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Old August 21st, 2015, 06:27 PM   #441
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What is the problem, do you know? As far as I'm aware the Japanese Shinkansen trains use the standard track gauge of 1435mm - same as China. Will the Japanese railway construction in Thailand be of the old Japanese narrow 1067mm gauge design? That sounds highly inoptimal to me. Or is the problem related to electricity, signalling or something else?
There are a lot more hidden problems which you may never recognize:
1. Chinese engineers keep telling Thai engineers and architects to cut Donmueang station out of the list of stations for Thai - China railway due to the animosity toward Donmueang station of red line commuter which will turn into Donmueang central once Thai - Japanese railway from Bangsue Central to Chiang Mai via Phitsanuloke

2. Chinese engineers giving Thai railway men a lot of headache when they never want Thai - China railway to be too closed to Natural Gas and Oil pipelines of PTT which has been constructed on the railway land long time ago by using the Chinese standard argument -> 5 meter away from railway line while Thai Railway follows the Japanese standard of allowing PTT to construct of the Natural Gas and Oil pipelines at 4.6 meter from the railway tracks.
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Old August 21st, 2015, 06:34 PM   #442
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Need political adroit and shrew to deal with the belligerent 2 powers (Chinese vs Japanese) as the way to allow the track sharing rather than setting up the new center at Chiang Rak Noy (Southern limit of Ayutthaya or the Northern limit of Pathum Thani - north of Chiang Rak)
Exactly. Starting from Chiang Rak Noy station would totally kill the ridership for Chinese (eastern) line as it's too far to go to. Even if there is the commuter that link directly between Bangsue and Chiang Rak Noy, but having Don Mueang airport sit in the middle will totally drag people into plane rather than train. Who in the right mind will design train terminal station to be even further than the airport. Crazy.

Personally, if it's really the problem and China / Japan won't get into agreement to share the track (just for the sake of 30 km bounding into the grand station) then we should just cancel it and use someone else who can. It's our people tax money to pay for this, not theirs. Seriously.
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you are borrwing their money on favorable terms the taxpayer will foot the bill in the end but without their financial support these projects won;t proceed unless you can find somebody else you can both build and finance the lines and it's an extensive network to boot.

Should a compromose be worked out? That is stating the obvious.
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you are borrwing their money on favorable terms the taxpayer will foot the bill in the end but without their financial support these projects won;t proceed unless you can find somebody else you can both build and finance the lines and it's an extensive network to boot.

Should a compromose be worked out? That is stating the obvious.

There is more than enough domestic loan for the project. This does not really rely on that. We can finance ourself. And there are many european countries who show interest on building the line. So technically we dont really need china or japan. It is all about political decision.

Actually what i say is the original plan from previous gov. The junta just change everything and partially rely on chinese/japanes finance just because they dont want to pay for it. Even southern and eastern HSR now become fully Funded by private sector.

To be fair Im really scare the outcome. As Junta gov choose to go with some of the worse decision. They just hand these 2 lines directly to China and Japan to protect their own interest. And now this decision get back to then.

However I still do hope they can work this out and not pushing chinese line out off Grand station. As that would be a really stupid idea.

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you are borrwing their money on favorable terms the taxpayer will foot the bill in the end but without their financial support these projects won;t proceed unless you can find somebody else you can both build and finance the lines and it's an extensive network to boot.

Should a compromose be worked out? That is stating the obvious.
If it is not the foreign loan, the domestic loan through saving bonds will help but that would be truly massive loan ever ask from Thai people to pool their hard earning saving to realize such a massive project with something that break a trillion Baht landmark (about the same amount of Thai banknotes circulated in Thailand right now) or more ..... in addition to the way Revenue Dept squeezing the tax money to the last drop.

