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Old April 21st, 2015, 03:36 PM   #361
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You don't have to become sarcastic.
The point in question is if the extra billions for high speed passenger rail, which, unlike freight transport or conventional rail passenger transport, is hardly an essential service, could not be spent on other more important projects in a middle-income country. If you want to build a house, you don't start with a golden roof. Thailand may be a borderline case, as it is a relatively developed country among the emerging economies - but Laos sure has other priorities than wasting 6 billion dollars on luxury rail (Laos' anual GDP is 10 billion dollars).
Its obvious for Loas that they have other priority and should not waste billions onto this project. Anyway last time I heard , Loas section will be just normal standard guage with maximum speed of 160 and no mentioning of upgradable option. Most of the cost will come from tunneling section which occupy most of the line.

Its an unfortunate case for Laos. They get pressured by Chinese government due to the connectivity to Asean plan. But this will not change anytime soon as many part of the country already get taken over by chinese merchant and business. At this rate it is just a matter of time before they get wholely swallow.

Thailand already try to play it safe by limit the initial speed. And co-investment with Chinese government will make sure we wont invest too much beyond our capability. Same as the rest of other HSR line which is all joint venture with third party. The only plan that fully fund by the government now is the upgrade of conventional train to be double track not HSR.
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Old April 22nd, 2015, 11:55 AM   #362
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Deputy Minister of Transport has reveal the progress of talks with the private sector with both CP and Thailand Beverage Plc, who are interested in two high-speed rail route, Bangkok - Hua Hin and Bangkok - Pattaya.

For the route of Bangkok to Pattaya, which is less than 200 kilometers, the private sector has proposed to extend the route to Rayong, so that it's worth the investment. Study for the line is expected to take 1-2 months.

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Old April 23rd, 2015, 11:51 AM   #363
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The government plans to accelerate the Bangkok - Padang Besar line. The southern line will start moving immediately to link with the Thai-Chinese line Bangkok - Nong Khai.
This line will be a joint venture with the private sector. The initial speed will be 180 km/h at first just like Thai-Chinese lines.

For the Bangkok - Chiang Mai line, MOU with Japan will be signed this May, then in June site survey and design will begin and will take about 1 year.

http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1429693274

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All lines will be built to handle a speed up to 350 km/h
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Joint Thai-Chinese HSR - 873 km (2015-2018)
  1. Bangkok - Kaeng Khoi (133 km) : Construction in September 2015 (180km/h at first)
    Kaeng Khoi - Map Ta Phut (246.5 km)
  2. Kaeng Khoi - Nakhon Ratchasima (138.5 km) : Construction in December 2015 (180km/h at first)
    Nakhon Ratchasima - Nong Khai (355 km)
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Joint Thai-Japanese HSR - 672 km (2016-2019)
  1. Bangkok - Chiang Mai (672 km) : Construction in 2016 (200-300km/h)
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Private Sector HSR - 1.375 km
  1. Bangkok - Rayong (194 km) : Charoen Pokphand Group (CP) (200-300km/h)
  2. Bangkok - Hua Hin (211 km) : Thai Beverage Plc (200-300km/h)
  3. Bangkok - Padang Besar (970 km) : Design Study (180km/h at first)
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Old April 23rd, 2015, 12:12 PM   #364
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Are you saying that the Bangkok - Hua Hin and Bangkok - Padang Besar will be two separate lines?
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They will probably use the same track, but Bangkok - Hua Hin section will use a higher speed. Just like the Rayong and Chiang Mai line, which will also share some of the track with the Joint Thai-Chinese line.
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Old April 23rd, 2015, 01:10 PM   #366
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They will probably use the same track, but Bangkok - Hua Hin section will use a higher speed. Just like the Rayong and Chiang Mai line, which will also share some of the track with the Joint Thai-Chinese line.
A bit correction. Bkk - Ch line will be fully dedicade HSR. Not sharing with anyone.

The line with initial speed of 180 km/h is built with HSR spec. So I doubt they will double the cost by creating a separate line. As you suggest that they could may well be run 2 services on the same track. But with higher speed on the shared section for HSR train.
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Old April 23rd, 2015, 05:28 PM   #367
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Are you saying that the Bangkok - Hua Hin and Bangkok - Padang Besar will be two separate lines?
What are the chances of the Padang Besar Line getting the green light anytime soon?

It seems logical to me that the HSR network to eventually expand to meet up with the line from Singapore.
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What are the chances of the Padang Besar Line getting the green light anytime soon?

It seems logical to me that the HSR network to eventually expand to meet up with the line from Singapore.
Nobody knows. This is the first time we hear about the southern link (apart from Bkk-Huahin HSR). But the news emphasize that they want to push start on this line as soon as JP joint venture project is finalized so it can be available Not too long after the BKk-Nongkai line finish.

Its a bit up in the air now. Because this line doesnt have any private sector or other goverbment who express their interest yet (and I doubt the current gov would want to fully fund it as they already have too many project in hand). Good chance would be the third country who join this one or the chinese want to occupy the whole line linking from northeast to south.
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Nobody knows. This is the first time we hear about the southern link (apart from Bkk-Huahin HSR). But the news emphasize that they want to push start on this line as soon as JP joint venture project is finalized so it can be available Not too long after the BKk-Nongkai line finish.

