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Old January 17th, 2015, 04:09 PM   #201
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I have a question, let say China build one HSR route and Japan build one, are they finalise train set to use ?
The first two lines will employ train carriage technology of the Chinese system, however the rest will employ the Japanese system or however get the three remaining lines.
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Old January 18th, 2015, 06:39 PM   #202
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The first two lines will employ train carriage technology of the Chinese system, however the rest will employ the Japanese system or however get the three remaining lines.
So there would Shinkansen and CRH, 2 system in a country. So passenger from Chiangmai to have train change at lopburi (Ayuttaya?) to continue journey to Bangkok since different of system apply (from Shinkansen to CRH)?
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All lines terminate at Bangkok Bang Sue Grand Station though, while the Northern line and Northeastern line will share the same track up until Ban Pachi Junction (Ayutthaya).
We should hear more about it once they begin negotiation with Japan and how the technology will work out.

10 platforms on the third floor will be for the HSR network



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Old January 18th, 2015, 10:25 PM   #204
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China got two of the lines and construction is expected to begin September & December 2015 for the first two lines.
Construction for these two lines will take two and half year years.
  1. Nongkhai - Korat - Kaeng Khoi - Map Tha Phut (734 km)
  2. Kaeng Khoi - Bangkok (133 km)
Japan is interested in the remaining three lines and negotiation with Japan will be held at the end of this month or february.
  1. Bangkok - Chiang Mai (749 km)
  2. Tak - Phitsanunoke- Khon khaen - Mukdahan (658 km)
  3. Pu Nam Ron - Kanchanaburi - Bangkok - Rayong (380 km)
All 5 lines would look something like this.

[IMG]http://i60.************/6r0g1l.jpg[/IMG]
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Old January 19th, 2015, 07:56 AM   #205
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All 5 lines would look something like this.

[IMG]http://i60.************/6r0g1l.jpg[/IMG]
Thanks, in my opinion, north south direction should go to one system, east west should be one system.

i hope Thai high speed rail could bring up the whole piece of Thai base IT technology firm, do not repeat Taiwan high speed rail failure, Taiwan model just like an adult drive Ferrari where he have no ideal how a Ferrari is made.
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All 5 lines would look something like this. http://i60.************/6r0g1l.jpg
Where did you get this image? BTW, the route from Mukdahan to Mae Sod still not finalize yet - but the line from Khon Kaen to Mukdahan should follow Ban Phai - Mukdahan - Nakhon Phanom instead as this project also has a space for both meter gauge and standard gauge though. Sadly, there is no real planned route from Ban Phai to Phitsanuloke though ... and I know that the route from Phisanuloke to Mae Sod must pass Sukhothai

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Thanks, in my opinion, north south direction should go to one system, east west should be one system.

i hope Thai high speed rail could bring up the whole piece of Thai base IT technology firm, do not repeat Taiwan high speed rail failure, Taiwan model just like an adult drive Ferrari where he have no ideal how a Ferrari is made.
to get the fact straight, these networks will have max speed of 160-180 kph as the way to get it done quickly at the cheapest cost and most of the section will follow the existing railway line with the exception of the route from Phitsanuloke to Lampang and Lampang to Lamphun and of course Kaeng Khoi - Pakchong section [AKA Dong Phraya Yen section] - well these are the mix of both passenger and cargo as Chinese demands to run cargo to Laem Chabang Port without changing the trains anyway. an adult drive Ferrari where he have no ideal how a Ferrari is made? Well, we just use terminology as "Driving Mercedes benz on the Cart tracks instead of 4 lane highways" - the Northern line and Northeastern line has shared the track from BKK to Ban Phachi (90 km) though.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 10:18 AM   #207
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For the Tak-Mukdahan line where the route aren't finalized yet, I loosely drawn it from this image krub.


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Old January 19th, 2015, 02:26 PM   #208
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Standard gauge line construction to start ‘in September’

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THAILAND: A series of meetings between Thai and Chinese government officials on January 20-21 is expected to pave the way for construction of Thailand’s planned 1 435 mm gauge main lines to begin by September.

Speaking in Bangkok on January 18, Thai Transport Minister Prajin Juntong set out a provisional timescale for construction of two conventional standard gauge lines totalling 873 route-km. The first of four civil works packages would be implemented from September with a view to the project being completed by March 2018. The four packages cover sections from Kaeng Khoi to Bangkok (133 km), Kaeng Khoi to Map Ta Phut near Rayong (246 km), Kaeng Khoi to Nakhon Ratchasima (138 km) and Nakhon Ratchasima to Nong Khai (355 km).

