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Old November 4th, 2015, 07:42 PM   #461
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So is it now sure that the Chinese line will pass through Bangkok? Last time I read something about it the line was meant to go directly to Laem Chabang (the Chinese seem to be mainly interested in accessing the port for freight transport, not so much in person transport).
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That was a very early proposal, when the route wasn't finalized yet.

This is the route for the Thai-Chinese HSR. The route is divided into 4 sections to speed up construction work.

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Joint Thai-Chinese HSR - 873 km
Passenger Train Speed: 200km/h at first, Freight Train Speed: 120km/h. The track will be built to handle a speed up to 350km/h.
  1. Bangkok - Kaeng Khoi (133 km)
  2. Kaeng Khoi - Map Ta Phut (246.5 km)
  3. Kaeng Khoi - Nakhon Ratchasima (138.5 km)
  4. Nakhon Ratchasima - Nong Khai (355 km)
All HSR lines will terminate at Bangkok Bang Sue Grand Station (except maybe for the BKK-Rayong line).

The line will branch off at Kaeng Khoi and go to either Bangkok or Map Tha Put Seaport in Rayong.

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Old November 5th, 2015, 05:32 AM   #463
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So is it now sure that the Chinese line will pass through Bangkok? Last time I read something about it the line was meant to go directly to Laem Chabang (the Chinese seem to be mainly interested in accessing the port for freight transport, not so much in person transport).
In addition to the sea port access, Chinese government is also pressing the demand for Chinese train to reach Bangsue Central. This has created a conflict with Thai - Japan railway project though.
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All HSR lines will terminate at Bangkok Bang Sue Grand Station (except maybe for the BKK-Rayong line).
Where will this line end? At Suvarnabhumi airport?
Is there any chance they will extend the Rayong line to Trat, or at least Chanthaburi? I would sure love that (as Trat will be my old age retreat ).
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In addition to the sea port access, Chinese government is also pressing the demand for Chinese train to reach Bangsue Central. This has created a conflict with Thai - Japan railway project though.
Why is that a problem for the Japanese? Isn't it good if Bang Sue serves as main transport hub?
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Why is that a problem for the Japanese? Isn't it good if Bang Sue serves as main transport hub?
The Japanese dont want other train system to share track with Shinkansen due to security reason. But due to the lack of land , there are only enough space for 2 lines bound to Bangsue. Hence it might ends up chinese train having to share the track with ARL instead.
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The Japanese dont want other train system to share track with Shinkansen due to security reason. But due to the lack of land , there are only enough space for 2 lines bound to Bangsue. Hence it might ends up chinese train having to share the track with ARL instead.
You mean there is only room for at most two HSR tracks coming from north, besides the track for the two Red Lines and the Airport Link track? I thought it was a sure thing that the Airport Link track would be shared by at least one HSR line.
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Where will this line end? At Suvarnabhumi airport?
Is there any chance they will extend the Rayong line to Trat, or at least Chanthaburi? I would sure love that (as Trat will be my old age retreat ).
No plans yet to extend it further than Rayong. They are going for all the big industrial city in the east coast.

The HSR station for this line will begin at Lad Krabang station instead of Bang Sue Station. This is due to the wide bodied EMU that would make it not be able to use the current ARL alignment. The wide bodied EMU is 3.3 meter, while ARL track alignment can only handle 2.9 meter wide body EMU.

Either they opt for narrow body EMU for this line to make trains go all the way to Bang Sue station or redesigning Lad Krabang station to accommodate wide body EMU (what they are doing). They will also have to figure out if the track for this line will be shared with Thai-Chinese HSR, since they both overlap each other.

However nothing is final yet, EIA for this line will be completed Q1 next year and we will know then.


Here's all the stations for this line:



Lad Krabang Station (redesigned)


Chachoengsao Station


Chonburi Station


Si Racha Station


Pattaya Station


Rayong Station
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You mean there is only room for at most two HSR tracks coming from north, besides the track for the two Red Lines and the Airport Link track? I thought it was a sure thing that the Airport Link track would be shared by at least one HSR line.
There is only room for 2 HSR tracks including ARL. It was never been a solid plan to share HSR wit ARL (only possibility). That is why it cause so much issue when the japanese deny to share Shinkansen track with the rest.
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Ok, thank you.

