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Old March 30th, 2015, 01:45 AM   #321
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Old April 1st, 2015, 01:24 PM   #323
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Japanese said they are going to invest into 2 major lines:
1. Bangsue Central - Phitsanuloke - Chiang Mai - 680 km
2. Phu Namron - Kanchanaburi - Bangsue Central - Chachoengsao - Laem Chabang with a branch line to Aranyaprathet
2.1 Phu Namron - Kanchanaburi - Bangsue Central - 180 km - with a hope to connect with Dawei Deep sea port
2.2 Bangsue Central - Chachoengsao - Laem Chabang - 139 km
2.3 Bangsue Central - Chachoengsao - Aranyaprathet - 255 km

Sadly, Japanese government declines to invest on Maesod - Tak - Phitsanuloke - Phetchabun - Khon Kaen (Ban Phai) - Roy Ed - Mukdahan (718 km) since they need further studies.
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Old April 2nd, 2015, 01:39 AM   #324
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Japan-Thai project due for approval
1 Apr 2015 at 06:00 WRITER: AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK

Japan is likely to get Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha's approval to its plan to build two double-track rail routes running from Kanchanaburi to Sa Kaeo and from Bangkok to Chiang Mai, Transport Minister Prajin Juntong said.

The routes, which will be joint Japanese-Thai construction projects, will see new standard gauge railways of 1.435m linking provinces and major industrial areas in Thailand's westernmost and easternmost regions as well as the Thai capital and Chiang Mai, the tourist centre in the North.

The plan was unveiled yesterday by ACM Prajin after his meeting with Hiroshi Muto, Vice-Minister for Transport, Tourism and International Affairs of the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism to pave the way for the two countries' cooperation.

"Japan has strong intentions to construct both routes and it is likely to win approval," he said. "We're just waiting for the final say from Gen Prayut."

During the meeting, Mr Muto gave ACM Prajin a draft agreement on the two projects for consideration. It is due to be sent to Gen Prayut's cabinet in late April so a memorandum of understanding between the two countries can be written in May.

Then construction can begin as soon as next year, ACM Prajin added.

The prime minister said earlier that Thailand welcomes foreign countries which want to help develop its railroads, especially the Kanchanaburi-Bangkok-Aranyaprathet-Laem Chabang route.

ACM Prajin said that route is attractive to people from Tokyo because Kanchanaburi, which borders Myanmar, links Thai rail transport and the Dawei deep seaport project which Japanese authorities are interested in helping Nay Pyi Taw develop.

This line also runs past Japan's industrial bases in Thailand and the Laem Chabang industrial estate in Chon Buri before ending in Sa Kaeo's Aranyaprathet district, which is next to Cambodia.

Japan has also expressed interest in helping Thailand conduct studies of the Tak-Phitsanulok-Phetchabun-Khon Kaen-Roi Et-Mukdahan route, ACM Prajin said.

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Old April 2nd, 2015, 06:32 AM   #325
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1 Apr 2015 at 06:00 WRITER: AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK
Clear and obvious reasons for this Japanese government's decision:

1. Japanese communities in Chiang Mai and Sri Racha
2. Dawei Deep Sea Port

Hope that MOU will be signed in May 2015 according to schedules - with 8-12 month survey after MOU has been signed and the 4-year construction after the end of survey.

Phu Namron - Kanchanaburi - Bangsue Central - Chachoengsao - Laem Chabang with a branch line to Aranyaprathet will have a mixed use of both passengers and cargo - to load refined oil and industry products for export to Burma and Cambodia. On the other hand, section to Chiang Mai via Phitsanulok will have to focus on passengers

Thai - Japan railway would be financed by JICA loan and Japanese infrastructure funds.

Some interesting fact that Japanese government going to invest on the line to Phu Namron checkpoint and the line to Laem Chabang as electrified double track in meter gauge for the obvious reasons:
1. already have a meter gauge line to Kanchanaburi and Namtok (the good old Thai Burma railway)
2. the existing meter gauge to Laem Chabang Deep Sea Port which come to exist by JICA loan.
3. existing line to Aranyaprathet

This will effectively allow red line commuter to extend the service if they want to.
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Old April 3rd, 2015, 08:17 PM   #326
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After Japanese agree to invest on High Speed train from Bangsue Central to Chiang Mai via Phitsanuloke (his home town), he has urged to speed up the railway reforms to allow the High Speed train to Chiang Mai to be realized
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Old April 4th, 2015, 12:49 PM   #327
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After China got two of the rail lines due to begin construction this September.
Japan has also picked two rail lines. Construction for these lines will begin next year and MoU with Japan will be signed in May.
Survey and design study will take 8-12 months, while construction is expected to take 4 years.