Favorable interest rate would something 2% per annum or less ... other than that, the domestic loan to prevent FOREX fluctuation is the other option though even it means to pay higher rate.
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OTP recently held a seminar for the Thai-Chinese HSR Korat - Nong Khai section











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Bua Yai Station


Ban Phai Station


Khon Khaen Station


Udonthani Station


Nong Khai Station

http://koratstartup.com/2015/09/01/ส...#3634;ง/
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Old September 1st, 2015, 05:23 PM   #447
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Quote from khun codename-B above with more detail.

There are 2 design options

1 - Mixed transport. Maximum speed 200 km/h for passenger train and 120 km/h for fridge train.
2 - Exclusive passenger transport. Maximum speed 300 km/h for passenger train.

The track and geometry construction will cover both options.

Please note that the initial operation will be mixed transport (as stated in previous news). Until the demand is picked up, then the latter option will be chosen.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 11:29 AM   #448
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Thai-Chinese HSR - 873 km

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Old September 5th, 2015, 10:56 PM   #449
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Summary of Thai High Speed Rail Projects

Joint Thai-Chinese HSR - 873 km - 200 km/h
Bangkok - Map Ta Phut - Nongkhai (133 km) - Construction estimated to begin in December

Joint Thai-Japanese HSR - 672 km - 250 km/h
Bangkok - Chiang Mai (672 km) - The design study will be completed and presented to cabinet for approval in June 2016

Private Sector HSR - 405 km - 250 km/h
Bangkok - Rayong (194 km) - Waiting for EIA - Bidding in 2016
Bangkok - Hua Hin (211 km) - Waiting for EIA - Bidding in 2016

All lines will be built to handle a speed up to 350 km/h to allow for future upgrades

For the shared section between Chinese HSR and Japanese Shinkansen (Bangkok - Ban Pachi), the track will use European standard signaling system to allow all trains to use the track.

Red dots are HSR stations
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Old September 9th, 2015, 07:04 PM   #450
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Japanese going to train Thai people how to run and maintain the High Speed train from Bangsue Central to Chiang Mai
http://news.voicetv.co.th/business/256302.html

Deputy PM Somkid who handle the financial and economic affairs have given an endorsement for both Thai - Japan railway (both High Speed train from Bangsue Central to Chiang Mai and the double tracking from Ban Phu Namron checkpoint to Laem Chabang via the special route as the existing Southern route are full - need to the new railway bridge across Chao Phraya at the Mouth of Chao Phraya river) and Thai - China railway from Bangsue to Nong Khai
http://news.voicetv.co.th/business/256452.html
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Old October 4th, 2015, 03:56 PM   #451
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Thai-Japanese Railway lines projects

Electrified Double Track Meter Gauge Rail
Under feasibility study
  • Bangkok - Kanchanaburi (180 km)
  • Bangkok - Aranyaphrathet (255 km)
  • Bangkok - Laem Chabang (139 km)

High Speed Rail (Shinkansen)
Design is finished, currently applying for EIA
  • Bangkok - Chiang Mai (672 km)

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Old October 4th, 2015, 04:03 PM   #452
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Public Private Partnership Thai High Speed Rail
  • Bangkok - Hua Hin (222 km)
  • Bangkok - Pattaya - Rayong (193.5 km)

For the high-speed train project Bangkok - Pattaya - Rayong and Bangkok - Hua Hin. The lines are now under examination by the Transport Ministry.
The plan will conclude with the Board of PPP Directors by the end of this year.

http://www.manager.co.th/iBizChannel...=9580000110531

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Old October 9th, 2015, 10:43 AM   #453
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Bang Sue Grand Station

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Old October 10th, 2015, 10:53 PM   #454
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Premier hopes to see early start to Thailand railway
By ZHAO YINAN (China Daily)
Updated: 2015-10-10 08:14


Premier Li Keqiang meets with Thai Foreign Minister Don Pramudwinai in Beijing on Friday. [FENG YONGBIN/CHINA DAILY]

Premier Li Keqiang called for an early start to a Beijing-backed rail project running through Thailand during his meeting with Thai Foreign Minister Don Pramudwinai on Friday.

