classical contexts. I mean, look what he intended to create in Potsdam.

Anyway, we'll see. I'd be happy enough to see the Pharmacy (Schlossapotheke) getting reconstructed as a solitary in the next 10-15 years. It'd make a fabulous location for a Museum of Stadtschloss and Royal Berlin History, that'd be far too limited in what's planned at the Palace itself.
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Old May 29th, 2016, 10:29 PM   #213
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I have to concede that the Stella gets the proportions right in his buildings. But the rest is absolutely terrible. It is pretty devastating when this Palace facade is actually the by far best looking of all the buildings shown above.
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I'd actually be ok with what's there if it was a building by itself and clad in some nice stone (Has a certain stripped classical monumental feel to it). As it is it doesn't work. The contrast with the more faithfully restored portions is just too great and diminished both.
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^ Great! Source? (Always credit it with a link! I see it's from the BZ.)
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Actually, Franco Stella is someone who appreciates classical architecture a lot and usually builds sensitive to environment and urban surroundings, especially in historical ensembles. He's more postmodern rather than modernist.

Maybe his intention was indeed to create something as dull as possible, so it can be torn down - as soon as possible (I suspected this when I've seen the first renders years ago). Sounds awkward, but the Bundestag decision clearly stated the Spree facade needs to be modernist, it was an ideological thing.

So it seems possible Stella did it like this to make demolition fantasies soon more likely. After all, his courtyards and passageways are much better designs (because he wanted them to remain probably). But it's just me speculating. Again, Stella is no hardcore modernist, so I think all this isn't super unlikely.

I suggest you look at his website and judge for yourself:

http://www.francostella.eu/projects.html
Totally agree. I think this part is not intended to be permanent and probably incorporated as a cost saving exercise in the initial rebuilding. You can almost guarantee it will be replaced within a time span of anywhere between 15-20 years.
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