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Old February 13th, 2015, 11:18 AM   #241
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Ajarn Sammart warning: if the terms of loan for Bangsue Central - Kaeng Khoi - Nakhon Ratchasima - Nong Khai / Kaeng Khoi - Map Taphut are not so generous as Japanese loan (2-4% annual rate of Chinese loan with grace period of 4 year paid back in 20 years vs 1.4% of Bangsue Bang Yai loan for MRT with grace period of 7 years paid back in 25 years) while Chinese government still impose the right to design, construct, and run the service by themselves without consent from Thai people and Thai government, such a line will be hopeless.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 11:24 AM   #242
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PM woos private sector to build high-speed trains
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THE NATION February 13, 2015 1:00 am



PRIME MINISTER General Prayut Chan-o-cha has invited the private sector to build short-distance, high-speed trains to attractive sites near Bangkok in order to facilitate tourism.

The government will provide support in terms of acquiring land for construction along with tax and non-tax incentives, similar to the Japanese public and private partnership model. Germany is believed to have shown an interest in investing, he said.

The possible rail routes being considered for this high-speed train project are Bangkok-Pattaya and Bangkok-Hua Hin.

The cost, the conditions, funding and construction plans, along with possible incentives could be proposed by the private sector and the government would be willing to talk to anyone about the matter, he said.

"The Board of Investment [BoI] has discussed today about possible investment in high-speed trains to support the tourism industry," Prayut said.

The investment will be in the nature of a public and private partnership as there are many well-funded companies that can afford such an investment and the government can provide land for this venture," the prime minister said, after presiding over the BoI's first meeting of the year. "A similar project in Japan for a 700-kilometre high-speed railway costs around Bt400 billion," he said.

He said the government would provide land already owned by the State Railway of Thailand for such an investment. However, the construction of a high-speed line, which would require a relatively straight route, might require the government to expropriate land and provide compensation to people who might be affected in the process.

'Not part of seven-year plan'

Industry Minister Chakramon Phasukavanich clarified that the new idea for a high-speed railway is not part of the government's seven-year plan to build infrastructure worth Bt3 trillion. He said "the government would find it hard to try and fund it on its own", explaining that as the reason why the idea was being floated, to see if it draws a response from the private sector.

"The speed for this new high-speed train idea would be similar to the speed of the [Japanese] Shinkansen, which requires a straight railway line to operate on. This would mean that the construction might require expropriation of land and the estimated cost of Bt400 billion is not expensive. But the amount the government is expected to spend on investment in railways such as double tracks and standard gauges is already high, so this project is open for private sector participation," he said.

He added that Germany's ambassador to Thailand had revealed to him this week that Siemens AG had expressed an interest in the project, as they have extensive expertise in building high-speed railways. The most likely route that was being discussed was Bangkok to Hua Hin via Phetchaburi province. He believes the Bangkok-Pattaya route would be more feasible, as it would pass through Sri Racha district and Laem Chabang Port before Pattaya and could be extended to Map Ta Phut Industrial Estate in the future.

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Old February 14th, 2015, 12:41 PM   #243
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Even though Mom Aui (ML Pridiyathorn Devakula - grandson HRH Prince Devawongse Varopakarn) want Thai - China railway project - but he decline the loan in Renminbi Yuan denomination as Renminbi Yuan has not been freely floated as US Dollars - lower interest rate in US dollar is preferred by Mom Aui - even though it is more likely that he has seen Renminbi Yuan appreciation in the market so it would hurt Thailand in the long run when Thailand has to pay back the loan.
http://www.thairath.co.th/content/481097

Chinese investors want to make a joint venture with Chonburi Concrete Production PCL (CCP) to produce concrete sleepers for Chinese contractors who are going to win Thai - Chinese railway project
http://www.thanonline.com/index.php?...9#.VN8HOOasV11

Big Too asking government officers to discuss about how to let private sectors making a joint venture for Thai - China railway projects as well as all the future railway projects including BKK - Pataya high speed + BKK Hua hin High speed which should be a combined route
http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detai...sid=1423897535
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Old February 16th, 2015, 07:46 AM   #244
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While Big Jin is discussing with China on the issue of Thai - China railway, Big Too has come up with the idea of Shinkansen after the trip to Japan as the way to pressure China to come up with cheaper loan with extended grace period and longer term loan
http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detai...sid=1424052854
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Old February 17th, 2015, 03:49 PM   #245
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Chinese officials to visit Nong Khai next month
The Nation February 17, 2015 4:51 pm

Chinese representatives will next month visit Nong Khai to survey the location of the Thai-Chinese dual track railway that will link the northeastern province with Bangkok and Rayong.

Transport Minister ACM Prajin Juntong visited Bejing last week to co-chair a meeting with China on the joint development project of the 1.435-metre standard-gauge rail network (Nong Khai-Nakhon Ratchasima- Kaeng Khoi-Map Ta Phut).

Prajin said the construction would proceed in the form of a G-2-G joint project. China would commit to the Engineering Procurement Construction (EPC) and lend Thailand with the interest rate below 2 per cent. The loan will also be interest free for the first four years of the twenty-year agreement.

