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Old March 9th, 2015, 08:39 PM   #261
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Thailand Railway Infrastructure Projects
20/03/2015


http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1426668355

Double Tracking - Meter Gauge - 2,529 km - (120 km/h)
Speed for passenger train will be 100 km/h
Speed for freight train will be 60 km/h


Phase I - 903 km (2014-2018)
Bidding this year
  1. Chachoengsao - Klong 19 - Kaeng Koi (106 km) : waiting for approval
  2. Thanon Jira Juncton - Khon Kaen (185 km) : waiting for approval
  3. Prachuab Khirikhan - Chumporn (167 km) : waiting for approval
  4. Lopburi - Paknam Pho (148 km) : waiting for EIA
  5. Map Krabao - Nakhon Ratchasima - Thanon Jira Junction (132 km) : waiting for EIA
  6. Nakhon Pathom - Hua Hin (165 km) : waiting for EIA

Phase II - 1,626 km (2015-2020)
EIA to be completed at the end of the year
  1. Hua Hin - Prachuab Kiri Khan (90 km)
  2. Pak Nampho - Denchai (285 km)
  3. Thanon Jira Junction - Ubon Ratchathani (309 km)
  4. Khon Kaen - Nongkhai (174 km)
  5. Chumphon - Surat Thani (167 km)
  6. Surat Thani - Songkhla (339 km)
  7. Hat Yai - Padang Besar (45 km) : electrified to connect with Malaysia
  8. Denchai - Chiang Mai (217 km)

Phase III (2016-2020)
  1. Denchai - Chiang Khong (246 km)
  2. Surat Thani - Phang Nga - Phuket (163 km)
  3. Phetchabun - Loei - Nong Bua Lamphu - Chaiyaphum (n/a)
  4. Nakhon Sawan - Kamphaeng Phet - Tak - Mae Sod (n/a)

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Mid Speed Train - Electrified Standard Gauge - 4,035 km - (180 km/h)
For passenger trains the maximum speed will be 200 km/h. For freight train the maximum speed will be 120 km/h
The track will be built to be able to handle a speed up to 350 km/h and can be upgraded to HSR later on, when there is enough deman
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Phase I - 873 km (2015-2018) - Joint Thai-Chinese railway
  1. Bangkok - Kaeng Khoi (133 km) : Construction September 2015
    Kaeng Khoi - Map Ta Phut (246.5 km)
  2. Kaeng Khoi - Nakhon Ratchasima (138.5 km) : Construction December 2015
    Nakhon Ratchasima - Nong Khai (355 km)

Phase II - 3,361 km (2016-20??) - Joint Thai-Japanese railway
Japan will choose one or more routes at the end of the year, when design studies for these routes are done.
It is expected that Japan will choose one of these three routes first or all of them.
  1. Bangkok - Chiang Mai (715 km) : Design study to be done Q4/2015
  2. Kanchanaburi - Laem Chabang & Bangkok - Aranyaprathet (635 km) : Design study to be done Q4/2015
  3. Tak - Mukdahan (700 km) : Design study to be done Q4/2015

    Other routes still under design phase
  4. Pak Para Deep Seaport - Songkhla Seaport (142 km) : Design study to be done Q4/2015
  5. Bangkok - Padang Besar (970 km) : Thailand is in talks with Malaysia about how this line will be linked at the border.

High Speed Train - 414 km - (200-350 km/h)
Thailand's largest business groups including the Charoen Pokphand group (CP) and Thai Beverage Plc are interested in co-investing with the government in the high-speed rail routes linking Bangkok with tourist destinations.
  1. Bangkok - Hua Hin (193 km) : Investment plan will be given to the cabinet in May. Bidding this year.
  2. Bangkok - Pattaya - Rayong (221 km) : Investment plan will be given to the cabinet in May. Bidding this year.
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Now, even the billionaire Thanin of CP and Billionaire Charoen of Thai Bev going to invest in this Hua Hin - Pataya High Speed train project during the ceremony for second subway tunnel - However, the decision on that Bangsue Central - Pataya / Bangsue Central - Hua Hin will be decided in May 2015 - the fares of the High Speed train in question may not be attractive so, the land development around the high speed train stations are in need - Thai bev already hoard the land around Hua Hin area while CP have money to burn and BTSC has both experience on running mass transit and real estate business.
http://www.manager.co.th/iBizChannel...=9580000027943
http://www.posttoday.com/%E0%B8%98%E...B8%B5%E0%B9%89
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1425888956
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1425898836
http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_newson...PQ==&subcatid=

still raise a concern on Chinese loan despite of the appeal from Chinese government
http://news.voicetv.co.th/thailand/176970.html

