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Old August 26th, 2013, 12:05 PM   #81
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It's just your wannabe, you are an ex-soviet country and east of Poland, yes you are in Eastern Europe.

From The World Factbook:

Lithuania



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markfos, are you a troll? Or just act like that? Read my mentioned links.
Poland is also a former commie country.
Btv, you can even compare postwar architecture in LT/PL and make some conclusions
We are in the east of Poland and we are in the Northern part of that region. It seem smarter people get that. On the other way, because of religious hell and slavic society, mostly all lithuanian will say that Poland is Eastern Europe. Sorry...
wannabe? You know, Scandi countries confirm our links, so we do not give damn shit about Polands notions, understandings, visions, "complexes

markfos has a better competence than national geography specialists or mostly all professional international community! That's the way, man

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Old August 26th, 2013, 12:25 PM   #82
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I know it, I travel it.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 12:35 PM   #83
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I know it, I travel it.
If you travel, than you had noticed obvious aspects: society, it's outlook, mindset, physical outlook, as well as cold climate. You had noticed similar design, fashion trends, also architecture. And so on and on.
Despite that Northern Europe/Scandinavia/Nordc/Baltic are completely different definitions, although have associations.
Self-identifications and recognition, acknowledgement is a small part. However, our links are recognized and as i have wrote earlier, we donot give a damn thing on how other consider that.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 12:38 PM   #84
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markfos, are you a troll? Or just act like that? Read my mentioned links.
Poland is also a former commie country.
There is a huge difference between ex commie and ex soviet, and no I'm not a troll, your fellow started this by putting Poland to the same basket as Belarus, Russia and Ukraine. We were always part of western Europe in all aspects, we are west of Lithuania, most of our lands are west of Hungary and Slovakia so why he included Poland to EE while Hungary and Slovakia to CE?
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Old August 26th, 2013, 12:45 PM   #85
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I know it, I travel it.
Scandinavia and Northern Europe terms have different meanings, still some similarities too.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 12:45 PM   #86
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If you travel, than you had noticed obvious aspects: society, it's outlook, mindset, physical outlook, as well as cold climate. You had noticed similar design, fashion trends, also architecture. And so on and on.
Despite that Northern Europe/Scandinavia/Nordc/Baltic are completely different definitions, although have associations.
Self-identifications and recognition, acknowledgement is a small part. However, our links are recognized and as i have wrote earlier, we donot give a damn thing on how other consider that.
Good. I'll consider it eastern Europe.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 02:52 PM   #87
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at the moment - our economy depends on Scandinavia
At the moment your economy depends on Russia. The highest proportion of both exports and imports was to and from Russia.

Export:
Russia 19.0%
Latvia 11.0%
Estonia 7.9%

Import:
Russia 32.5%
Germany 9.8%
Poland 9.8%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Lithuania
By the way ...

Poland share with Scandinavia:

- long maritime border with Denmark and Sweden
- Swedish kings from Vasa dynasty
- Polish-Swedish union
- Viking expansion
- Harald Bluetooth
- Cnut the Great
- Olaf I of Norway and Geira
- Sygryda Storrda aka Świętosława
- Eric of Pomerania aka King Eric III of Norway, Eric VII of Denmark and King Eric of Sweden
- Samuel Linde and other polonized Swedes
- Swedish Pomerania
- "Gustav II Adolf fraternal assistance" Evangelical Church in Poland organization ( second oldest after German organization)
- hunderts of twin towns and sister cities
- many cultural events
- strong economic ties
- thousands of scandinavian companies ( in various industries)
(for example 52 years of cooperation between Ikea and Poland - Poland is IKEA's second largest supplier after China)
- architecture ( to some extent)
- glacial landform
- similar climate
- Central European Time Zone
etc. etc. etc.

That makes Poland ber Nordic comparing to Lithuania but this does not mean that we are Scandinavians or Nordic country.

Ps.
King Eric of Sweden castle and birthplace in Darłowo/Poland

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and i have hundreds of such examples ...

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Old August 26th, 2013, 03:03 PM   #88
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Exactly, we have much more in common with Northern Europe and Scandinavia than Lithuania does.
BTW @Prosp always mentions IT companies, but the biggest IT companies like Google or Intel are located in Poland.

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Old August 26th, 2013, 03:17 PM   #89
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Exactly, we have much more in common with Northern Europe and Scandinavia than Lithuania does.
BTW @Prosp always mentions IT companies, but the biggest IT companies like Google or Intel are located in Poland.
That doesn't mean anything. If Google decides to close its Polish branch then it will. Poland doesn't even come close to Scandinavia. Estonia however does have a lot in common with Finland.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 03:23 PM   #90
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Of course, you are right. I'm just pointing that Lithuanians think they are similar to Scandinavia but are even further than Poland is.
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Of course, you are right. I'm just pointing that Lithuanians think they are similar to Scandinavia but are even further than Poland is.
I agree. Estonia has a lot in common with Finland, they share a lot of cultural ideals and the language is simular. Head down a little and you come to Latvia. Riga is a nice town, but you can easily tell how the Soviets have left their marks. Lithuania is a world apart, and walking around in Kaunas or Vilnius does make you feel you're in some obscure country far away from the civilised world...
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Kaunas is not the prettiest town but Vilnius is really beautiful and well maintained, what they lack is the big city feeling, you feel more like in the bigger cozy town, maybe because there are no trams? Well, anyway I find this calm, a bit provincial climate very pleasant.
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Btv, you can even compare postwar architecture in LT/PL and make some conclusions
Well in case of Lithuania it will be similar to the rest of Soviet Union which is not necessarily a bad thing and after the transformation and in Lithuania's case independance both countries just follow west european trends, probably with more diversity in Poland since our country is bigger and we had more construction in the '90 so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.

