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Old March 28th, 2016, 06:49 PM   #541
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Isn't that the understatement of the year? As I understand it without Thai connection Laotian HSR is near useless from Chinese point of view...
Yes. The Thai government is playing it smartly.
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The self-funded first phase of the route: Bangkok - Nakhon Ratchasima (252 km).

The line will now focus entirely on passenger with a speed of 250 km/h. Freight transport will be handled by the double track meter gauge line that is currently u/c instead.







The train that is expected to be used.



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est time to start construction?
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Because Thailand decided to go solo in terms of investment as it found China's conditions unacceptable, construction will be delayed by 4-5 months.

Funding will be decided this month and construction for this line is expected to begin in August/September instead of May.

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Two other HSR routes will be up for bidding after they get cabinet approval in July.

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Bidding for high-speed train lines to start this year
5 Apr 2016 at 04:00 | WRITER: AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK

Bidding for construction of two high-speed train lines will start this year, according to State Railway of Thailand (SRT) governor Wuthichart Kalyanamitra.

They are the 94.67-billion-baht Bangkok-Hua Hin route and the 152.52-billion-baht Bangkok-Pattaya-Rayong route.

Both the lines will be public-private partnership (PPP) ventures.

Feasibility studies for the projects have been completed and were forwarded to the Transport Ministry for consideration yesterday, Mr Wuthichart said.

The SRT board will review the studies at its meeting on April 12.

The studies describe the joint investment platform and project management, he noted.

The SRT governor said the studies will then be presented to the State Enterprise Policy Office (Sepo) and the PPP committee for consideration.

The SRT wants to proceed in the venture together with the private sector, he said. The PPP committee will decide whether to agree with the SRT's proposal.

"If the PPP committee approves, a team will be set up to select private operators to invest in the project in line with Section 35 of the Private Investments in State Undertakings Act," Mr Wuthichart said, adding the SRT aims to speed up the projects and wants the construction bids to be launched by the end of this year.

He said the April 12 SRT board meeting will also consider approving two double-track rail routes.

They are the Den Chai, Phrae-Chiang Rai-Chiang Khong in Chiang Rai route (326km) for 77 billion baht and the Ban Phai, Khon Kaen-Nakhon Phanom route (347km) for 60 billion baht. Once approved, they will be tabled to the cabinet for further consideration, he said.

Mr Wuthichart said the 90km Hua Hin-Prachuap Khiri Khan double-track route has passed the SRT board's consideration and is set to be proposed to the cabinet. Charoen Pokphand Group was reported to be interested in investing in the Bangkok to Pattaya to Rayong service.

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Isn't that the understatement of the year? As I understand it without Thai connection Laotian HSR is near useless from Chinese point of view...
Chinese people starting to raise the issue on Thai - China railway after Thai - China railway has been cut to Khorat
http://www.dailynews.co.th/article/390813

Chinese people starting to raise the issue on Thai - China railway after Thai - China railway has been cut to Khorat - instead of going all the way to Nong Khai - this has a lot to do with the budget constrain since Chinese government pressing unacceptable condition including the issue of land strips along the railway lines and the interest rates along with SUV issue - better use soft power through diplomatic channels to ensure better benefit and contract obligation to ensure that Thai- China railway have met the standards as Thai people want the deal like High speed train in Indonesia
http://business.sohu.com/20160412/n443953113.shtml
http://news.ifeng.com/a/20160412/48428406_0.shtml
http://toronto.singtao.ca/778484/201...?variant=zh-hk

https://www.powerapple.com/news/shi-...6/2634089.html
http://www.chinareviewnews.com/crn-w...ocid=104184601
http://www.chinareviewnews.com/crn-w...4184601&page=2
http://4445388.com/meishimeike/20160405/664.html
http://www.148pt.com/2016/0411/10379.shtml
http://www.80sd.org/pl/2016/04/14/95080.html
http://www.80sd.org/pl/2016/04/14/95080_2.html
http://bbs.tianya.cn/post-worldlook-1650231-1.shtml