What will happen with all the old rolling stock of SRT once the HSR service kicks in? Will the old (long distance) trains go out of service?
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They will act as a feeder for the HSR system. Thai Meter Gauge have their own nationwide double tracking projects allowing for a speed of 120-160km/h.

The old long distance train will be replaced by the new ones next year, when the 115 Sleeper Passenger Coach Set ordered from CNR Changchun Railway Vehicles arrive. The first two batch of 26 Passenger Coach Set (13 each) will be delivered in May 2016 and all to be delivered and used in October 2016.

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Nationwide Double Tracking Projects from THAILAND | Railways thread.

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Meter Gauge Double Track Projects (2.316km)
06/11/2015

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First Phase

Following double tracking projects will have their contract signed in December

1. Kaeng Khoi - Klong 19 - Chachoengsao (106 km) 10,992.47 Million Baht
2. Thanon Jira - Khon Kaen (185 km) 26,005 Million Baht
3. Prachuab Khirikhan - Chumporn (167 km ) 17,291 Million Baht

Following double tracking projects have to get EIA clearance first, but they will be up for bidding in 2016

4. Lopburi - Pak Nam Pho (148 km) 24,840 Million Baht
5. Map Krabao - Thanon Jira (132 km) 29,853 Million Baht
6. Nakhon Pathom - Hua Hin (165 km) 20,036 Million Baht
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Second Phase

Following 6 double tracking projects with a total distance of 1349 km are on the list to be on bidding.
Construction for these lines will begin in 2017 and done in 2021.


1. Pak Nampho - Denchai (258 km)
2. Khon Kaen - Nong Khai (174 km)
3. Hua Hin - Prachuab Khirikhan (90 km)
4. Thanon Jira - Ubon (309 km)
5. Chumporn - Surat Thani (167 km)
6. Surat Thani - Hatyai - Songkla (324 km)
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SRT Trains Procurements Plan
06/11/2015

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  • 50 GE Diesel Electric Locomotives with axle load of 16 tons
    • To be used for passenger transport
    • Will be up for bidding soon
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  • 250 Passenger Coach
    • To be used for mid-distance travel
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  • 186 Diesel-Electric Multiple Unit (DEMU)
    • Preparing for Cabinet approval
    • To replace Daewoo Diesel Railcar
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  • 20 Locomotives from CSR Qishuya with axle load of 20 tons + spare parts (All arrived)
    • Used for freight transport for the north, northeastern and eastern lines


https://www.facebook.com/Trainlism/t...=page_internal

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  • 2 locomotives from CSR for TPI polene (All arrived)
    • Used for freight transport for TPI polene


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  • 115 Sleeper Passenger Coach Set from CNR Changchun Railway Vehicles (Arriving in May 2016)
    • To be used for long-distance travel
    • The carriages can handle a max speed of 120 km/h.
    • The first two batch of 26 Passenger Coach Set (13 each) will be delivered in May 2016
    • All to be delivered and used in October 2016 for the following lines:
      Bangkok - Chiang Mai
      Bangkok - Ubon Ratchathani
      Bangkok - Nong Khai
      Bangkok - Hat Yai



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Really an impressive transformation SRT is going through. What about the fare subsidies? I understand that trains are an important means of long distance transport for the less affluent because of the availability of ridiculously cheap fares (Bangkok to Ubon Ratchathani is only 3 dollars in third class for almost 600 km of distance, just checked it on SRT's website). I guess this might change in the future.
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To add to Codename B reply. The train will all get electrified once the double meter gauage project has finished. Actually part of it already start from Padang Besar to Had Yai to allow Malaysian EMU train get pass through Had Yai city.
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Thai-Chinese school planned to boost rail specialists
10 Nov 2015 at 03:25
NEWSPAPER SECTION: NEWS | WRITER: DOMRONGKIAT MALA


A railway worker walks in front of bullet trains at Hefei, China, built like many railways around the world entirely by Chinese labour with Chinese supervision. (Reuters photo)

The Office of the Vocational Education Commission (Ovec) is cooperating with the Chinese embassy in Thailand to establish a Thai-Chinese Institute of Technology.