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Joint Thai-Chinese Rail Projects - 873 km (2015-2018)
  1. Bangkok - Kaeng Khoi (133 km) : Construction in September 2015 (Electrified Standard Gauge 180km/h and above)
    Kaeng Khoi - Map Ta Phut (246.5 km)
  2. Kaeng Khoi - Nakhon Ratchasima (138.5 km) : Construction in December 2015 (Electrified Standard Gauge 180km/h and above)
    Nakhon Ratchasima - Nong Khai (355 km)
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Joint Thai-Japanese Rail Projects - 1.964 km (2016-2019)
  1. Bangkok - Chiang Mai (672 km) : Construction in 2016 (High Speed Train 250km/h and above)
  2. Bangkok - Kanchanaburi (180 km) : Construction in 2016 (Electrified Meter Gauge 160km/h)
    Bangkok - Laem Chabang (139 km)
    Bangkok - Aranyaprathet (255 km)
  3. Tak - Phitsanuloke - Phetchabun - Khon Khaen - Roi Et - Mukdahan (718 km) (No study yet on this line)
Red: Joint Thai-Chinese Rail
Blue: Joint Thai-Japanese Rail
White: Lines under study

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Old April 4th, 2015, 01:01 PM   #328
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Old April 9th, 2015, 06:04 AM   #329
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Japanese plan to bid for high speed train including the line to Chiang Mai or so
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Old April 12th, 2015, 10:57 AM   #330
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Old April 15th, 2015, 10:39 PM   #331
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Progress on High Speed train to Chiang Mai - as it got a boost from Japanese government to support this project
route surveying in late 2015, construction in late 2016 and done by the end of 2020. Need 7724 rai of land expropriation (1235.84 hectares) at 10,814 Million Baht -

OTP just submit the EIA on this Bangsue Central - Chiang Mai line with the distance of 672 km at 426,898 Million Baht with 12 stations with station design according to provincial identity - even the first section from Bangsue central to Phitsanuloke with the distance of 384 km need an investment of 212,893 Million Baht while the line passing 8 provinces ไระ้ 7 stations - all are at the same old station with exception is Lopburi station at Pa Wai (5 km south of existing Lopburi station) and Phichit station (2 km north of existing Phichit station) with the maintenance center at Chiang Rak - 67 km elevated tracks from Bangsue central to Ayutthaya with 4 km tunnel at Lopburi city section and 8.5 km elevated track on Pak Nampho - Beung Boraphet section - the rest is at grade with the height enough to deal with great flood like the flood of 2011

The other section is Phitsanuloke to Chiang Mai at 214,005 Million Baht on 285 km section with 5 stations - need the new track from Sukhothai to Lampang from the section beyond Highway 12 to pass Phrom Phiram (Phitsanuloke), Kong Krailat (Sukhothai) to pass Sri Samrong (Sukhothai), Sawankhaloke (Sukhothai), and Sisatchanalai (Sukhothai) before passing Wangchin (Phrae), Long (Phrae) before passing Highway 1023 and tunnel across Highway 11 to Mae Tha before heading to Lampang station - using the same old track from Nogn Wua Thao to Hang Chat before heading to the new way to Sala Mae Tha (Lamphun) before following the same old track at 10 km before reaching Lamphun station to terminate at the existing Chiang Mai station with the maintenance center at Chiang Mai. Sukhothai station will be 6 km from downtown Sukhothai city and Sisatchanalai is 3 km from downtown Sisatchanalai while the other 3 stations will be at the existing stations. The travel time will be 3 hours and 16 minute

There is a hope to get 24800 passengers a day with the highspeed cargo on the train just like Postal service of France that use TGV for express mail and to replace aviation cargo.

There is going to be 3 classes
1. VIP class at 200 Baht + 4 Baht per km fares with 3 seats per row -> 2900 Baht
2. VIP class at 100 Baht + 2.50 Baht per km fares with 4 seats per row
3. VIP class at 70 Baht + 1.50 Baht per km fares with 5 seats per row -> 1100 Baht

Note: I have expected the boycott from those from Sawankhaloke as there is no station to connect with the existing Sawankhaloke station while those from Uttaradit and Phrae boycott this high speed train line as it has a station at Sisatchanalai to please those Sukhothai faction at the expense of Uttaradit faction and Phrae faction. There is also a historical burden of those in Sawankhaloke district who used to be the main province until the change to Sukhothai district in 1940.

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Joint Thai-Japanese Rail Projects - 1.964 km (2016-2019)
  1. Bangkok - Chiang Mai (672 km) : Construction in 2016 (High Speed Train 250km/h and above)
  2. Bangkok - Kanchanaburi (180 km) : Construction in 2016 (Electrified Meter Gauge 160km/h)
    Bangkok - Laem Chabang (139 km)
    Bangkok - Aranyaprathet (255 km)
  3. Tak - Phitsanuloke - Phetchabun - Khon Khaen - Roi Et - Mukdahan (718 km) (No study yet on this line)




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Joint Thai-Chinese Rail Projects - 873 km (2015-2018)
  1. Bangkok - Kaeng Khoi (133 km) : Construction in September 2015 (Electrified Standard Gauge 180km/h and above)
    Kaeng Khoi - Map Ta Phut (246.5 km)
  2. Kaeng Khoi - Nakhon Ratchasima (138.5 km) : Construction in December 2015 (Electrified Standard Gauge 180km/h and above)
    Nakhon Ratchasima - Nong Khai (355 km)
Nakhon Ratchasima - Nong Khai Section











