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Old May 15th, 2013, 11:07 PM   #121
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More Chinese tourists would be brought by more and cheaper flights + continuous growth of Chinese economy. I don't think railways can make a serious difference here.
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Old May 16th, 2013, 12:03 AM   #122
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The line Vientiane-Kunming goes to a relatively poor and remote part of China.

What could bring more Chinese tourists and businessmen might be a direct high speed railway Guangzhou-Nanning-Hanoi-Thailand. What would be a most sensible routing?
The most sensible route to connect Thailand and China is actually Northern one. Chiangmai is the major destination for Chinese tourist who come to Thailand. And number is growing a lot in the past few years. Unfortunately Laos doesnt allow it and force the link to pass through Vientien only so Thailand have to use the North Eastern route instead.
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A link between Bangkok and Phuket will be even more beneficial to tourism.
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Old May 16th, 2013, 09:23 AM   #124
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The most sensible route to connect Thailand and China is actually Northern one. Chiangmai is the major destination for Chinese tourist who come to Thailand.
And also number 2 urban centrum of Thailand.

A problem with the existing railways of Thailand is that they all diverge from Bangkok. How about an east-west railway connecting Chiang Mai and Nong Khai (on Thai side of Mekong in the eastern part)?
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And number is growing a lot in the past few years. Unfortunately Laos doesnt allow it and force the link to pass through Vientien only so Thailand have to use the North Eastern route instead.
So how about a high speed railway Nanning-Hanoi-Vientiane-Nong Khai, there forking to Bangkok and Chiang Mai (and via Chiang Mai to Myanmar)?

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A link between Bangkok and Phuket will be even more beneficial to tourism.
And a branch exists to Khiri Ratthanikhom. How about extending this to Phuket?
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Old May 16th, 2013, 10:07 AM   #125
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More Chinese tourists would be brought by more and cheaper flights + continuous growth of Chinese economy. I don't think railways can make a serious difference here.
I agree. The bulk of, or all of the Chinese tourists will come in by air. It's just faster. China may be across the border, but the population centers are too far away. Thais and Thailand alone, make the HSR, and if they're connecting the country for the sake of relying on China, then it wouldn't work.
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Old May 16th, 2013, 10:33 AM   #126
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I agree. The bulk of, or all of the Chinese tourists will come in by air. It's just faster. China may be across the border, but the population centers are too far away. Thais and Thailand alone, make the HSR, and if they're connecting the country for the sake of relying on China, then it wouldn't work.
Nope. The HSR is is not built by the concept relying on Chinese tourist. It is just indirect benefit if 2 country can connect together. I would say China would even get more benefit from opening another rout for friegh transport. Of course when Southern China is getting richer, that will also benefit Thailand where they choose to travel down south by train. You must see how Hatyai the southern region hub city is flood by Malaysian and Singaporian tourist. Just because the link between 2 countries is easy to travel even if they already have the airport. Most of them travel by bus.

Thailand dont build HSR for China. It is Chinese government who push and want to rely on this project for their freigh transport. Read back the news and you will see how much Chinese government want to be involved in this line.
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And also number 2 urban centrum of Thailand.

A problem with the existing railways of Thailand is that they all diverge from Bangkok. How about an east-west railway connecting Chiang Mai and Nong Khai (on Thai side of Mekong in the eastern part)?

So how about a high speed railway Nanning-Hanoi-Vientiane-Nong Khai, there forking to Bangkok and Chiang Mai (and via Chiang Mai to Myanmar)?

And a branch exists to Khiri Ratthanikhom. How about extending this to Phuket?
2 new routes will be built to link the northern and eastern part of the country. Starting from Phitsanulok to Nongkhai or Khonkhan I cant remember. Unfortunately it will be just old 1 meter guage rail. Not HSR one.

Naning - Hanoi - Vientien - Nongkhai is a good idea. But I guess travel from there down to Bangkok is a bit overkill and get rid of HST advantage. I believe travel by plane is a better choice.

The only HSR that link east and west Thailand is the eastern line which they have plan in the future to extend from Rayong to Panompheng and Hojimin City. But that is unlikely to happen anytime soon.

Link to Phuket doesnt exist in any plan Im afraid. The southern part of the country is always the last part when it come to infrastructure upgrade. Anyway they are extending the Phuket Interntional airport and the port to support more tourist. I guess that is the best choice for travelling to Phuket for now. There are even many direct flight from abroad. So its priority might be a bit low.
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Naning - Hanoi - Vientien - Nongkhai is a good idea. But I guess travel from there down to Bangkok is a bit overkill and get rid of HST advantage. I believe travel by plane is a better choice.
Letīs provide a breakdown of distances.

Guangzhou-Nanning is 809 km now, but it is a circuitous route. A high speed railway now under construction is just 577 km.
Nanning-Hanoi is 386 km on the existing line. So if Guangzhou-Hanoi HSR were completed, it would be 963 km - shorter than the 969 km Guangzhou-Wuhan.
What would be the distance Hanoi-Vientiane?

Guangzhou-Xian, Guangzhou-Taiyuan and Guangzhou-Beijing are around 2000 km. The trains, even at high speed, run 9...10 hours. Yet run they do.
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Link to Phuket doesnt exist in any plan Im afraid.
Wasnīt the railway branch to Khiri Ratthanikhom supposed to go to Phuket in the first place?
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Letīs provide a breakdown of distances.