Representatives of the two countries will re-convene when they visit Nong Khai on March 10-1.

Nong Khai will also serve as an interchange for the Lao route, which was also funded by China. Raising public understanding about the project is also one of the important activities during the visit.

During the visit, China and Thailand will sign a Memorandum of Cooperation (MoC) on the distribution of the work involved, which will be a clear guide for each country to fulfill the obligations.

Thailand will basically take on more than half of all works, comprising land expropriation, EIA appproval, civil jobs and planning for commercial developments around the railway.

China will undertake the observation, design and other tasks needing highly advanced technology such as tunnel boring and mountain road building. Construction of a Maintenance Centre will be undertaken by China in the first phase, before being forwarded to the Thai operation.

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Old February 17th, 2015, 06:17 PM   #246
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Finding the settlement for Thai - China railway on 10-11 March 2015 - so far Chinese creditor and Chinese government agree that 2.5% interest rate is acceptable even though the wish for the lower interest rates to be at 2% or less along with the extending of grace period from 5 years and loan pay back period from 15 - 20 year would be a lot better - but expect not to borrow money to cover 100% of project since Thai government going to issue bonds and issue the mutual funds for land exappropriation and for construction since exchange rate risk is the greater concern for Thai government.

For the first section (Bangsue Central - Kaeng Khoi - Klong 19 - Chachoengsao - Pataya - Maptaphut, the construction started in October 2015 to be done in 30 month while the second section (Kaeng Khoi - Pak Chong - Khorat - Nong Khai will be started in early 2016 and done in 36 months.

Thailand will take at least half of responsibility on Thai - China railway project including land exappropriation, EIA, Civil work other than the jobs since Thailand is an owner of the project
On the other hand, China will take responsibility on tunnel digging, signal and traffic control installation, fast platelaying with concrete sleepers at the same time by Chinese contractors and Thai subcontractors along with the initial survey, design and maintenance center will be done by Chinese contractors first before transferring the jobs to Thai contractors. the new assembly line for rolling stock also has to be handled by Chinese firms.

There will be a field survey on Nong Khai raiway yard to see whether it is appropriate to construction high speed train station just before going across mekhong with the new railway bridge in parallel with existing First Thai - Lao Friendship Bridge.

For Thai - Japan railway, now it is up to the decision for Japanese government to decide which route is to be executed first including:
1. Mae Sod - Tak - Phitsanuloke - Khon Kaen (Ban Phai) - Mukdahan - 770 km
2. Phu Namron - Kanchanaburi - Bangsue Central - Maptaphut with a branch line to Aranyaprathet - 339 km
3. Bangsue Central - Phitsanuloke - Chiang Mai - 653 km

Let's see the agreement with Japan on 17 Feb 2015 before the final decision on Thai - Japan railway project by the end of 2015 though
http://manager.co.th/Daily/ViewNews....=9580000020208
http://manager.co.th/Politics/ViewNe...=9580000020009
https://www.facebook.com/NOW26TV/pho...06320062860953
https://www.facebook.com/NOW26TV/pho...197210/?type=1
http://www.chaoprayanews.com/2015/02...8%A3%E0%B9%88/
http://news.voicetv.co.th/thailand/168525.html
http://www.thairath.co.th/content/481677
http://thaipublica.org/2015/02/the-t...ail-system-14/
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http://www.thanonline.com/index.php?...4#.VONnefmUfpm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=R1wGEaFNWNY
http://www.dailynews.co.th/Content/e...B8%B2%E0%B8%87
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Old February 20th, 2015, 04:49 AM   #248
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Khun Codename B, you better make an English translation of those scanned and captured info from Khun Marut - in the way I have done here:
http://2bangkokforum.com/showthread....7028#post47028
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Can you post yours here krub? I'm really not good at translating thai to english.
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Can you post yours here krub? I'm really not good at translating thai to english.


Donmueang station - almost Donmueang Central by any standard
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


First phase will have red line commuter only
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

People of Prempracha community including Thaninthorn village gone mad after learning that ITD is going to demolish Kasem Udomphan flyover across railway track to make the way for red line commuter along with the issue of road damage, dust from construction site, and the cracked and subsided houses due to the vibration. The U-turn ITD is going to make to replace Kasem Udomphan flyover cannot be used by Bicycle and pedestrians at all ...
http://www.thairath.co.th/content/481902





Second phase will have both Airport Link extension and High Speed train station to form Donmueang Central
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

People asking for explanation about the extra works since they never want to take a tax burden to finance the extra works for red line commuter
http://www.now26.tv/view/35963/%E0%B...%E0%B9%88.html




Rangsit station after rearrangement with 4th track
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
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Chatuchak station at km 11 after rearrangement with 4th track
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


Wat Samian Naree station after rearrangement with 4th track
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


Bangkhen station after rearrangement with 4th track
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


Thung Song Hong station after rearrangement with 4th track
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


Laksi station after rearrangement with 4th track
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


Karn Keha km 19 station after rearrangement with 4th track
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater




Lak Hok station after rearrangement with 4th track
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
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During the discussion with 200 local people along red line commuter at Donmueang room, Miracle Grand Hotel, SRT insisting that after the rearrangement to add the 4th track and stretching the platform of Bangsue Central from 230 meter o 630 meter, red line commuter networks will be opened by the end of 2018 - Contract 1 is 17.87 % done while Contract 2 is 32.41% done while the 3rd contract is up to bargaining as Mitsubishi - Sumitomo and Hitachi insisting that they can cut down the price up to 35 billion Baht while SRT demand the cut to 30 billion Baht
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1424167945
http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detai...sid=1424152928
http://www.bangsue-rangsitredline.com/pr9.php
http://news.voicetv.co.th/thailand/168351.html
http://www.thaipost.net/news/180215/103160
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 06:26 AM   #252
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Plan for Bangsue Central can be seen here Scanned by Khun Marut
http://www.otp.go.th/index.php/proje...1825-itsi.html
https://www.facebook.com/marut28/med...6592051&type=1





the first floor with the grey zone for the connection with Bangsue Subway station
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


the second floor with Intercity and red line Commuter train level - Bangsue Station Master office will be on the second floor
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater



the 3rd floor with Standard gauge line and Airport Link extension - 400 meter long platform for High Speed and 250 meter long platform for Airport Link
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater





Bangsue Central building after modification
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater



In the new version of Bangsue Central Scanned by Khun Marut - the 3rd floor is for High Speed train as well as Airport Link extension - this has effectively simplified the yard on the Bangsue Central building as shown here
On the 3rd floor, 4 platforms will be assigned for the Southern standard gauge train 6 platforms will be assigned for Northern and Northeastern standard gauge lines and 2 platforms will be assigned for Eastern line standard gauge including Airport Link extension
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


the arrangement from the 1st floor to the 3rd floor including Mezzanine level
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


My Goodness, it must be 10 tracks on Bangsue Central
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

More details about the readjustment of Bangsue Central by Khun Marut
https://www.facebook.com/marut28/med...6592051&type=1
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 06:05 PM   #253
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Fast track EIA on 873 km Thai - China railway to get it down within 6 months to be eligible for 2% annual interest loan from China EXIM Bank
China Railway Construction Corporation (CRCC) handled the survey on Bangsue Central - Kaeng Khoi - Klong 19 - Chachoengsao - Maptaphut
China Railway Engineering Corporation (CREC) handled the survey on Kaeng Khoi - Nakhon Ratchasima - Nong Khai
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1424670437
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 07:52 PM   #254
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In other words the sooner the better,
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In other words the sooner the better,
However, the turbulence on FOREX has compelled Thai government to borrow from domestic sources since the FOREX fluctuation cost even more than higher annual interest rates from domestic sources.
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Old March 5th, 2015, 12:21 PM   #257
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Illustration by Khun ChAiNaRaI for how each tracks will be shared by different systems.

They are: SRT Dark Red line (Commuter), Standard gauge train (HSR), Meter gauge train (SRT), Airport Rail Link (ARL) and freight train.

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Full benefit from Thai - China railway - while asking for 50 million Baht for railway from Hatyai to Pak bara -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=fIRrSvR5NFI
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Honestly I'm quite underwhelmed by the planned Bang Sue station. Not only there seems to be zero improvement to the surroundings except green spaces with questionable utility, but more importantly the station doesn't put much thoughts on service integration and inter-modality.

The most striking to me are separate concourses for HSR and commuter rail, that will result in transferring passengers having to go down from 3rd to 1st and then back to 2nd floor, with obvious bad effects on transfer time and passenger circulation. It also isn't really clear to me if HSR trains will be able to continue south on the Airport link, because if not it will add a (quite avoidable IMHO) transfer and in both cases the location of the Airport link platform (on the side of the station rather than in center), is less than ideal in terms of both station throat conflicts and transfer time.

Additionally, regardless of the above, the station could use another mezzanine between the upper and lower track levels, shortening transfers between both the upper-level platforms themselves and HSR and commuter rail platforms.
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Honestly I'm quite underwhelmed by the planned Bang Sue station. Not only there seems to be zero improvement to the surroundings except green spaces with questionable utility, but more importantly the station doesn't put much thoughts on service integration and inter-modality.

The most striking to me are separate concourses for HSR and commuter rail, that will result in transferring passengers having to go down from 3rd to 1st and then back to 2nd floor, with obvious bad effects on transfer time and passenger circulation. It also isn't really clear to me if HSR trains will be able to continue south on the Airport link, because if not it will add a (quite avoidable IMHO) transfer and in both cases the location of the Airport link platform (on the side of the station rather than in center), is less than ideal in terms of both station throat conflicts and transfer time.

Additionally, regardless of the above, the station could use another mezzanine between the upper and lower track levels, shortening transfers between both the upper-level platforms themselves and HSR and commuter rail platforms.
There is a reason why the new design has to make separate levels for High Speed train and commuter train. It is reduction of complexity to cut down the cost which already become cost overrun by endless delays and endless demands. Why ask more if it is the way to cut down the cost when extra works have come?
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