Its a bit up in the air now. Because this line doesnt have any private sector or other goverbment who express their interest yet (and I doubt the current gov would want to fully fund it as they already have too many project in hand). Good chance would be the third country who join this one or the chinese want to occupy the whole line linking from northeast to south.
Billionaire Charoen of Thai Bev, Billionaire Thanin of CP and Billionaire Khiree of BTSC are fight to get the High Speed lines - so Big Jin is going to start the bidding for semi High speed line from BKK to Padang Besar after realizing the full High speed line to Chiang Mai

Big Jin even expect the semi high speed line from Phu Namron checkpoint - Kanchanaburi [Tha Ruea Noy] - BKK - Chachoengsao - aranyaprathet / Laem Chabang

For the line to Padang Besar, the regular bidding will be in use as it has been on the interest of billionaire - first section will be Bangsue to Hua Hin and the line to Pataya which is to be start in May 2015

Thai Bev want the line to Hua Hin while CP want the line to Pataya while the owner of BTSC want to make a JV with China on the route to Nong Khai

http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1429693274

CP also asking Thai government to extend the high speed line to Rayong since the line to Pataya is not enough. However, I would like to ask CEO of CP to pressure SRT and consultant company to start this line at either Bangsue Central or Makkasan Central rather than Lad Krabang which is too remote as it is on the eastern suburb, not the city center within Ratchadaphisek ring as either Bangsue Central or Makkasan Central
http://www.thairath.co.th/clip/16672
http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detai...sid=1429789427
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Old April 24th, 2015, 06:50 PM   #370
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Nobody knows. This is the first time we hear about the southern link (apart from Bkk-Huahin HSR). But the news emphasize that they want to push start on this line as soon as JP joint venture project is finalized so it can be available Not too long after the BKk-Nongkai line finish.

Its a bit up in the air now. Because this line doesnt have any private sector or other goverbment who express their interest yet (and I doubt the current gov would want to fully fund it as they already have too many project in hand). Good chance would be the third country who join this one or the chinese want to occupy the whole line linking from northeast to south.
Golden opportunity for someone .
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Its obvious for Loas that they have other priority and should not waste billions onto this project. Anyway last time I heard , Loas section will be just normal standard guage with maximum speed of 160 and no mentioning of upgradable option. Most of the cost will come from tunneling section which occupy most of the line.

Its an unfortunate case for Laos. They get pressured by Chinese government due to the connectivity to Asean plan. But this will not change anytime soon as many part of the country already get taken over by chinese merchant and business. At this rate it is just a matter of time before they get wholely swallow.

Thailand already try to play it safe by limit the initial speed. And co-investment with Chinese government will make sure we wont invest too much beyond our capability. Same as the rest of other HSR line which is all joint venture with third party. The only plan that fully fund by the government now is the upgrade of conventional train to be double track not HSR.
Disagree with your opinion on laos.
If there is no infrastructure, the developmentvof laos will be in the air
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Disagree with your opinion on laos.
If there is no infrastructure, the developmentvof laos will be in the air
Some Lao nettizens said improving the existing roads with full of potholes first ... while some Lao nettizens never see the benefit of railway transport across the country as they think that Laos should be more like center of Universe to reap the benefits of railway instead of being just a passing
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No I dont mean Laos should not build infrastructure. But infrastructure should come with clear benefit and the reasonable price (compare to country GDP). If it is not for the reason to link China down to Asean I doubt this line will get built anytime soon. The cost is huge and it run pass small section of the country with very low density population. Hence it might be better for Laos to shift that money to be used for other infrastructure that has higher priority and give clearer benefit for country development in next decade. Thats my point.

But never mind. It will get built soon. At least it will benefit the region as a whole. Its just less burden on bigger country at the beginning.
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Old April 25th, 2015, 11:56 PM   #374
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CP seeks to invest in fast train projects
Firm meets Prajin over high-speed plan
24 Apr 2015 at 06:00
WRITER: AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK

Agro-industrial and food conglomerate Charoen Pokphand (CP) has expressed an interest in investing in the government's high-speed train projects, Transport Minister Prajin Juntong says.

Speaking after a meeting on Thursday with CP executives, ACM Prajin said the agro-business giant wanted to invest in both the development and also administration of the projects.

One project links Bangkok, Pattaya and Rayong, with a total distance of 194km, requiring an initial budget of 150 billion baht, the minister said.

At the meeting, CP had invited two other companies — Citic Construction from Hong Kong and HNA from China, which also showed interest in joining the investment — to meet the minister.

The minister had asked CP to conduct a feasibility study for the project to be submitted to the Transport Ministry by May 9.

"The window of opportunity for investment is still open to other investors," said ACM Prajin, noting the ministry has not yet passed a list of investors to the cabinet but was asking CP to work on a study of the routes the company was interested in.

The ministry expects to submit the list to the cabinet for approval at the end of next month, he said.

Thai Beverage Plc (ThaiBev) also has shown an interest in investing in the high-speed train linking Bangkok and Hua Hin.