Still raise a concern on High Speed train project - better invest on eliminating rural poverty instead
http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_newson...MxTlE9PQ%3D%3D
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Old March 10th, 2015, 12:15 AM   #263
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CP, ThaiBev eye high-speed rail routes
9 Mar 2015 at 15:48
WRITER: PATSARA JIKKHAM

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha has confirmed a number of Thailand's largest business groups including the Charoen Pokphand group (CP) and Thai Beverage Plc are interested in co-investing with the government in the high-speed rail routes linking Bangkok with tourist destinations.

Thai media quoted Arkhom Termpittayapaisith, secretary general of the National Economic and Social Development Board, as saying earlier that some Thai conglomerates were in talks as a group with the government to invest in the Bangkok-Hua Hin and Bangkok-Pattaya-Rayong routes.

In addition to the agribusiness conglomerate CP group and Chang brewer Thai Beverage, industrial estate operator Amata Corporation Plc, consumer products giant Saha Group and skytrain operator Bangkok Mass Transit System Plc were said to be interested.

Gen Prayut checks out the model of the tunnel's cross section.

"Talks are still in progress and they will team up [as a consortium]," Gen Prayut said.

Asked whether CP and ThaiBev could invest together since their businesses are so different, Gen Prayut said: "It doesn't matter. They can borrow. They don't use their own money. I don't know how many have joined [the consortium]. They'll borrow both locally and abroad and invest with the government.

"We'll then talk about the ratio: whether it's 70:30 or 50:50 investment or a share of benefits under the concession model. Since it takes hundreds of billions (of baht), they'll look for an appropriate offer. In any case, a conclusion must be reached this year," said Gen Prayut.

The 211-kilometre Bangkok-Hua Hin route requires an investment of 98.4 billion baht. It is in the process of seeking approval for the environment impact assessment (EIA). The 196km Bangkok-Pattaya-Rayong route, costing 152 billion, has just completed the EIA.

The premier on Monday launched the eastbound tunnel boring machine for the Tha Phra cut and cover tunnel, which will cross the Chao Phraya River. It is part of the Sanam Chai-Tha Phra extension of the Blue Line.

The 27km Blue line runs from Hua Lamphong-Bang Khae and Bang Sue-Tha Phra. Of the total length, 22km are elevated.

"The Blue Line will be completed by the third quarter of 2018 and the Purple Line will begin a trial run this year," Gen Prayut said.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/gene...ed-rail-routes
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Old March 13th, 2015, 04:29 PM   #264
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Joint Thai-Chinese railway plan on track, says minister
JIRASAK WONGKAMJAN
THE NATION March 13, 2015 1:00 am

THAILAND and China are expected to finish surveying the routes and designing the dual-track railway on time, Transport Minister Prajin Juntong said yesterday. The Thailand-China joint committee held its third meeting on developing the standard-gauge (1.435 metre) railroad linking Kunming in China with Vientiane in Laos and Bangkok and Map Ta Phut in Thailand.

The survey and design for Phase 1 (Bangkok-Kaeng Khoi, Saraburi) and Phase 2 (Kaeng Khoi-Map Ta Phut) are scheduled to be completed by August by China Railways Corporation and China Railway Construction Corporation.

The survey and design of Phase 3 (Kaeng Khoi-Nakhon Ratchasima) and Phase 4 (Nakhon Ratchasima-Nong Khai) is scheduled to be completed by December by the two Chinese corporations.

All parties will set up field offices this month to oversee construction.

The project will be divided into three parts:

 Basic infrastructure - track-laying and power-supply work will be undertaken by Thailand;

 Hilly terrain - advanced technology and the railway signalling system will be the responsibility of China;

 Operations and maintenance - will be handled by both countries.

A joint venture will be set up to divide the work into three phases.

In the first three years, China will take responsibility for train operations and rolling stock.

In the next four years, Thailand and China will work together.

After the seventh year, Thailand will be solely responsible for the entire operation, with China serving as an adviser. China has agreed to Thailand's proposal for China to provide training to staff from entry to high levels and technology transfer to the Transport Ministry, State Railway of Thailand and the private sector.

