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Old March 22nd, 2015, 01:32 PM   #301
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How many links does Yunnan need? Kunming-Guiyang? Kunming-Nanning? Kunming-Chongqing? Kunming-Chengdu? Which of these are excessive?
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In terms of high speed lines there are only four U/C

Kunming-Gui Yang

Kunming- Nanning

Kunming - Dali

Kunming -Yuxi

Kunming - Dali will extend to the border with Burma

Kunming - Yuxi will extend to the border with Laos

completion of phase one is 2017 2016 for the first two.

That is more than enough

But creating a high speed railway from Thailand to Danang does nothing to connect Vietnam. Rather, it cuts Vietnam in three, as Central Vietnam will have its separate connections.

Got that one right Vietnam is already divided into three pieces

connect all three together and separately to china, cambodia and thailand

we really should take this discussion to a thread dedicated to HSR Vietnam but there are no lines u/C planned or even proposed.

the logical option the nanning, hanoi link isnt even on the drawing boards.

a sub HSR rail link would do fine in the interim.

down the line if freedom of navigation cannot be guaranteed in the south china sea, such links would be very handy.
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Easy there are three major seaports in Haiphong near Hanoi the one near Saigon and Danang near Hue.

Also the end of the proposed west to east line in Thailand finishes near that areay .

at first i couldn't understand why build such a line but if you join da nang to the seaport in burma you could move freight point to point going around the straights of malacca and south china sea.

hue is also the center of the tourist trade any rail link would need to pass through the two and it is heavily populated more so than vinh you have hoi an directly south.

in hindsight if the thais can get the vietnamese and burmese to sign on with japanese help that line would be very important more so freight
finally disposble incomes are higher in the hue hoi an area. poor roads mean cars are
not a good option
that's exactly the reason for 220 km line from Savannakhet to Lao Bao and from lao Bao can be connected with Vietnam and the other 40 km in Vietnam to connect with the nearest railway station in Vietnam if not our right to the port and it would justify the construction of Ban Phai - Mukdahan to connect with that r 220 km line from Savannakhet to Lao Bao
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Old March 23rd, 2015, 08:38 PM   #303
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Old March 23rd, 2015, 09:14 PM   #304
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that's exactly the reason for 220 km line from Savannakhet to Lao Bao and from lao Bao can be connected with Vietnam and the other 40 km in Vietnam to connect with the nearest railway station in Vietnam if not our right to the port and it would justify the construction of Ban Phai - Mukdahan to connect with that r 220 km line from Savannakhet to Lao Bao
Makes sense to have not only a north - south line to connect the ASEAN countries but also a east - west line as well. Logical such a line would connect the south china sea and andaman sea .
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Vinh is on South China Sea.
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Old March 23rd, 2015, 09:26 PM   #306
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PM considers support for Lao Bao economic zone

Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung and authorities from the central province of Quang Tri considered extending their support to the Lao Bao special economic-trade zone (LBZ) during a working session in Hanoi on November 10.

On a total area of 15,804ha, the LBZ lies at the starting point of the East-West economic corridor, which is the shortest and preferred route for trade, tourism and services between Laos, Thailand, Myanmar and other countries in the Greater Mekong Sub-region.

As a State-run organisation, the LBZ has enjoyed a number of governmental preferential policies, but it is facing a number of obstacles.

The PM also asked the province to devise a full plan for La Lay international economic border zone and agreed in principle to offer assistance for infrastructure development.

He asked Quang Tri to capitalise on its strength, including the Road 9 linking with Laos, the National Highway 1 and the North-South railway in a bid to develop its economy.

Quang Tri is one of the two poorest localities in the central region, with a household poverty rate of 12-13 percent, doubling the nation’s average.-VNA
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Savannakhet-Lao Bao railway to start constructing by 2015

Construction of a 220-km dual track standard gauge electrification railway project with US$5 billion from Savannakhet to Lao Bao, Vietnam border, is due to take shape by 2015 and expected to be completed in 2018, according to the official Lao News Agency.
This was announced at a press conference in Vientiane on Friday, attended by Director General of Investment Promotion Department, Ministry of Planning and Investment, Achong Laomao, and Malaysian ambassador to Laos Dato Than Tai Hing.