Now, Chinese people starting to raise the issue on Thai - China railway after Thai - China railway has been cut to Khorat by blaming both Japan and USA as the ones behind the reason for Thai government to shorten the lines
http://finance.sina.com.cn/china/gnc...f3907480.shtml
http://travel.china.com.cn/txt/2016-...t_38163596.htm
http://yule.4hw.com.cn/news/20160402/78851.html
http://finance.people.com.cn/n1/2016...-28245967.html

Now, Chinese intellectual starting to raise the issue on Thai - China railway after Thai - China railway has been cut to Khorat with the max speed of 250 kph with the price tag of 170,000 Million Baht (3125 Million Renminbi Yuan)
http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-226-968407.html

Now, Chinese people starting to raise the issue on Thai - China railway after Thai - China railway has been cut to Khorat with by using the issue of Mutual benefit
http://www.jynews.net/Item/631651.aspx
https://www.douban.com/group/topic/85260529/

Now, Chinese intellectual starting to raise the issue on Thai - China railway after Thai - China railway has been cut to Khorat with a hope to start the construction in July 2016

Chinese people starting to raise the issue on Thai - China railway after Thai - China railway has been cut to Khorat - just mentioning about price difference instead of cost overrun since Thai government usingf 300 Baht daily wage nationwide but Chinese government insisting on 800 Baht daily wage nationwide along with the issue of domestic resources to construct the railways vs imported raw materails to construct the railways
http://www.ccg.org.cn/Research/view.aspx?Id=3726

Hong Kong mesia mentiong about the issues on Thai - China railway including the shortening to Khorat, the bad blood on the interest rate issue but they refuse to talk about cost overrun according to Thai media
http://news.takungpao.com.hk/world/e...4/3301331.html

Chinese people starting to raise the issue on Thai - China railway after Thai - China railway has been cut to Khorat - by pointing out that Thailand had better construct Thai - China railway all the way to Nong Khai while raising the Hopewell Fiasco along the issue of distribution of people and well along with the issue of too few length of railway lines
http://www.caogen.com/blog/infor_detail/79658.html
http://www.caogen.com/blog/infor_det...rticleId=79658

Now, Xinhua News Agency starting to raise the issue on Thai - China railway after Thai - China railway has been cut to Khorat instead of going all the way to Nong Khai or even Map Ta Phut to connect with Kunming - First is to raise the issue of domestic raw materails from Thailand vs raw materials imported from China.

Xinhua News Agency has pointed out that such a thought by Thai government is totally wrong as it is going against the way Chinese government WANTS to be
Furthermore, Xinhua News Agency has lambasted Thai media as well as Thai intellectuals who keep telling both Thai government and Thai people that Chinese government are going to do the profiteer against Thai people on Thai - China Railways in both annual interest rates as well as commercialization of land strip along the railway lines. Such a claim of profiteering is a blatant lie Thai media and Thai intellectuals are telling to Thai people, esp the case of claims that Chinese government DO WANT Thai - China railway more than Thai government WANT Thai - China railway.

To deal with both Thai media as well as Thai intellectuals, the more propaganda to change the viewpoints of Thai media as well as Thai intellectuals along with Thai people are in need. The more and better propaganda will compel Thai media as well as Thai intellectuals along with Thai people to throw the full supports and make a full commitment on Thai - China railway more than the current status of cutting to Khorat.

This is due to the fact that Thai media as well as Thai intellectuals REFUSE to take serious consideration on the viewpoints of Chinese government and well as Chinese investors and businesspersons into account. Just the viewpoints of Thai peoples and the interests of Thai investors and Thai businessmen alone are totally UNACCEPTABLE according to the viepoints of Chinese government and well as Chinese investors and businesspersons.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/thailand/2..._128883791.htm
http://news.xinhuanet.com/thailand/2...28883791_2.htm
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Very curious about how the Chinese will react. What options do they have other than to conform to Thai wishes? If they don't please the Thai side the Thai will sabotage the whole China-Laos rail investment. As I see it they got the Chinese by their balls and are now slowly squeezing them ever more tighter.
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Very curious about how the Chinese will react. What options do they have other than to conform to Thai wishes? If they don't please the Thai side the Thai will sabotage the whole China-Laos rail investment. As I see it they got the Chinese by their balls and are now slowly squeezing them ever more tighter.
One thing to be sure, Xinhua correspondents in Thailand will have a truly hard time to write the news reports to Politburo once they have learnt all about Thai people's opinions about Thai China Railways by themselves.