Li said railway cooperation is the highlight of Sino-Thai cooperation, which can facilitate Beijing's Road and Belt Initiative to synergize with Thailand's economic development strategy.

"In addition, rail cooperation will also promote cultural and people-to-people exchanges between China and Thailand, as well as exchanges between China and countries in the Indochina Peninsula," Li said.

"China and Thailand are family."

The minister, a former Thai ambassador to China, said the Thai government attaches great importance to its relations with China, especially the cooperation in the rail sector. He said the Thai government is glad to see an early start to the construction.

The Chinese and Thai governments have recently agreed to start constructing a 840 km railway connecting Kunming in Yunnan province with Thailand's Nong Khai province, Bangkok, and Rayong province by the end of this year.

Thai Deputy Prime Minister Tanasak Patimapragorn said during the China-ASEAN Expo in the southern Chinese city of Nanning in September that the upcoming railway would be an important mode of transport for goods and people between China and Thailand.

The deputy prime minister said the line is expected to fuel economic development of Thailand and its neighboring countries, and Chinese cargo can also be more conveniently transferred to other parts of Asia, Africa and Europe through Thailand, which can help Chinese companies reduce their transportation costs.

According to China Railway Construction Corp, the round-trip fares from Kunming to Bangkok will be around 700 yuan ($115), between half and one-third of the airfare, and the freight fees are equivalent to one-ninth of the cost by air, Xinhua News Agency reported.

Thailand, the second largest ASEAN economy, currently has about 360 km of dual-track rails and is planning to upgrade transportation infrastructure.

Yang Xiuping, secretary-general of the ASEAN-China Center, said the railway will help tourism in Southeast Asia.

Statistics from China Tourism Academy showed 11 million Chinese tourists traveled to Southeast Asia in 2014.

The railway is expected to bring about 2 million more each year.

China is the biggest trade partner of Thailand and its second-largest export destination. Bilateral trade reached $63.4 billion in 2014.

Mechanical products take up half of the total products imported from China, while China buys plastic and rubber products from Thailand.

This year also marks the 40th anniversary of the establishment of bilateral diplomatic ties.

Thailand's GDP is expected to grow by 3 to 4 percent this year, after a dismal 0.7 percent growth in 2014.

During Friday's meeting, Li also spoke highly of Thailand's coordination role in China's relations with the ASEAN countries in the past three years, and he said China is willing to deepen ties with ASEAN countries and maintain regional stability.

Li said the Chinese economy has entered a new normal, and the government should follow the trend and encourage an innovation-driven economy, which will also provide business opportunities for neighboring countries including Thailand.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchin...t_22147115.htm
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it would be a great inconsideration for Khun Somkhid for not adding Mahasarakham and Roy Ed into the ilist of the railway from maesod to Mukdahan via phitsanuloke and Khon Kaen - even though MAaesod - Tak - Sukhothai - Phitsanuloke - Phetchabun - Khon Kaen - Kalasin - Mukdahan has a distance of
815.82 km at 159,773 Million Baht - For the case of Phunamron - Laem Chabang with the new route across Mahachai Line as well as Nam Tok line and Southern line along with Sattahip line with the distance of 475 km at 175000 million Baht (meter gaugue)
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1444394723
http://www.thansettakij.com/2015/10/09/13006

bring Japanese to joint cargo train scheme from Kanchanaburi to laem Chabang with the new route
http://www.thairath.co.th/clip/26923
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Old October 16th, 2015, 02:24 PM   #456
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For the PPP High Speed Rail projects, Bangkok - Hua Hin (211 km) 81,136 million baht and Bangkok - Pattaya - Rayong (193.5 km) 152,448 million baht, the design for both lines are now complete, they are now waiting to be approved by EIA and are expecting to be up for bidding in the first half of 2016.

Passenger speed for the Joint thai-chinese line (873 km) has now been upgraded to 200km/h.