The concessionaire of the construction of Savannakhet to Lao Bao Railway is the Giant Consolidated Limited of Malaysia through Giant Rail Company Limited (Laos).

The Savannakhet to Lao Bao Railway will be the backbone of the country’s railway logistics. This construed as finally contributing to realization of Lao leaders’ ideas and vision of linking East West Economic Corridor (EWEC) involving railway route from Myanmar-Thailand-Laos and ending with the construction of My Thuy Deep Sea Port at Dong Ha in Quang Tri province, Vietnam.

Directly strategizing the landlocked Lao PDR with the Sea Port will not only for spurning Laos’ import and export economic activities but consolidating EWEC integration as well as proposing an appropriate development direction in order to stimulate the economics growth of the Mekong sub-region effectively by transforming Laos into a land-linked nation. The project is expected to cost worth USD5 billion and expected to be complete by 2018.
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Vinh is on South China Sea.
Vinh like Hue is actually inland, in the latter case 16 kms to be exact.

In Vinh's case it could be a similiar distance. Unlike the case of Da Nang where it actually contour the coastline .


Dong Hai is the deep water port U/C
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PM considers support for Lao Bao economic zone
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Savannakhet-Lao Bao railway to start constructing by 2015
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PM considers support for Lao Bao economic zone - already in Nov 2014 - any progress?
http://en.vietnamplus.vn/Home/PM-con...1/57795.vnplus
http://www.vietnambreakingnews.com/2...economic-zone/

Savannakhet-Lao Bao railway to start constructing by 2015 - already published since mid 2014
http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/sav...structing-2015
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Could Thailand Become the Transport Hub of Indochina?
New agreements to upgrade the country’s rail network could make Thailand a major regional transportation hub.
By Shang-su Wu
March 24, 2015

Thailand has signed bilateral agreements with China and Japan to build two railway trunk lines across the country. One line, to be built with Chinese loans and technology, will link Bangkok and Map Ta Phut in the south through Laos to Kunming, Yunnan, in the north. The second line, to be built with Japanese capital and technology, will cross several countries on the west to east axis, from Dawei in Myanmar through Bangkok to Phnom Penh in Cambodia and possibly Ho Chi Minh City and Vung Tau in Vietnam. The two rail systems, plus other international lines currently being planned, will turn Bangkok into a major transportation hub while enhancing Thailand’s connectivity with China, Japan and ASEAN.

The Bangkok-Kunming railway line is scheduled to commence next year and be completed in 2020, covering a distance of 734 km in Thailand at an estimated cost of $12 billion. In contrast, The Dawei-Phnom Penh line is still being studied, but the section between Thailand and Myanmar would be built first to accommodate the upcoming project of the Dawei Special Economic Zone (SEZ). The two lines are to be financed by Chinese and Japanese loans at relatively low interests. Thailand will have to purchase trains, signal systems and other related facilities from China and Japan separately. Both lines will be of standard gauge (1.435 m), which will allow the trains to run at speeds of up to 160-180 kph.

Faster Trains

In fact it was the need for that kind of speed that caused the Thai government to seek foreign capital and technology to improve its Bangkok-based railway network. The existing State Railway of Thailand (SRT), which has been struggling with poor financial performance, lacked the funds to invest in improved tracks, signal systems, and other facilities for better efficiency. With its relatively slow speed and less frequent services the SRT has faced serious challenges from the expanding networks of highways and super-highways in Thailand, not to mention aviation. Besides, the SRT’s narrow gauge (one meter) was not suitable to speeds beyond 120 kph, and unlikely to attain the high speed of standard gauge trains of 160-200 kph. With sufficient capital and technology, investment in standard gauge would significantly improve the capacity and speed of the SRT. As the Bangkok-Kunming line is targeted about 160-180 kph and the Dawei-Phnom Penh line is planned to be in excess of 200 kph, they would be normal railway systems combining passenger and freight services with higher efficiency than the narrow gauge trains.