the issue on Thai - China railway
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Plan for Khon Kaen grand station by local businessmen of Khon Kaen seems to be in conflict with the plan by OTP
OTP wants to use SRT Golf Club which is in the opposite of existing Khon Kaen railway station while local businessmen of Khon Kaen who wants to run Khon Kaen tramway wants at 350 Meter west of existing station - let's see the way they have designed the via duct though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=GgoYandkHBI
http://www.khonkaenlink.info/home/news/1812.html
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On the issue of Thai - Japan High Speed train from Bangsue Central to Chiang Mai with the distance of 672 km - Japan now prefer the phase by phase development - but still disagree the number of phases - Bangsue Central - Ayutthaya? Bangsue Central - Lopburi? Bangsue Central - Nakhon Sawan? or Bangsue Central - Phitsanuloke? Even though preliminary design are done, but detailed designs will be done in 2017
http://nwnt.prd.go.th/centerweb/news...O5904270020001
http://www.manager.co.th/iBizChannel...=9590000042832


JICA suggest Thailand to build Thai - Japanese railway to Chiang Mai sections by sections
http://www.thaipost.net/?q=%E0%B9%84...B8%A3%E0%B8%99
http://www.manager.co.th/iBizChannel...=9590000042832
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Rough design of High Speed train station from Ayutthaya to Phitsanuloke taken from OTP by Khun Marut
https://www.facebook.com/ThaiRailNew...07900859291906


Ayutthaya station taken from OTP by Khun Marut
https://www.facebook.com/ThaiRailNew...type=3&theater


Lopburi station taken from OTP by Khun Marut
https://www.facebook.com/ThaiRailNew...type=3&theater


Nakhon Sawan station taken from OTP by Khun Marut
https://www.facebook.com/ThaiRailNew...type=3&theater


Phichit station taken from OTP by Khun Marut
https://www.facebook.com/ThaiRailNew...type=3&theater


Phitsanulok station taken from OTP by Khun Marut
https://www.facebook.com/ThaiRailNew...type=3&theater
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High Speed train from Phitsanuloke to Chiang Mai taken from OTP by Khun Marut
https://www.facebook.com/ThaiRailNew...08482952567030


Sukhothai station for High Speed train taken from OTP by Khun Marut - wish that Sawankhaloke branch line will make 30 km extension to connect with Sukhothai station for High Speed train so Sukhothai station will be the main dropping point for those who live in Denchai and Uttaradit
https://www.facebook.com/ThaiRailNew...type=3&theater


Sisatchanalai station taken from OTP by Khun Marut: Hope that this one would not end up as a beetroot station - station that please one of the vested interests at the expense of the rest of the country as those in Uttaradit and Phrae are going to boycott this station for sure
https://www.facebook.com/ThaiRailNew...type=3&theater


Lampang station taken from OTP by Khun Marut- need to preserved the existing Nakhon Lampang station building
https://www.facebook.com/ThaiRailNew...type=3&theater


Lamphun station taken from OTP by Khun Marut
https://www.facebook.com/ThaiRailNew...type=3&theater


the facade of Chiang Mai railway terminus for High Speed train taken from OTP by Khun Marut
https://www.facebook.com/ThaiRailNew...type=3&theater


the bird eye view of Chiang Mai railway terminus for High Speed train - while the existing station has been preserved taken from OTP by Khun Marut
https://www.facebook.com/ThaiRailNew...type=3&theater
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Bangkok - Rayong and Bangkok - Hua Hin HSR have now been approved. Bidding will take place this year and construction will begin next year.

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11 May 2016 at 20:41
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The State Railway of Thailand has approved high-speed trains from Bangkok to Hua Hin in Prachuap Khiri Khan and to Rayong, costing altogether 247 billion baht. Construction is expected to start next year.

SRT chairman Sarawut Benjakul said the SRT board on Tuesday approved the Bangkok-Hua Hin link worth 94.6 billion baht and the eastern Bangkok-Rayong line estimated at 152 billion baht. The projects would be proposed to the public-private partnership policy (PPP) committee chaired by Deputy Prime Minister Somkid Jatusripitak and the cabinet next month.

