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Old September 7th, 2017, 03:33 AM   #721
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However, negotiations on an extension of the trans-Laos railway into Thailand are reported to have collapsed when Chinese officials discovered that the Thai government was pushing ahead with double-tracking the existing metre-gauge railway between Bangkok and the border city of Nong Khai.
Clarification please?

Is Thailand going to have a high speed line plus a double track meter gauge running from Bangkok and Nong Khai?
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Clarification please?

Is Thailand going to have a high speed line plus a double track meter gauge running from Bangkok and Nong Khai?
YEP, we want BOTH High Speed train for connecting to Laos - China Railways and massive double tracking to Nong Khai for cargo trains as well as local trains

For cargo from Lao - China Railways, it will be transshipped at Tha Nalaeng (via Tha Nalaeng East of Lao - China Railways) or Nong Khai since we have already run Cargo 555/556 to carry para rubber products from para rubber processing factories (owned by Chinese investors) in Udonthani and Nong Khai to Laem Chabang Deep Sea Port though. Well, the railway yard of Udonthani has space constrains, so the cargo train to Laem Chabang has to be started at Nong Khai at km 621 though.

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Clarification please?

Is Thailand going to have a high speed line plus a double track meter gauge running from Bangkok and Nong Khai?
Yes, Thailand also have nationwide double tracking projects for the existing metre gauge going on right now.



For the first phase (green lines). Two double tracking lines are currently under contruction (nr. 1 & nr. 2), while the rest recently got their construction contractor and will begin construction soon.

Phase two (orange & blue lines) will begin the bidding process in 2018.
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Thanks for answering.

If the new high speed rail is a Passenger Dedicated Line, then the designed 250km/h speed doesn't seem to be that impressive. China is already running 350km/h trains on HSR mainlines. I am surprised they didn't go for 350km/h.

If the new high speed line is a mixed passenger-cargo line like the China-Laos railway, then it will have to compete with the dual track meter gauge for cargo. It's very likely there won't be enough cargo to feed two railways.

It's an interesting situation to ponder.
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Thanks for answering.

If the new high speed rail is a Passenger Dedicated Line, then the designed 250km/h speed doesn't seem to be that impressive. China is already running 350km/h trains on HSR mainlines. I am surprised they didn't go for 350km/h.

If the new high speed line is a mixed passenger-cargo line like the China-Laos railway, then it will have to compete with the dual track meter gauge for cargo. It's very likely there won't be enough cargo to feed two railways.

It's an interesting situation to ponder.
the most SERIOUS matter for the government is that it has to be constructed as a nationwide High Speed train networks, so the construction cost and maintenance cost DOES A BLOODILY MATTER.

Just going up from 250 kph max speed to 350 kph max speed means the government has to double or triple the loan and bonds along with the funds to finance the projects along with the maintenance cost for the whole networks.

Cargo will be handled by the existing meter gauge lines which are to be double tracked nationwide though and the plan for electrification on the existing and under constructed double track will allow the local trains to feed the passengers to High Speed trains in addition to handling more cargo services.
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Is there still any serious talk about connecting Bangkok and Yangon? It would seem this could be a growing opportunity for cargo and passenger traffic.
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Is there still any serious talk about connecting Bangkok and Yangon? It would seem this could be a growing opportunity for cargo and passenger traffic.
Well, let either the line to Ban Nam Phu Ron (connecting with Dawei Deep Sea Port), the revived Three Pagoda Pass route, or even the line to from Nakhon Sawan to Mae Sod has been implemented FIRST before any talk about connection to Yangon though!
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MoT Speeding up Thai - Japan Railway (high speed train) Phase 1 (Bangsue Central - Phitsanuloke) so as to get cabinet approval by the end of Year 2017 so
the detailed design on stations and the route along with land development plan around stations will be handled in 2018 and construction can be started in 2019 and opened for the service in 2022
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Voice TV keep raising the issue on Thai - China Railway section one (3.5 km - Klang Dong - Bundai Mah) - but they never want to tell that this is the way to avoid conflicts with Thai - Japan Railways since they want to keep smearing against Junta
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If the new high speed rail is a Passenger Dedicated Line, then the designed 250km/h speed doesn't seem to be that impressive. China is already running 350km/h trains on HSR mainlines. I am surprised they didn't go for 350km/h.
Allowing for such speeds is more expensive (as already answered above). If there aren't any large non-stop stretches where such a high speed could be mantained throughout, than it is disproportionately more expensive in relation to time gains. China is a huge country often with large distances between stops, in Thailand though the interstation distances are possibly too small to justify this extra speed and cost.
(It may be somewhat like in Germany, where traveling by high speed rail is rarely significantly faster than using a conventional train with more or less the same stops along the route.)
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Xinhua reporting that Thai - China High Speed train started in October - November 2017
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Going to ask China to handle the study on Thai - China High Speed train extension from Nakhon Ratchasima to Nong Khai with the distance of 394 km in addition to the progress report on Thai - China High Speed train from Bangsue Central to Nakhon Ratchasima (253 km at 179 billion Baht)- and now Thai engineers and architects are going to train those Chinese engineers and architects to handle Thai - China High speed train project on Thai soil though
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November start for Thai-Chinese high-speed rail construction
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A young viewer checks out a computer visualisation of the Thai-Chinese rail development project linking Bangkok and Nakhon Ratchasima. PATTANAPONG HIRUNARD
Construction of the Thai-Chinese rail development project linking Bangkok and Nakhon Ratchasima is expected to begin in November.