Short-term courses of three to six months, or four to eight months, will begin in August. Mid-term courses of 1-1.5 months start in October. Long-term courses of one year or more will kick off this year.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/busi...-30255891.html
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Old March 14th, 2015, 04:31 PM   #265
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Glorious progress.

It's great to see these get underway. I hope this network is eventually tied into the HSRs linking Thailand to China. I would love to venture through SE Asia from Southern China via HSR.
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The first two lines will be be constructed to link with Laos and Kunming in mind. I think Laos is going to begin building their section next year.

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The first two lines will be be constructed to link with Laos and Kunming in mind. I think Laos is going to begin building their section next year.

What source do you have to confirm the Laos section will start next year?
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What source do you have to confirm the Laos section will start next year?
Well, after the negotiation with Thailand on the railway from Bangsue Central to Nong Khai with a branch line from Kaeng Khoi to Map Ta Phut, the next on the line will force the negotiation on 7200 Million Dollar loan for Lao - China railway soon
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I for one can't wait to see tangible progress on the line from the Kunming side.
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I'm surprised that China only managed to secure such a small portion of the Thai HSR project compare to the Japanese.
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Some of the other HSR lines were presented to China for consideration too, however they were only interested in those two lines, mainly because those lines are consistent with China's plan to connect with ASEAN.

For the Joint Thai-Japanese railway, it is not final yet, which route or how many routes Japan will choose, they have till the end of the year, when the studies for these lines are done to give their answer.

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China and Japan plan to build rail lines in Thailand
Published: Wed, 2015-03-11 08:00

New rail investors to come to Thailand

Chinese and Japanese companies to bid for the contracts, for the building of railways in Thailand, according to press-service of the Chinese government.
According to a proposal of Chinese investors, a new rail line will link the port of Rayong to the border with Laos. At the same time, according to plans of Japanese companies, the new rail line will cross the country from east to west and connect Bangkok with the border towns of Thailand. In addition, both China and Japan declared their intention to build high-speed rail lines in Thailand.

In the case of China, implementation of railways projects will help the company to strengthen its economic influence in Asia, while Japan to create conditions for the further development of the Japanese business in Thailand, taking into account a significant number of Japanese companies, doing business in Thailand.

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Sino-Thai railway operating agreement
13 Mar 2015

THAILAND: An operating model for the planned 872 route-km standard gauge north-south corridor was agreed at a meeting of Chinese and Thai officials in Bangkok on March 12.

The first of four civil works packages worth a total of 328bn baht (US$10bn) would be implemented from September with a view to the project being completed by March 2018. The four packages cover sections from Kaeng Khoi to Bangkok (133 km), Kaeng Khoi to Map Ta Phut near Rayong (246 km), Kaeng Khoi to Nakhon Ratchasima (138 km) and Nakhon Ratchasima to the border town of Nong Khai (355 km).

Under the latest accord, China would run the new railway unilaterally for the first three years of operation. A Thai-led joint venture would then assume responsibility during a three-year transitional period; Thai national railway SRT would hold a 30% stake, private investors from Thailand a further 30%, and Chinese agencies the remainder. One potential stumbling block could be the rates of interest offered by China for loans to fund civil works. The financing arrangements are to be finalised at a summit in Kunming in May.

According to the preliminary details, Thailand will be responsible for the civil works, and Chinese companies for tunnel construction, track and signalling installation and supply of the rolling stock. The railway is intended for mixed-traffic operation, and maximum operating speed would be 180 km/h.

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Investment return and EIA for two high-speed rail line Bangkok - Pattaya & Bangkok - Hua Hin will be accelerated and are expected to be concluded in two weeks.

Bidding for these two lines will be accelerated to be done before the next election on February 2016.

http://www.thairath.co.th/content/487917
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I'm surprised that China only managed to secure such a small portion of the Thai HSR project compare to the Japanese.
What do you mean? DID Japanese investors are going to get the big chunk? Well, It is up to their own decision to pick the first section to start Thai - Japan railway though ... as it is likely to be the line from Phu Namron checkpoint to Aranyaprathet via Bangsue Central though
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What do you mean? DID Japanese investors are going to get the big chunk? Well, It is up to their own decision to pick the first section to start Thai - Japan railway though ... as it is likely to be the line from Phu Namron checkpoint to Aranyaprathet via Bangsue Central though
Well, I was just going with what Codename B posted several posts up. It appears that the Chinese portion is only 873km while the Japanese got 3,361km.