The move is an effort to increase the number of skilled labourers as Thailand prepares for a surge in rail route development.

Ovec secretary-general Chaipreuk Sereerak said training courses in the new vocational institute will mainly focus on high-speed railway systems.

At present, Thailand does not have enough qualified people to respond to demands in the market.

It is expected that at least 3,500 skilled workers will be needed in the transport sector by next year, he added.

"The Chinese are now one of the world's principal railway specialists as it has a wealth of experience in building and operating railway systems, so we would benefit from learning from their model and know-how," Mr Chaipreuk said.

Mr Chaipreuk said Ovec will conclude the curriculum, which will be used in the Thai-Chinese Institute of Technology by this December, as the first phase of the high-speed train project is expected to start soon.

"We cannot say yet whether the school will teach in a monolingual system or in a bilingual system, but in my opinion it should be bilingual because Thailand may need to absorb a lot of Chinese technology in the future," he said.

Thailand and China have signed a deal to jointly develop a dual-track railway that will put Bangkok on a route to southern China.

Thai and Chinese authorities, who are jointly pushing the project, earlier set the end of this year as the start date, but issues over route design and funding delayed the project. Both sides have rescheduled the start of construction to May next year.

The 873km railway track, which will be built on 1.435m standard gauge, is to run from Bangkok to Map Ta Phut in Rayong, and the other will run to Nakhon Ratchasima and Nong Khai, the far northeastern province bordering Laos.

Apart from creating the new vocational school, Ovec also wants to send hundreds of Thai vocational students and teachers on short training courses focusing on rail operations and maintenance, so they can keep pace with new technology by exchanging knowledge with China, he said.

Ovec's secretary-general said the length of the courses will range from three months to one year because the country cannot wait until the new vocational institute is ready to produce skilled labour.

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Bang Sue Complex

The land will be divided into four zones. Zone A is designated for offices and hotels, while Zone B will be allotted for convention halls and condominiums, with a total budget for the two zones estimated at 3.3 billion baht. Zone C will be developed as shopping malls and a sports complex, while a green zone, restaurants and a monorail connecting Bang Sue station with Mor Chit BTS station will be built on Zone D.

The full results of the study will be wrapped up by the end of this year.

Project will begin in 2016.



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Transport ministry outlines mega projects to stimulate growth next year
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The Transport Ministry yesterday outlined 20 mega projects involving over 1.7 trillion baht that it believes will stimulate the country's economic growth.
Announcement of the mega infrastructure projects was revealed by the Minister of Transport Mr Arkhom Termpittayapaisith while addressing a key note speech on how mega projects could help to drive economy.


He stated that the ministry has 20 mega projects in the pipeline with a combined investment cost of estimated 1.7 trillion baht.

He said some projects are ready to be processed this year, while construction can begin as early as next year.

He cited the Thailand-China rail project which he said will be officially commenced on December 19 at the Chiang Rak Noi railway station in Ayutthaya province.

On the part of the Thai-Japanese cooperation on high-speed train project, he said the train speed has yet to be determined, pending an official study.

But he said the maximum speed possible will be at 300 kilometres per hour.


However he said currently results of the study are being proposed to related authorities, after which they will be submitted to the Cabinet for consideration in the middle of next year.

A Cabinet approval is expected by the end of next year.

Thailand and Japan will ink an agreement when deputy prime minister Somkid Jatusripitak travels to Japan soon to sign a cooperation agreement on the construction of the Kanchanaburi-Sa Kaeo rail project.

Under the agreement, Thailand and Japan will set up a company to jointly operate the route which will be a dual track system.

The route will facilitate the transport of products from Thailand’s eastern seaboard, to Ayutthaya and Pathum Thani provinces, as well as to the Dawei Eastern Seaboard of Myanmar.

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Cabinet approves Chinese-backed standard gauge project
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The cabinet approved a draft cooperation framework Tuesday for the Thai-Chinese railway development project.

Government spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd said the draft framework covered the construction of 1.435-metre standard-gauge railways along two routes.