Forming a north-south corridor intended to support future rail links through Laos to China, the standard gauge lines will be designed for mixed-traffic operation at up to 160 km/h. Construction will be undertaken with Chinese supervision under the terms of a memorandum of understanding between the two governments signed in December 2014. Officials are reported to be assessing how far local contractors could participate ahead of a final project structure being signed off by the end of next month, Prajin said.
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to get the fact straight, these networks will have max speed of 160-180 kph as the way to get it done quickly at the cheapest cost and most of the section will follow the existing railway line with the exception of the route from Phitsanuloke to Lampang and Lampang to Lamphun and of course Kaeng Khoi - Pakchong section [AKA Dong Phraya Yen section] - well these are the mix of both passenger and cargo as Chinese demands to run cargo to Laem Chabang Port without changing the trains anyway. an adult drive Ferrari where he have no ideal how a Ferrari is made? Well, we just use terminology as "Driving Mercedes benz on the Cart tracks instead of 4 lane highways" - the Northern line and Northeastern line has shared the track from BKK to Ban Phachi (90 km) though.
Thai high potential of IT/ technology/ hardware manufacturer firm is there I believe there should have share the business of high speed train. Is there any request of CRH to set manufacture plant at Thailand? In the other way, what is target % local made product in whole high speed rail project?

Lastly, Chinese demands run cargo freight to seaport, u mean they will use high speed rail truck or old track?
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Old January 20th, 2015, 04:26 AM   #210
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Thai high potential of IT/ technology/ hardware manufacturer firm is there I believe there should have share the business of high speed train. Is there any request of CRH to set manufacture plant at Thailand? In the other way, what is target % local made product in whole high speed rail project?

Lastly, Chinese demands run cargo freight to seaport, u mean they will use high speed rail truck or old track?
New track as those Chinese government have pressed the demands on Thai government that there should be through service as they have fed up with the waste of time of changing bogies or transshipment.

At least, there should be subway rolling stock manufacturing though. However, I expect 50% local content in the local version of subway rolling stocks though.
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Old January 20th, 2015, 06:30 PM   #211
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Progress on the Bang Sue Grand Station
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Old January 20th, 2015, 06:43 PM   #212
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[video=youtube;vs8_wVQCiYA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vs8_wVQCiYA[/video]
Starting the High Speed train project from Nakhon Ratchasima to Nong Khai (355 km) as a part of Nong Khai - Nakhon Ratchasima - Maptaphut (734 km) with 4 public hearings - Nakhon Ratchasima on 20 Jan 2015 (Sima Thani Hotel near Nakhon Ratchasima railway station), Khon Kaen on 21 Jan 2015, Udonthani on 22 Jan 2015 and Nong Khai on 23 Jan 2015 as Big Jin Demand the project to start the construction in September 2015 - they will use the railway land strip with 80 meter wide and the station area will be 160 meter wide
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f..._t=photo_reply
http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detai...sid=1421741929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=vs8_wVQCiYA
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1421747326
http://www.thaihispeedtrain.com/khor...hai/about3.php
http://m.matichon.co.th/readnews.php?newsid=1421741929
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...2680899&type=1
http://www.thaihispeedtrain.com/khor...c57-11_opt.pdf
http://www.thaihispeedtrain.com/khor...c58-01_opt.pdf
http://www.thairath.co.th/content/475953




Design of stations - Bua Yai (big lotus) - Ban Phai (hand made bamboo) - Khon Kaen (Dinosaur) - Udon Thani (Bang Chiang Pottery) - Nong Khai (Naga) - all elevated
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...2680603&type=1
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...2686210&type=1
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...2686330&type=1



Bua Yai station - Ban Phai station
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...2679896&type=1
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...2686314&type=1


Khon Kaen - Udonthani station
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater


Nong Khai station
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

According to Q & A - it seems to me that even though this line will be 180 kph at the beginning, the line will be upgraded from 200 kph to 200 kph or better for passenger train while cargo train will be 120 kph - Container yard will be in Khon Kaen, Udon Thani and Nong Khai - and after Bug Yai and Ban Phai has been added, there will be container yards at Bua Yai and Ban Phai as well - the axle load is 22.50 ton - something which alarm me as Chinese cargo train use 25 ton locomotives!
http://www.thaihispeedtrain.com/khorat-nongkhai/Q&A.php

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http://www.thaihispeedtrain.com/khorat-nongkhai/
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Old January 21st, 2015, 01:11 AM   #213
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to get the fact straight, these networks will have max speed of 160-180 kph as the way to get it done quickly at the cheapest cost
That is not quite accurate. The track geographic itself will be planned to support upgrading to higher speed train (250+) in the future. Only that the first operation will be run by 180 kph train. The government will seek for the upgrade once the demand is picking up to the point, so that there is not much need for subsidize.