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Phase I - 873 km (2015-2018) - Joint Thai-Chinese railway
Bangkok - Kaeng Khoi (133 km) : Construction September 2015
Kaeng Khoi - Map Ta Phut (246.5 km)
Kaeng Khoi - Nakhon Ratchasima (138.5 km) : Construction December 2015
Nakhon Ratchasima - Nong Khai (355 km)

Phase II - 3,361 km (2016-20??) - Joint Thai-Japanese railway
Japan will choose one or more routes at the end of the year, when design studies for these routes are done.
It is expected that Japan will choose one of these three routes first or all of them.
Bangkok - Chiang Mai (715 km) : Design study to be done Q4/2015
Kanchanaburi - Laem Chabang & Bangkok - Aranyaprathet (635 km) : Design study to be done Q4/2015
Tak - Mukdahan (700 km) : Design study to be done Q4/2015

Other routes still under design phase
Pak Para Deep Seaport - Songkhla Seaport (142 km) : Design study to be done Q4/2015
Bangkok - Padang Besar (970 km) : Thailand is in talks with Malaysia about how this line will be linked at the border.
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Well, I was just going with what Codename B posted several posts up. It appears that the Chinese portion is only 873km while the Japanese got 3,361km.
This plan has missing a huge southern part which is also in China's plan to link to Singapore. So that might add up in the future. I'm sure China is in the better position to build that line once the project is coming up. (Actually there is already a separate high speed train project linking to Huahin , but it's still not clear if it's going to be shared with this plan or not)

To be fair, those 3 lines which got proposed to Japanese government. Only 2 lines is feasible enough to be build within this 10 years (West to East line, and Northern line). The West - North eastern line is totally new and never been studied before. Hence nobody knows if it's going to be done anytime soon. I doubt it will get pushed much, since there is not much demand yet, and the link to neighbor country (Myanmar on the left and Laos on the right) is unlikely to be real anytime soon. As oppose to the Northern line which link to Thailand 2nd largest city Chaingmai, and West-East line which link between Dawei seaport and Map ta put seaport.

My gut feeling tells me that both countries will get the same amount of work in the end, when everything is set and done.

Unless the new comer like German and French which start to negotiate with the government will have any influence...
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This plan has missing a huge southern part which is also in China's plan to link to Singapore. So that might add up in the future. I'm sure China is in the better position to build that line once the project is coming up. (Actually there is already a separate high speed train project linking to Huahin , but it's still not clear if it's going to be shared with this plan or not)

To be fair, those 3 lines which got proposed to Japanese government. Only 2 lines is feasible enough to be build within this 10 years (West to East line, and Northern line). The West - North eastern line is totally new and never been studied before. Hence nobody knows if it's going to be done anytime soon. I doubt it will get pushed much, since there is not much demand yet, and the link to neighbor country (Myanmar on the left and Laos on the right) is unlikely to be real anytime soon. As oppose to the Northern line which link to Thailand 2nd largest city Chaingmai, and West-East line which link between Dawei seaport and Map ta put seaport.

My gut feeling tells me that both countries will get the same amount of work in the end, when everything is set and done.

Unless the new comer like German and French which start to negotiate with the government will have any influence...
The long term plan would be to link Vietnam in the east to Bangladesh in the west.

Of course all countries along the route would the route would need to see something tangible , up and running first.

Both the Japanese and the Chinese would have their hands full with their current commitments so the southern link is up for grabs.

Until the KL to Sin link gets underway nothing will happen.
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Look at the map. A HSR Nanning-Hanoi-Vientiane looks like it could make sense.
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Look at the map. A HSR Nanning-Hanoi-Vientiane looks like it could make sense.
Lots of Moutain along Xiang Kwang, Hua Phan, and Sam Nuea have made direct route very difficult so the northern connection from Vinh to Tha Khaek before heading to Viengchan capital would be better choice






Now, we do learn from those who live in Sawankhaloke district of Sukhothai that not all people of Sukhothai are happy with High Speed train as the section from Phitsanulok to Chiang Mai via Sukhothai need land exappropriation as the section from Phitsanuloke to Lampang via Sukhothai requires land exappropriation in Mueang district, Sukhothai district and Sri Satchanalai station and there is no station to connect with Sawankhaloke terminus of Sawankhaloke branch line which has a lot more people but have a station at Sri Satchanalai which is more like the beetroot station rather than viable station.

Worse, the land exappropriation has gobbled the arable land owned by farmer families for generations without a station or good payment in return so the protest ensues.
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