Bua Yai Station


Ban Phai Station


Khon Khaen Station


Udonthani Station


Nongkhai Station


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the only thing that need to change is that the Ban phai station for High Speed train must be 3 km North of existing Ban Phai station to function as junction for the line from Ban Phai to Nakhon Phanom via Mahasarakham, Roy Ed and Mukdahan- Furthermore, Need to find the new place for the bridge across Mekhong for Thai - Lao - China railway as the OTP proposal at 800-900 meter east of existing First Friendship Bridge has been found unsuitable - too closed to Wat Chommanee - and public park - need heavy land exappropriation on Thai side - need to negotiate with Lao side to accept the new place on railway land
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Bangkok - Chiang Mai

The speed will be no less than 250 km/h

Bangkok - Phitsanuloke
386 km
1 hour 40 minutes
640-1,700 baht (19-52 USD)

Bangkok - Chiang Mai
669 km
3 hour 20 minutes
1,100-2900 baht (33-89 USD)


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No, he didn't scrap it. It just goes by another name: Electrified Standard Gauge Railway

All lines will be built to handle a speed up to 350 km/h
However they will use mid speed train 180-200 km/h for joint thai-chinese rail to save cost, and because this line will also be used for cargo, but they can raise the speed, when there is enough demand.

Joint thai-japanese will use High speed train with speed of 250 km/h or above, since there is enough passenger demand to justify it, and doesn't have to wait for when there is enough passenger demand to raise the speed.

In addition the government is also mulling HSR with the private sector with starting speed of 250 km/h or above for Bangkok-Pattaya and Bangkok-Hua Hin line, since there is also enough passenger demand to justify it.
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Ok, seems sensible. I never understood the idea of Yingluck's government to offer high speed passenger transport routes linking Bangkok with the North and Northeast anyway. The northeastern region is populous, but it has very low urbanization, all the population is scattered in thousands of villages and a few small urban centres and purchasing power there is the lowest in Thailand. And a high speed rail ticket from Bangkok to Chiang Mai (the only significant city in the north) would cost more than a flight and be a lot slower.
for the case of Northern line, the way to please her men as she is coming from Chiang Mai.
For the case of Norther eastern line to Nong Khai, it is to connect with Lao - China railway and it is also the way to please Northern Isan voters.
There is a tug of war for the line to Ubon but it has been rejected because it has no international link.
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Maybe a bit on the optimistic side.
Just for comparison:
The high speed rail route Berlin-Düsseldorf in Germany, more or less 500 km with 8 stops, needs 4 1/2 hours and costs around 4000 baht.

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The German high speed rail segment of Deutsche Bahn is currently in the red because it lost many passengers to cheaper long distance buses.
This is Thailand, price and construction cost are cheaper.
Example. We don't pay the same price as western country for public transport, such as metro.
Prices will also be in this range to compete with low cost Airlines for the same distance.

The government know well that they will be making a loss at the beginning. Their aim is to encourage development in cities along the lines, following the japanese model, hence the joint thai-chinese railway will also be used to handle cargo to and from China.

The goal for Thai HSR is to achieve this. Create business, create cities and create income.
Japanese model.

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Maybe a bit on the optimistic side.
Just for comparison:
The high speed rail route Berlin-Düsseldorf in Germany, more or less 500 km with 8 stops, needs 4 1/2 hours and costs around 4000 baht.

PS:
The German high speed rail segment of Deutsche Bahn is currently in the red because it lost many passengers to cheaper long distance buses.
Well, you might want to take this into account when you want to justify this line.

* Labour cost here is a lot cheaper
* The initial investment is a lot cheaper (land, construction, etc)
* Train service is always designed to make profit from other stuff (land, office and shop space nearby station, etc) , not purely train service.
* Bangkok - Chiangmai alone has at least 5 millions foreigner tourist traveling between both cities. Excluding the local passenger.
* Just look at Bangkok metro system and compare to european country. It's already cheaper even with the same technology and system.

This Bangkok - Chiangmai line will run 'at least' 250km/h. Maybe around 300. With the express service, it won't stop at every station but the major one. So you should be able to reach the destination within 3 hours. Yes, it obvious that stopping at every station will make the travel time longer than that.
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The news on Thai rail projects are confusing. Will there be real high speed rail or not? I thought Prayut had scrapped all plans of the previous government and instead decided to build new routes with a speed limit of 180 km/h (which clearly is not high speed rail).
I'm not surprise, even for us it's still confusing at first because they don't make thing clear since the beginning. Mostly because the new government doesn't want to be seen as copying the same plan from the last one.

But as Codename-B explain. It's now more clear that all new standard gauge line will be built to support HSR spec (maximum of 350 km/h) with the one joint-venture with Chinese run 180 km/h train at first until demand is picking up, and one with Japanese run at 250+ km/h, and another one which is done via thai PPP will also be 250+ km/h.

Finally the plan is pretty similar to the last one. Except for only north-eastern line which get reduce to 180 for the initial phase due to demand and sharing with freight transport. And the way to finance the project, which originally will come from domestic loan, but now is the joint-venture between Thai government and Chinese/Japanese/Thai Company.
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