Bangkok Mass Transit System Plc, or BTS, has an interest in a double-track train from Khon Kaen to Map Ta Phut.

Meanwhile, Strabag, a construction firm from Germany which is interested in investing in Thai train projects, also met ACM Prajin.

The company has showed an interest in a route between Satun and Songkhla.

Meanwhile, Thailand is working closely with China on a survey of a double-track rail project linking Bangkok, Vientiane and Kunming.

It will include a study on the environmental impacts of the project, and details of how the investment will be funded.

Speaking after another meeting, ACM Prajin said a Chinese team of 80 experts and authorities had been sent to work with Thai officials from the State Railway of Thailand (SRT) and his ministry to conduct a land survey of the Thai rail routes: Bangkok-Kaeng Khoi; Map Ta Phut-Kaeng Khoi; and Nakhon Ratchasima-Nong Khai, the far northeastern province opposite the Lao capital of Vientiane.

The minister also held talks with state authorities overseeing the project to prepare for a meeting with China that is scheduled for May 6-8 to discuss the development of a double-track rail route.

Next month, ACM Prajin said, the Chinese team will install 3D cameras for aerial surveys into areas which stand to be affected.

The results will be fed into the study process.

At the meeting, three working groups, chaired by three SRT deputy governors, were set up.

The working groups comprise technical committee members undertaking work on the rail system and communication systems; commercial and ticketing committee members responsible for route controls, safety concerns, ticketing systems and facilities; and personnel committee members overseeing staff training programmes and maintenance of trains.

As for an environmental preparedness plan, ACM Prajin said a new consultant team hired by the SRT will be set up to support the existing team.

It will work closely with the Chinese to ensure the results of a study on project impacts will be handed over to an environmental committee in September.

Meanwhile, deputy Transport Minister Arkhom Termpittayapaisith is working on the set-up of the maintenance centre and an investment model, he said.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/gene...train-projects
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Thais eye Japanese bullet trains for north-south route
April 25, 2015 6:26 am JST
JUN ENDO, Nikkei staff writer

TOKYO -- Thailand could use Japanese bullet trains in its planned north-south rail link, Deputy Transport Minister Arkhom Termpittayapaisith told The Nikkei here Friday.

The high-speed link proposed by Thailand's military-led government runs between Bangkok and the northern city of Chiang Mai, about 700km away. The project is seen costing some 430 billion baht ($13.2 billion). It will likely be undertaken by a joint Thai-Japanese effort, Arkhom said.

Thailand could develop the land, while tracks, stations and rolling stock could fall under Japan's purview.

"We will decide how to divide the costs at a future time," Arkhom said.

He expressed hopes of signing a memorandum of understanding with Japan as early as May to launch a formal feasibility study.

The two sides would then spend about a year evaluating the project's safety and possible environmental impact before deciding whether to go ahead with Japanese trains.

"We hope to start construction within 2016 if all goes well," Arkhom said, with a possible completion date of 2020.

Large cities including Ayutthaya and Sukhothai are along the planned route, which could draw demand from both businesspeople and tourists. But the entire undertaking could fall through if recovering investment appears too high a hurdle. Yingluck Shinawatra's interest in Japanese trains as prime minister came to nothing in the end.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Thai counterpart Prayuth Chan-ocha agreed here in February to cooperate on railroad construction in the Southeast Asian country. Japan has since pushed for the use of its bullet trains.

Tokyo has also proposed a southern route along a major east-west trade artery, with the possibility of speeding up transportation to and from the Dawei special economic zone in Myanmar. Thailand and Japan are also in talks toward a memorandum in this area, Arkhom said.

Thailand plans to build a separate north-south rail link with China, with which it agreed to cooperate on rail projects last December. Bangkok hopes to strike a diplomatic balance between the two Asian powerhouses by reaching a deal with Tokyo as well.

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Interesting. It seems as if Thais are denying PRC a direct north south route from PRC by going with Japanese on this route.
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Interesting. It seems as if Thais are denying PRC a direct north south route from PRC by going with Japanese on this route.
That because PRC declines the route from Bangsue Central to Chiang Mai as it has no direct link to Chiang Rai and Chiang Khong which is going be business center for Chinese investor up north ... Nevertheless, the route to Chiang Khong would also not be on Chinese interest unless the Lao - China railway to Viengchan has been realized first.

PRC prefers the Bangsue central to Nong Khai with extension to Map Ta Phut via Klong 19 bypass.
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Japan is going to sign MOU for both 670 km High Speed train from Bangsue central to Chiang Mai and the 574 km rail networks from Phu Namron to Laem Chabang Deep Sea Port with extension to Aranyaprathet in May 2015 while asking Japanese to study on the route from Mae Sod to Mukdahan since SRT only study on the route from Maesod to Phitsanuloke and Ban Phai to Nakhon Phanom via Mukdahan
For the deal with China, it should be a cheap loan with the annual interest rate of less than 2% with 6-7 year grace period and 30 year payback along the issue of the 30-km line from Nong Khai station to Viengchan Capital station
http://www.thairath.co.th/content/496053
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