Balance of Power

The diverse foreign involvement in Bangkok’s new railway systems could be interpreted as an attempt by Thailand to keep an equal distance with Beijing and Tokyo. However, mountainous terrain and the longer total distance of 1,700 km will make the Kunming-Bangkok line more expensive to build. The railway will be less competitive than air transportation, especially by budget carriers. Moreover, compared to Guangdong and other Chinese coastal provinces, Yunnan is not a center of manufacture that would be served by the railway, and the more expensive freight trains would not fully replace existing sea transportation. However, Beijing is currently seeking to “export” infrastructure construction projects overseas, and a rail line to Bangkok will display its capability and set an example for the international community. In addition, the line has the potential to be extended to Thailand’s coast on the Indian Ocean, creating an alternative route to the Malacca Strait. Finally, the line will pass through Laos, allowing both China and Thailand to increase their influence in that country.

Meanwhile, the east-west line benefits from relatively plain terrain that will mean lower construction costs. The shorter distances between major cities will make the rail competitive with highways and aviation, with the expectation of increased freight services from the growing economies of those countries. Moreover, the unprecedented connectivity among Cambodia, Myanmar and Thailand that would result would further integrate their economies. In addition, the project would serve Japan’s interest with greater investment in these three countries, and particularly Thailand.

Given that the Thai government’s plan calls for an upper east-west line, which connects Myanmar, Laos and Vietnam, as well as a southern line connecting Malaysia, the countries that will be assigned the contracts will further shape the balance of power on the tracks. To date, France, Germany and South Korea have expressed interest in Thailand’s projects.

Challenges

Despite the careful introduction of foreign capital and technology for its railway network, given that the projects involves the sovereignty of three states, delays, postponements, or even cancellations are possible due to political issues such as a change in government or territorial dispute. Other aspects of the cooperation, such as the interest rate on loans, could also be disputed. Construction of the new network could face difficulties associated with the integration of existing networks. Although the SRT’s 4000 km network of narrow gauge railways will also be modernized, the disconnection between the SRT and the new standard gauge system will be a significant challenge. More crucially, integrating Chinese, Japanese, and perhaps one or more third-party railway technologies, particularly signal and electric systems, will be another serious challenge for Thailand as the parties involved may not want to cooperate because of commercial concerns or national interests.

Nevertheless, if the challenges can be overcome and the international railway network in Indochina completed, Thailand, as the hub, would become more integrated economically and perhaps politically with its neighboring countries, enhancing connectivity and its role in ASEAN, as well as entrenching regional cooperation with China and Japan.

Shang-su Wu is a research fellow in the Military Studies Programme, a constitute unit of the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies (RSIS), Nanyang Technological University, Singapore.

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Could Thailand Become the Transport Hub of Indochina?
New agreements to upgrade the country’s rail network could make Thailand a major regional transportation hub.
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However, mountainous terrain and the longer total distance of 1,700 km will make the Kunming-Bangkok line more expensive to build. The railway will be less competitive than air transportation, especially by budget carriers. Moreover, compared to Guangdong and other Chinese coastal provinces, Yunnan is not a center of manufacture that would be served by the railway, and the more expensive freight trains would not fully replace existing sea transportation.
Meanwhile, the east-west line benefits from relatively plain terrain that will mean lower construction costs. The shorter distances between major cities will make the rail competitive with highways and aviation, with the expectation of increased freight services from the growing economies of those countries. Moreover, the unprecedented connectivity among Cambodia, Myanmar and Thailand that would result would further integrate their economies.
Precisely. Vientiane-Vinh-Hanoi-Nanning-Guangzhou would connect Thailand exactly to the coastal centres of manufacture, compared to Yunnan.
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Have you read this news yet?
For the issue on Lao - China railway, it will be a mix of joint venture (Lao investment at 840 Million US Dollar vs Chinese investment at 1260 Million US Dollar) + 5000 Million US Dollar loan with the settlement on Lao - China railway can be signed up in June 2015 before getting endorsement by National Parliament.
http://www.rfa.org/lao/economy/railr...015161902.html



Speed up the survey on the 417 km Lao - China railway in 5 provinces (Luang Namtha, Udomxai, Luang Phrabang, Viengchan, Viengchan capital) including the place of 5 major stations with connection to Thailand
http://kpl.gov.la/detail.aspx?id=2165
http://www.sedthakid.la/home/khao/22800.html
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Precisely. Vientiane-Vinh-Hanoi-Nanning-Guangzhou would connect Thailand exactly to the coastal centres of manufacture, compared to Yunnan.
Must be tiring beating the same drum again and again.