They are Nong Khai-Nakhon Ratchasima-Kaeng Khoi and Bangkok-Kaeng Khoi-Map Ta Phut.

The two routes together will cover 867 kilometres and cost 350 billion baht.

Construction will be divided into four sections -- Bangkok-Kaeng Khoi; Kaeng Khoi-Map Ta Phut: Keang Khoi-Nakhon Ratchasima; and Nakhon Ratchasima-Nong Khai.

Mr Sansern said Thailand and China would establish special vehicle companies to run the train system, train operation, and maintenance and repair services.

The project's development will be based on the Engineering, Procurement, Construction method in which Thailand is the project owner, while China designs, procures and constructs track systems and equipment.

China will be responsible for construction that requires high technology such as tunnels, bridges and the rail operating system.

Thailand will be in charge of environmental impact assessments, civil work, land expropriation, electricity supply and equipment support for the construction.

Funding will come from several sources -- the fiscal budget, borrowing from domestic financial institutions and international loans, mainly from the Export-Import Bank of China but on condition that lending rates not exceed domestic rates.

Rail operation and maintenance will be divided into three phases, with China fully responsible for the first three years after completion.

During years four to seven Thailand and China will have equal responsibility, and after seven years Thailand will take over full responsibility, with China serving as an adviser to the project.

Under the framework, China will provide training for Thai officials.

The framework will have five-year term and can be extended if the two governments agree.

Transport Minister Arkhom Termpittayapaisith told the cabinet that the cooperation framework was another step in the project's development.

A foundation stone laying ceremony is scheduled for Dec 19 at the operations control centre in tambon Chiang Rak Noi of Pathum Thani's Sam Khok district.

Mr Arkhom said the two countries would then take six months to analyse and evaluate project details and the worthiness of the investment before submitting the project for cabinet approval. Construction could start next May.

"However, a May start depends on Thailand and China's conclusions on the project's investment pattern, construction costs and lending rate," he said.

"We'll meet again within the next month to discuss the details."
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This line passenger speed has been raised to 200 km/h and can be upgraded to 300 km/h in the future.
Cargo speed will be 120 km/h.

The project will officially commenced on December 19 at the Chiang Rak Noi railway station in Ayutthaya province.

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Thai-Chinese rail on fast track
28 Nov 2015 at 02:03
NEWSPAPER SECTION: BUSINESS | WRITER: WICHIT CHANTANUSORNSIRI

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha says the construction of the delayed Thai-Chinese development railway project must start soon despite slow negotiations between Thai and Chinese officials.

"This project must materialise even if there are some hiccups in the investment details," said Gen Prayut after meeting ministers yesterday.

He closely follows the progress of major projects under each ministry, and the Transport Ministry has been a major focus because investment schemes in this sector are meant to boost the economy.

Gen Prayut said Laos had already signed a contract for a railway linking to the Thai-Chinese route.

Construction was scheduled to start Oct 23 but the related parties have not found a consensus over the construction costs.

The project finance will be carried out under a Thai-Chinese special-purpose vehicle scheme.

Thailand signed an agreement with the Chinese government last December to build a 873-kilometre dual-gauge route from Nong Khai province to the industrial area Map Ta Phut in Rayong province passing through the capital Bangkok.

The dual-gauge rail line plans to carry medium-speed trains accommodating mostly freight or goods delivery, and would cost 400 billion baht.

The railway will help improve Thailand's logistics competitiveness and perhaps help the country become a regional transport hub.

Gen Prayut said the Chinese government reassured him it was keen to start the project as Chinese exports could more cheaply penetrate the Asean market through this railway.

"The Chinese will definitely be able to sell more goods in Thailand and our neighbours with this project. It will benefit Thailand as well. We must do this project," he said.

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Meter gauge

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Why is Thailand still building meter gauge when they are laying new tracks when they could instantly future proof and help international links by going standard gauge?
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Why is Thailand still building meter gauge when they are laying new tracks when they could instantly future proof and help international links by going standard gauge?
For domestic demands and connection with neighbor as there are a cross border railway service at Padang besar ...
BTW, DID you want high speed train that make a stop at every station and every stop like like local railways?
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