For the joint thai-japanese line (672 km), Japan has sent a team to explore the area along the line.
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Thailand hopes to reach loan terms for 800-km joint venture rail project with China this month
in Business | October 24, 2015 11:02 am

The Ministry of Transport will meet the Chinese government for the eighth time next week in Beijing to finalise the planned 800-kilometre long joint venture Thai-Chinese rail project.

The ministry’s senior officials held high hope that this round of meeting will reach conclusion on loan terms as well as all details concerning the joint venture project.

Deputy transport minister Ormsin Chiwapruek said yesterday that from October 27- 29 of this month, the transport minister will be leading a committee to Beijing to hold talks with Chinese authorities regarding the joint Thai-Chinese rail project.

He said this meeting will be the eighth of such talks and will finalize all the details involved in the planned Nong Khai – Bangkok – Map Taphut rail project.

Preliminary on-site surveys have been carried out by the Chinese officials and the meeting hopes to finally conclude interest rates for the loan that the Chinese government will be granting to Thailand.

Mr Ormsin explained that this point has been the major stumbling block in past negotiations.

The Chinese government had earlier proposed a rate of 2.5% but Thai officials felt that that was too high and proposed a rate not exceeding 2%. Should this round of talks succeed then it is expected that a signing will be planned in the near future, he said.

The Ministry of Transport has set a target for the Thai-Chinese rail project to begin in December of this year. If things go to plan, the construction of the 800 km stretch of the two planned lines from Bangkok – Kaeng Khoi – Nakhon Ratchasima – Nong Khai and from Kaeng Khoi – Map Taphut will begin with the construction of the Chiang Rark Noi station in Ayutthaya province.

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Implementation of major infrastructure projects will be shorten, if approved by the cabinet.

Status
  • Thai-Chinese HSR will begin groundbreaking in December.
  • Two PPP HSR: Bangkok-Hua Hin and Bangkok-Rayong will be up for bidding next year.
  • Thai-Japanese HSR: Feasibility and design study will be done in June 2016.

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Government poised to fast-track 8 projects
4 Nov 2015 at 03:25
NEWSPAPER SECTION: NEWS | WRITER: PATSARA JIKKHAM & AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK

Implementation of the projects, which the cabinet hopes to speed up prior to the bidding process, could be shortened from 22 months to nine months, Mr Somkid said.

He said the projects designated for next year and 2017 are worth 347 billion baht. They are the Pink Line; the Yellow Line; the Blue Line (Bang Sue-Tha Phra); Bang Pa-in-Nakhon Ratchasima motorway; Bang Yai-Kanchanaburi motorway; a garbage disposal plant in Nonthaburi; garbage disposal facilities in Nakhon Ratchasima; and a marine commerce centre.

Transport Minister Arkhom Termpittayapaisith said the ministry is pushing for the cabinet to include two high-speed train routes worth 246 billion baht in the PPP fast-track programme.

The two routes -- Bangkok-Hua Hin and Bangkok-Rayong -- will be shortened from two years to nine months if they are approved by the cabinet, he said.


He said some 20 investment projects worth 1.79 trillion baht that need swift implementation for next year are being tweaked before they are submitted to the cabinet.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha stressed an infrastructure investment project with China would proceed amid concerns the railway deal with China is dragging on.

He said there was constant progress in talks with Beijing over the dual-track Nong Khai-Rayong rail scheme and both sides were negotiating to overcome obstacles which include the project loan.

Gen Prayut said "symbolic" construction of the rail project would proceed to mark the 40th anniversary of Thai-Chinese bilateral ties while the negotiations continue. There are eight rounds of negotiations between Thailand and China for the Thai-China railway project will connect Nong Khai to Bangkok to Map Ta Phut.

Gen Prayut said rail projects with Japan would also proceed. He defended the Ministry of Transport's proposal for him to use special powers under Section 44 of the interim charter to fast-track projects.


http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/poli...ack-8-projects
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