Construction of the Thai-Chinese rail development project linking Bangkok and Nakhon Ratchasima is expected to begin in November, Deputy Transport Minister Pichit Akrathit said yesterday.

Mr Pichit was speaking after the latest meeting on the Thai-Chinese high-speed railway project, the 21st so far, in Tianjin, China, attended by Transport Minister Arkhom Termpittayapaisith and Wang Xiaotao, vice-chairman of China's National Development and Reform Commission.

He said Thailand and China have signed an agreement on engineering procurement construction (EPC) and a contract to officially kick-start the joint development scheme should be ready on Oct 9.

The construction design should be passed to the State Railway of Thailand (SRT) in mid-October with construction work likely to begin in November, he added.

Under the joint scheme, Thailand is the project owner and China is responsible for certain engineering work and procuring track systems and equipment.

According to Mr Pichit, a first group of 76 Chinese engineers have undergone training and sat exams to test their understanding of Thai law and professional code of ethics as well as their engineering expertise.

The training and tests for the 179-billion-baht project were designed by the Council of Engineers in line with an order issued under Section 44.

About 400 Chinese engineers are due to be trained and tested. They need a 60% score to pass the tests.

The 21st meeting focused on the details of a contract involving mechanical and electrical systems, carriages, and future plans for the line extension from Nakhon Ratchasima to Nong Khai.
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ภาพหน้าตัดสถานีบางซื่อที่ปรับใหม่ ชั้น 3 คือชั้นราง 1.435 เมตร 4 ชานชาลาแรกเป็นสายใต้ 6 ชานชาลาตรงกลางคือสายเหนือ-อิสาน ส่วน 2 ชานชาลาซ้ายมือคือ ARL + สายตะวันออก
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The third section of the new Bang Sue section is the 1.435 meter level. The first 4 platforms are the Southern 6 line. The middle is the north-south line. The second is the ARL + the eastern one.
The second floor is a 1 meter class with platforms of suburban trains. Inserted between the long-distance railway platform.



ภาพหน้าตัดสถานีบางซื่อที่ปรับใหม่ ชั้น 3 คือชั้นราง 1.435 เมตร 4 ชานชาลาแรกเป็นสายใต้ 6 ชานชาลาตรงกลางคือสายเหนือ-อิสาน ส่วน 2 ชานชาลาซ้ายมือคือ ARL + สายตะวันออก
ส่วนชั้น 2 คือชั้นทาง 1 เมตร โดยมีชานชาลาของรถไฟชานเมือง แทรกอยู่ระหว่างชานชาลารถไฟทางไกล


The third section of the new Bang Sue section is the 1.435 meter level. The first 4 platforms are the Southern 6 line. The middle is the north-south line. The second is the ARL + the eastern one.
The second floor is a 1 meter class with platforms of suburban trains. Inserted between the long-distance railway platform.



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Now accelerate 24 hours.

Train pillows are waiting.
Nah, You had better use "Construction of Bang Sue Central is now around the clock" and "Concrete Sleeper are ready to be laid"
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I dunno. I kinda like "Train pillows are waiting".
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Thai - China Railway postponed by another month due to the failure to make EIA clearance around Dong Phraya Yen section near the cement factories in Saraburi - Nevertheless, 3.5 km the permanent way from Klang Dong - Bundai Mah will be under construction to be done in 6 months
https://mgronline.com/business/detail/9600000102116
https://www.dailynews.co.th/economic/602619
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https://www.posttoday.com/biz/gov/518754