Bidding should be completed within this year and construction could begin next year, Mr Sarawut said.

"The PPP committee considers the two high-speed train projects as fast track ones, and the SRT studied many investment options," he said.

The most feasible option was the PPP net cost approach in which the SRT would make its investment with land and the private sector would pay for the construction, collect fares and share proceeds with the state, the SRT chairman said.

The preferred investment option would minimise risks to the government and reduce its financial burden as most of the cost would rest with the private sector. The contractors will design and build the systems simultaneously and thus the construction periods could be shortened, Mr Sarawut said.

Contractors would receive 25-year concessions to operate the trains, he said. Officials earlier estimated the construction would take more than three years.

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Bangkok - Rayong and Bangkok - Hua Hin HSR have now been approved. Bidding will take place this year and construction will begin next year.

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Thai version - SRT Board Approving High Speed train to Rayong with hte price tag of 152 billion Baht and High Speed train to Hua Hin at 94 billion Baht - the construction started in 2017 after getting cabinet approval -

SRT is going to follow the advice from PTT (creditor of SRT) to run the urban development around the stations as the way encourage more passenger riding and almost all stations are within urban areas -
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1463027836
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Good news. What does it factually mean? Is it now a 100% sure thing and the pending cabinet approval a mere formality? Just asking because Thai HSR plans seem to change all the time.
Does anybody know the exact location of Rayong's future railway station?
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Good news. What does it factually mean? Is it now a 100% sure thing and the pending cabinet approval a mere formality? Just asking because Thai HSR plans seem to change all the time. Does anybody know the exact location of Rayong's future railway station?
Now, SRT Board has approved the project, the next step is to get cabinet approval so as to get the budget to facilitate the private sector to implement the 25-year concession for this High Speed system.

For Rayong station, there are 2 choices for the areas Between Map Ta Phut Industrial estate and downtown Rayong

1. 1km east of Map Ta Phut Industrial estate and 4 km West of downtown Rayong] on 7 sq. km of land
2. 3 km North of Map Ta Phut Industrial estate and 6 km Northwest of downtown Rayong on 9 sq km of land
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Let me add some more -

For the case of Rajburi, Phetburi station for High Speed train will be 3 km South of existing Phetburi railway station not far from Ban Khoo Bua archaeological site.

For the case of Phetburi, Phetburi station for High Speed train will be elevated station on Phetkasem road (Highway 4) on the western end of downtown Phetburi city - about 2 km west of existing Phetburi railway station - this is due to the issue with sharp curve south of Phetburi railway station.

For the case of Hua Hin, Hua Hin station for High Speed train will be 4 km North of existing Hua Hin railway station near Hua Hin Airport at Bo Fai commune due to the issue with expanding Hua Hin city.

ONLY Nakhon Pathom will be at the same place as existing Nakhon Pathom station as it is going to use the theme of the Giant Pagoda as the main design for this high speed train station -
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Excuse me if I'm asking this again (not sure I have):
The HSR route Bang Sue to Suvarnabhumi will use the same track as the Airport Rail Link (including its future extension), so HSR/ARL should be the same project regarding infrastructure (only the trains are different) on this section, right? The PPP-financed infrastructure section of the route would then be Suvarnabhumi to Rayong, while the remaining section inside Bangkok would be 100% financed by public money.
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Excuse me if I'm asking this again (not sure I have):
The HSR route Bang Sue to Suvarnabhumi will use the same track as the Airport Rail Link (including its future extension), so HSR/ARL should be the same project regarding infrastructure (only the trains are different) on this section, right? The PPP-financed infrastructure section of the route would then be Suvarnabhumi to Rayong, the remaining section inside Bangkok being 100% financed by public money.
track sharing with Airport Link from Lad Krabang station all the way to Bangsue Central will do the job ... as High Speed train starts at Lad Krabang station.
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track sharing with Airport Link from Lad Krabang station all the way to Bangsue Central will do the job ... as High Speed train starts at Lad Krabang station.
Does that mean there will be no HSR station at Suvarnabhumi?
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