Maufacturing industries are steadily moving inland while the coastal regions are moving towards service related industries like finance, IT and e-commerce. AKAe FTZ in the PRD.

CQ is already a center a maufacturing center for electrical applicances exported overland to Europe by train the success of which lead to an expansion of that zone in CQ.

The reason they are building a direct line south to ASEAN is to cut the distance once that is done you simply relocate industries along that line.

The process is already underway once the opened the gas pipeline from Burma a few years heavy industry sprouted up along it.

In twenty years coastal manufacturing will be a thing of the past. It will be dispersed along the silk road . Once they start construction in Thailand the HSR route they are currently from KUnming well wait for it they will keep building it.

One thing I am sure of is that most people in Vietnam would rather have HSR link to the USA than to China. They are usually indifferent or apathetic to the prospect of Chinese INFLUENCE is their country.

The only reason the manufacturing was concentrated in the east was access to seaports and the absence of a high speed rail connections to the EU, Middle East and AEAN.

If Vietnam is linked to the east -west route to Dawei port in Burma if that is their intention then they will forgo any link from China across their country.

I expect the Japanese to offer to build any infrastructure there to keep the Chinese out.

With HSR annoucements being made on a daily basis Hanoi's silence is bellowing up and down SE Asia.

Ivory tower professors spend years working on theories to explain how the real world works.

Factors of production capital,labor, knowledgle etc are mobile or migratory they move to the area or region that offers the best return on investment manufacturing industry in particular tend to move from high cost to low cost .

The central government's long term plan is to disperse their manufacturing base across the country closer to markets subject to improvements in infrastructure, communications etc.

Once ASEAN is connected via Yunnan it opens up market opportunities CQ, Si Chuan even Gui Zhou etc.

They are building the line through Laos to connect Fujian to ASEAN but CQ and the upper reaches of the Yangtze river more precisely the industries in that area.

If the guy who wrote that article lived here he would know that.

finally an old proverb

" A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"

in this case the bird is Kunming - Vietianne HSR and the bush is Nanning - nowhere HSR.

Commencement on work on the KMG to BKK line is imminent.
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Shang-su Wu is a research fellow in the Military Studies Programme, a constitute unit of the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies (RSIS), Nanyang Technological University, Singapore.

He should know the ramifications on building HSR lines to the sensitive border areas here.

It would allow for a rapid military buildup by the PLA .

Considering the large formations in the province centered around Kunming and the need to deploy to any one of three border regions as well as terrain the military are going to insist such a link.

National security if nothing else. They often close down expressways when deploying convoys in that corridor.

Yunnan like Xin Jiang, Tibet are border provinces and are strategically important anything that increases the speed of movement of equipment and men is a positive.

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Yuxi - Mohan railway (玉磨铁路) with the distance of 507 km 13 stations and price tag of 51560 Million Yuan with the following list of stations
Yuxi West - 玉溪西
Asan Shan - 经峨山
Yan he - 研和
E Shan - 峨山
Louli 罗里
Yuan Jiang 元江
Mojiang 墨江
Ning Er 宁洱
Pu' er - 普洱 - 3 hours and 6 minute from Kunming
Mengyang 勐养
Jinghong City - 景洪市 - 3 hours and 42 minute from Kunming
Ganlanba - 橄榄坝
Menghai County 勐海县
Mengla County 勐腊县
Mohan Checkpoint 磨憨站
http://www.114piaowu.com/news/huochepiao/8375/
http://news.gaotie.cn/jianshe/2015-03-06/223261.html
http://www.globalview.cn/html/zhongguo/info_1692.html
http://www.yn.xinhuanet.com/puer/201..._134033185.htm
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Yuxi - Mohan railway (玉磨铁路) with the distance of 507 km 13 stations and price tag of 51560 Million Yuan with the following list of stations
Yuxi West - 玉溪西
Asan Shan - 经峨山
Yan he - 研和
E Shan - 峨山
Louli 罗里
Yuan Jiang 元江
Mojiang 墨江
Ning Er 宁洱
Pu' er - 普洱 - 3 hours and 6 minute from Kunming
Mengyang 勐养
Jinghong City - 景洪市 - 3 hours and 42 minute from Kunming
Ganlanba - 橄榄坝
Menghai County 勐海县
Mengla County 勐腊县
Mohan Checkpoint 磨憨站
http://www.114piaowu.com/news/huochepiao/8375/
http://news.gaotie.cn/jianshe/2015-03-06/223261.html
http://www.globalview.cn/html/zhongguo/info_1692.html
http://www.yn.xinhuanet.com/puer/201..._134033185.htm
Has the line survey work been completed?
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Not yet - wait until they call for contractors