It takes 3 years for Southern section of High Speed train from Bangsue Central to Hua Hin near Bo fai airport to get EIA clearance
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Now, Chinese engineers and architects have passed the preliminary examination to gain
permission to work in Thailand - However, the real examination is the way to deal with the attitudes to Thai Engineers, architects, and workers who are going to working hand in hand with Chinese engineers and architects - Chinese Architects must learn a lot about Thai architecture from Ayuthaya through the crash courses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlynZdRDZds
http://www.naewna.com/business/296582
https://www.dailynews.co.th/economic/603344
https://news.voicetv.co.th/business/530383.html


PM Prayut said the construction of Thai - China High Speed train can be started in November 2017 after the EIA clearance which has been delayed by the issues on 3 cement factories within Dong Phraya Yen area - Clearly, Siam Cement factory at Kaeng Khoi, Siam City cement at Map Krabao, TPI Cement at Hin Lap
http://www.banmuang.co.th/news/economy/92875
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Bangkok - Rayong High Speed Train Project - The highlights are as follows:

- The total length is 260 km, with a design to be more connected to Suvarnabhumi Airport (arrivals) and Utapao Airport (incoming - outgoing).

- Bidding will begin in 2018.

- There are 10 stations running through 5 provinces, including 8 elevated stations, namely Don Mueang, Bang Sue Grand Station, Makkasan Station, Chachoengsao Station, Chonburi Station, Sriracha Station, Pattaya Station and Rayong Station. The underground station is Suvarnabhumi and U Tapao Station.

- Taking a trip from Don Muang to Rayong (Stop at all stations) is about 2 hours and from Don Muang to Rayong (no-stop) is about 1 hour.

- Trains with a top speed of 250 km/hour outside the city and 160 km/hour when running through the inner Bangkok.

- The fare is 500 baht per trip for the express route Don Mueang - Utapao and 300 baht per trip for the express route Suvarnabhumi - Utapao.

- The construction budget is about 200,000 million baht and will be completed in 2023.

- Expected Passengers for conventional trains (City Line) Don Mueang Airport - Suvarnabhumi Airport is 103,920 person/times/day, and for the High-Speed ​​Rail (HSR) Suvarnabhumi - Rayong 65,630 person/times/day.

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No opposition to fast train linking three airports
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There has been no public opposition at hearings on a planned high-speed railway linking three international airports - Don Mueang, Suvarnabhumi and U-tapao, according to the project manager.

The 200 billion baht project is part of plan to establish transport links across the Eastern Economic Corridor (EEC) by connecting Don Mueang airport in Bangkok, Suvarnabhumi airport in Samut Prakan and U-tapao airport in Rayong.

Project manager Sayant Iamsom-somboon said on Tuesday more than 160,000 passengers were expected to use the service each day.

The State Rail of Thailand, the operator, estimated that at least 103,920 people would use the City Line route from Don Mueang in Bangkok to Suvarnabhumi in Samut Prakan daily, he said.

The high-speed route from Suvarnabhumi to Rayong is expected to carry about 65,630 passengers per day.

According to Mr Sayant, there was no opposition from people along the planned corridors during recent public hearings organised by the SRT. The most recent was on Monday.

However, people did ask that measures be put in place to control dust and walls of sound absorbing materials be built to reduce noise pollution.

The 260km Bangkok-Rayong railway will run from Bangkok through Samut Prakan, Chachoengsao and Chon Buri and terminate at Rayong.

There will be 10 stations along the route. Eight will be elevated -- Don Mueang, Bang Sue, Makkasan, Chachoengsao, Chon Buri, Sri Racha, Pattaya and Rayong.

Suvarnabhumi and U-tapao stations will be underground, Mr Sayant said.


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More than 160,000 passengers are expected to use the service each day but need the land exappropriation to create Suvannabhum triangle (3 land plots) - with 4 km outbound route and U-Tapao triangle (42 land plots) which consists of 7 km inbound and 5 km outbound along with the EIA on the triangle section though - the total distance of the whole system is 260 km

There will be 10 stations along the route. Eight will be elevated -- Don Mueang, Bang Sue, Makkasan, Chachoengsao, Chon Buri, Sri Racha, Pattaya and Rayong.
Suvarnabhumi and U-tapao stations will be underground

Donmueang - Suvannabhum will run as City Linewith expectec number of passenger at 103,920 men a day while the section from Suvannabhum to Rayong willl be high speed train with expected number of passenger at 65,630 men a day - this will be ready in 2023 though
https://www.posttoday.com/biz/gov/520555
https://mgronline.com/local/detail/9600000105723
https://mgronline.com/Business/detail/9600000105563

Need further EIA clearance near Siam cement factory at Kaeng Khoi, Siam city Cement at Map Krabao and TPI cement at Hinlap before Thai - China High Speed train from Bangsue Central to Khorat with the distance of 252.5 km can go further
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