The cost is not that much lower. Compare to making full fledge high speed, it's only 20-30% cheaper due to less advance signalling and train set. And the only reason why it can be done quickly (2.5 years according to the plan) because the 2 lines is cut into 4 sections, and construction work start as almost as the same time.

And this only apply to north-eastern line where we have MOU with China. There is still no solid information for the rest 3 lines which the government plan to do the same thing with Japanese government. Even though the initial study has already been done base on constructing full fledge high speed train network.
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Any chance that this will link up with the Chinese HSR system via Laos? I was always under the impression that the Chinese wants an HSR from China to Bangkok all the way down to Singapore through Malaysia.

Although I guess China should probably finish it's own HSR before casting their HSR net on their immediate neighbors.
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Any chance that this will link up with the Chinese HSR system via Laos? I was always under the impression that the Chinese wants an HSR from China to Bangkok all the way down to Singapore through Malaysia.

Although I guess China should probably finish it's own HSR before casting their HSR net on their immediate neighbors.
ONLY when Chinese government are forced Lao government to accept the project and loan to finance the project. After that, Chinese loan or Japanese loan to Thai governemnt for the line from Bangsue Central to Padang besar
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After the first discussion on Thai - China Railway Project - Big Jin has come up with conclusion
1. Main contractors are Chinese while Thai contractors are subcontracted
2. Using survey results in 2010 - 2014 including double tracking to help proper connection with existing railway networks to prepare the route and station construction with distribution center in the following sections

2.1 BKK - Kaeng Khoi (133 km)
2.2 Kaeng Khoi - Map Taphu (246.5 km) - These first 2 sections will be started in October 2015 and done in April 2018
2.3 Kaeng Khoi - Nakhon Ratchasima (138.5 km)
2.4 Nakhon Ratchasima - Nong Khai (355 km) - These last 2 sections will be started in December 2015 and done in April - October 2019 due to the difficulty to deal with Dong Phraya Yen and Khao Yai National park as well as the communities along Friendship Highway

3. Max speed is allow 160 - 180 kph with upgradable to real High speed train

Well, Big Jin never neglect the existing meter gauge line at all - Southern line to Malaysia will be electrified double tracking - to connect with electrified routes of KTMB

For the case of Laos, we have learnt that LPDR is going to sign the contract with Chinese government in 2015 and started the construction of Boten - Viengchan route in 2016.

There are 3 ways to deal with project finance
1. Chinese Loan with special interest (2% per annum or lower) with 30-40 year paying period with 10 year grace period - favorite way
2. Public - Private - Participation to be in line with the new PPP law of 2013
3. Thai - Chinese government investment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r09...yt-cl=84359240
http://www.manager.co.th/iBizChannel...=9580000008597


Let's see how Japanese - German and South Korea are competing to get the share of the route - after Chinese government manage to get into the line from BKK to Nong Khai and Kaeng Khoi to Map Taphut
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1421910466
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Any chance that this will link up with the Chinese HSR system via Laos? I was always under the impression that the Chinese wants an HSR from China to Bangkok all the way down to Singapore through Malaysia.

Although I guess China should probably finish it's own HSR before casting their HSR net on their immediate neighbors.
It will be standard guage all the way from China to Thailand. China one will be HSR since the beginning. Thailand one will be designed and support and upgradable. Laos one is not clear, but due to country economy, it might not worth running full HSR on that section. So I would say no, until Laos can catch up with its neighbors. Until then, we might only see HSR running on just China or Thailand side.
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Any chance that this will link up with the Chinese HSR system via Laos? I was always under the impression that the Chinese wants an HSR from China to Bangkok all the way down to Singapore through Malaysia.

Although I guess China should probably finish it's own HSR before casting their HSR net on their immediate neighbors.
For malaysia to Singapore section. So far planning of high speed train only limited to Kuala Lumpur to Singapore. There is no plan for Kuala Lumpur to northern part of peninsular which bordering with Thailand.
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It will be standard guage all the way from China to Thailand. China one will be HSR since the beginning. Thailand one will be designed and support and upgradable. Laos one is not clear, but due to country economy, it might not worth running full HSR on that section. So I would say no, until Laos can catch up with its neighbors. Until then, we might only see HSR running on just China or Thailand side.
Which mean I am actually miss out one information... the HSR project is actually dual track design as per high speed rail requirements but it's run as normal train when it complete? And upgrade to real high speed rail when it is necessary in future?
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