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It seem smarter people get that. On the other way, because of religious hell and slavic society, mostly all lithuanian will say that Poland is Eastern Europe. Sorry...
Lithuanians sure are original people if they associete fervant Roman Catholicism with Eastern Europe

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wannabe? You know, Scandi countries confirm our links, so we do not give damn shit about Polands notions, understandings, visions, "complexes
I don't think many people in Scandinavia give a shit about Lithuania so I wouldn't boast so much because some scholars or politicians confirmed some ancient connections of yours it doesn't mean that much honestly and whole this discussion is pretty weird.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 03:54 PM   #94
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Exactly, we have much more in common with Northern Europe and Scandinavia than Lithuania does.
BTW @Prosp always mentions IT companies, but the biggest IT companies like Google or Intel are located in Poland.
There is a big difference between creating something and beeing a cheap working place for smthone. While Lithuanians can create technologies (havenot heard about any Silicon Valley level enterprises from PL) like Fermentas, Biotech, Expla or GetJar and our start-up sector is booming compared to Polish (maybe EU surveys lie?). So here is a major difference. Polish companies IT are in regional level, while mostly many start-ups (btv, do you really know the meaning f this term?) from LT - surprise, surpirse - can easy compete with Apple Inc..
Whait....i can sit in the middle of forest and make money transfer via my smatphone while in PL it would not be impossible Next time, please, read a bit, try to google. Because yuo are speaking without any knowledge in this matter. Btv, i am practically working with IT/H-tech start-ups so i really know situation in PL/LT/ and particularly in Nordics, but you can try to discuss and find contr-arguments, only i can guess that....
Google or Intel was located in PL only because of larger numbers of workers. it is well know fact in LT. On the other hand, we can create our own stuff.Atm Lithuania LACKS of IT specialists and many people from BY/Ukraine come here to work. During the crisis such centers like Barclay/Western Union/Atea/visma etc. started actively employ them while many other started their own business (start-ups).
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OMG.....aaaaffff.....come off it all these off topic coments.....

by the way....actually actually....both lithuania and poland have something in common....both are european union countries....
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Kaunas is not the prettiest town but Vilnius is really beautiful and well maintained, what they lack is the big city feeling, you feel more like in the bigger cozy town, maybe because there are no trams? Well, anyway I find this calm, a bit provincial climate very pleasant.
I don't mind a lack of a big city feeling. But everywhere around Lithuania I see Russian billboards, gangster looking types with angry faces and lots of UK registered vehicles, uninsured and which should have been scrapped in the UK a long time ago but somehow ended up on a car transporter to Lithuania...
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There is a big difference between creating something and beeing a cheap working place for smthone. While Lithuanians can create technologies

Never heard about Lithuanian IT companies, and if so why do you earn less than Poles do? We have CD Projekt that created Witcher games series, sold in millions worldwide, what do you have?
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Puritan, do you really know differences between Scandinavia/Nordic/Baltic and Northern Europe? If not, then we can not discuss.One troll speaks that Poland is in the west side of Lithuania, so we are in the East while all more sophisticated world considers Lithuania as a Northern Europe country not only because of strong ties with Nordics, bus also due more similar societies. Again, compare average Lithuanian and average Pole or Easter European and you will notice clear differences (I remember that my girlfriend (height 178) was more higher that majority of Poznan Lech ultras . Ok, it was a joke, but comparision even in small levels will show certain difference and provide a uselful information.)

I had provided some links to very simple information that show actual relantionship with Nordics in state level. As well as there are even more closer relationships between societies (Middsummer feast, for istance).
Take into account that mostly all Lithuanian business considers not only LV/EST as a home market, but at the moment - Scandinavia market like is a home market where everyone tries to start cooperation/exapand. Not Poland, not Russia, not Czech or Slovakia or Hungary. Even though, except Russia/Poland, we do not have any information about these countries, this means, neither our media, nor we have any interest in all central/east europe issues, what, actually, shows another thing - we are going there, where we started to go during interwar.

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Your fact and figure made me smile
Try to google about LT/balts and perhaps you will be surprised
Quite simple example - mythology. I guess you have noticed, that in LT all pre-christian thing survived for a long time. So our mythology is very closely ralated to Scandi/Nordics even though we had share some godnes. Simple.
But you know, in Lithuania we have one (negative) term "runkelis". one of it's meaning is about persons who do not know nothing, but still speaks. I can find out x number more facts that shows Lithuania-Scandinavia relantionships that you did
next time,please, read a bit before you write. Dont make a cloun from yourself.
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Never heard about Lithuanian IT companies, and if so why do you earn less than Poles do? We have CD Projekt that created Witcher games series, sold in millions worldwide, what do you have?
This is beginning to look like a "my dick is longer than yours" thread.
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Never heard about Lithuanian IT companies, and if so why do you earn less than Poles do?
Main thing that lithuanian are pro-tech/technology advanced people. So i can guess you have no interest in those industries. I made such conclusion during my visits in PL. As i have said - in lt i can sit in the mid of the forest and make money transfer and in PL (Gdansk) internet speed makes me angry Addiction?

Why we earn less? I am 25 years old and i earn 3200 EUR. in Lt.
So everything depends on you. people from province ear less than those from Kaunas/Vilnius/Klaipeda. Main thing that salaries depends on industries. Ir you are IT, you earn more that Poles, let's say. But have no suorce to confirm, only have heard that from Polish colleagues.
On the other hand, Lithuania purchase power index is higher than Polish one, so ...
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