3 choices for Japanese government to pick

1. Phu Namron - Kanchanaburi - Bangsue Central - Chachoengsao - Laem Chabang with a branch line to Aranyaprathet - 574 km - the shortest route with a link to Dawei deep sea port.
1.1 Bangsue Central - Kanchanaburi - Phu Namron Checkpoint - 180 km
1.2 Bangsue Central - Aranyaprathet - 255 km
1.3 Bangsue Central - Laem Chabang - 139 km

2. Bangsue Central - Phitsanuloke - Chiang Mai 680 km
3. Mae Sod - Tak - Phitsanuloke - Phetchabun - Khon Kaen (Ban Phai) - Roy Ed - Mukdahan 718 km.

this will be in use for discussion on 31 March 2015

For the issue of Thai - China railway with a branch line to Map Taphut at 873 km, the discussion with Lao government on the new railway bridge across Mekhong will be held on 3-4 April 2015
There are 4 +1 choice which need land exappropriation. However, the 5th choice is to follow the defunct section of Thai railway from Nong Khai (km 621 + 100) to Talad Nong Khai (623 + 500) before heading to the old ferry pier across mekhong (closed since 1994) which are Railway land - eliminating much of the land exappropriation cost to function as the railway bridge across Mekhong before heading to Tha Nalaeng and Viengchan Capital station. This is also a better choice as it is not too close to Wat Chom Manee temple near the foot of existing Friendship Bridge across Mekhong - Builing the new bridge too closed to the temple mean Thai government may have to build the new Wat Chommanee as a compensation
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Prajin sets double-rail deadline
27 Mar 2015 at 06:00 | WRITER: AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK

Transport Minister ACM Prajin Juntong has set a March 31 deadline to pave the way for Japanese-Thai development of a new double-track railroad, expected to link with the Dawei deep seaport project in Myanmar.

He said Thailand should be ready to discuss in detail a route in which Japan might be interested, and a government-to-government investment plan.

The two countries set March 31 for the next round of talks between the Thai Ministry of Transport and Japan's Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism.

"I'm confident the talks will see some progress," ACM Prajin said after chairing a meeting on the joint railway development project Thursday.

Japan has not decided which route it will fund or invest in, following the Prayut Chan-o-cha government's announcement it will develop three major routes that will link provinces in the western, northern, central and eastern regions.

However, ACM Prajin believes Japan is most likely to choose the Kanchanaburi-Bangkok-Aranyaprathet-Laem Chabang route and leave another two − Tak-Phitsanulok-Phetchabun-Khon Kaen-Roi Et-Mukdahan and Bangkok-Phitsanulok-Chiang Mai − for other countries.

One reason is the first route can be linked with the Dawei deep seaport mega-project which Japan has expressed an interest in helping Nay Pyi Taw develop.

Kanchaburi, which borders Myanmar, is seen as a door to the new port. The new rail route also links this western province with Laem Chabang, a key industrial estate in the eastern province of Chon Buri, as well as Aranyaprathet in Sa Kaeo that borders Cambodia in the far East.

Another reason is this railroad will connect Japan's industrial bases in Thailand along the route, ACM Prajin said.

However, he admitted March 31 will not be the day for Japan to announce a final decision because its representatives have no such authority.

"Our goal is to finalise this project this year because it may not occur if we have to wait for a new government," ACM Prajin said.

Earlier in February, ACM Prajin and Akihiro Ota, Japan's Minister of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism, signed the memorandum of intent on future cooperation on Thai railway development.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/gene...-rail-deadline
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