Guangzhou-Nanning is 809 km now, but it is a circuitous route. A high speed railway now under construction is just 577 km.
Nanning-Hanoi is 386 km on the existing line. So if Guangzhou-Hanoi HSR were completed, it would be 963 km - shorter than the 969 km Guangzhou-Wuhan.
What would be the distance Hanoi-Vientiane?

Guangzhou-Xian, Guangzhou-Taiyuan and Guangzhou-Beijing are around 2000 km. The trains, even at high speed, run 9...10 hours. Yet run they do.

Wasnīt the railway branch to Khiri Ratthanikhom supposed to go to Phuket in the first place?
Nah. I dont deny that the propose route will do good to certain extend. As from Nanning to NongKhai is not too far and people are still willing to use the train. But my point is it wont be any good if you want to travel from Naning to Bagkok as it will be too far and take too long to travel compare to the plane which might cost you at the same price but a lot faster.

If Thailand can build up the city in North Eastern to be big enough then linking with Vientien and Hanoi sounds like a no brainer. And then the south part from Bangkok it can connect to Ho chi min City via Cambodia. That would be great. I believe Thai government already include this in their study but dont proceed because it require a lot more cooperation between countries which is a bit difficult at this point. If we talk about the economic feasibility of building HSR in other country around Thailand.
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Old May 17th, 2013, 01:27 PM   #130
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But my point is it wont be any good if you want to travel from Naning to Bagkok as it will be too far and take too long to travel compare to the plane which might cost you at the same price but a lot faster.
And my point is that the 2000 km long railway lines Guangzhou to Xian, Beijing and Taiyuan take 9...10 hours. Planes are definitely faster, but people still travel by train.
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If Thailand can build up the city in North Eastern to be big enough then linking with Vientien and Hanoi sounds like a no brainer.
Vientian is a city of 750 000 itself. Linking it to Bangkok and Hanoi makes sense anyway.
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And then the south part from Bangkok it can connect to Ho chi min City via Cambodia.
Precisely. A triangle around Indo-China peninsula: a line along east side (along Vietnam coast, Hanoi to Ho Chi Minh), a line along southwest (Bangkok to Ho Chi Minh via Phnom Penh) and a line across the neck of the peninsula - Bangkok to Hanoi via Vientiane.

The best connection of South China to Thailand and to Malay peninsula beyond would be the shortcut across the peninsula neck, not the detour southeast to Ho Chi Minh.
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Old May 21st, 2013, 09:44 PM   #131
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Thailand pushes for train project in Laos

Published: 19 May 2013

CHIANG MAI - Thailand has offered to convene a meeting with Laos and China on the high-speed train project linking the three countries, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said on Sunday.


The Thai and Lao ministers led by Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, fifth right, and Lao Premier Thongsing Thammavong, fourth right, shake hands during the joint cabinet meeting in Chiang Mai province on Sunday. (Photo courtesy of Government House)

The proposal, tabled in talks between the Thai and Lao cabinets, underlines Thailand's concern about a delay to the project on the Lao side which could be a setback on the regional plan to build a railroad link.

Ms Yingluck said after meeting with Lao Prime Minister Thongsing Thammavong and his cabinet ministers that the host had relayed the delay concern to Laos.

Thailand will build four high-speed train lines, one of them from Bangkok to Nong Khai province. It will be linked to a train route from southern China to Vientiane, the Lao capital. The first phase of the Nong Khai train will be laid to Nakhon Ratchasima province.

China has offered to build the train project in Laos but it is being delayed because of unsettled details about Chinese support.

Ms Yingluck did not go into details of the proposed meeting but deputy government spokesman Chalitrat Chandrubeksa said Transport Minister Chadchat Sittipunt would have a key role in arranging the meeting on the tracks and train carriages to be used for the project.

The two governments also agreed to tackle narcotics, bolster trade and investment on Roads 8 and 12 in Laos, fight human trafficking and speed up border demarcation.

The two roads in Laos are connected to Thailand via the Mekong River bridge in Nakhon Phanom province.

Thailand upgraded the Phudu crossing in Ban Khok district of Uttaradit province from a temporary to a permanent checkpoint on Sunday to coincide with the meeting of the cabinets, the Thai News Agency reported.

The checkpoint in the northern province links Thailand with Laos' Xayabouri province. About 100,000 tourists used the pass, and trade totalled about 250 million baht, a year when it was a temporary checkpoint open only on Fridays and Saturdays.

Uttaradit governor Chalermchai Fuengkhon predicted trade and tourism would jump after the checkpoint was allowed to operate every day after the opening ceremony at the border on Sunday.

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Old May 23rd, 2013, 09:32 PM   #132
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Japan interested in Thai development projects

TOKYO, May 23 – Japan is keen on investing in Thailand’s mega projects, a senior Thai official said today.

During her meeting with Japanese Prime Minister Shinso Abe, Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra provided him with preliminary information on the Dawei deep seaport project in Myanmar, the management of water resources in Thailand and infrastructure and communication development which will cost the kingdom Bt2 trillion.

Suranand Vejjajiva, the Thai premier’s secretary general, said Japan was also interested in investment in satellite projects and high-speed trains in Thailand.

He reported that Ms Yingluck emphasised Thailand’s support of a peaceful solution to the conflict in the South China Sea.

A special meeting of regional foreign ministers, scheduled for August or September, will be a forum for talks. Thailand favours dialogue and negotiations to end the dispute, Mr Suranand said.

The Thai prime minister is visiting Japan until Saturday and is attending the 19th international conference on “The Future of Asia.” (MCOT online news)

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Alstom pins hopes on Asia
In talks for Thailand's high-speed railway

Published: 3 Jun 2013 at 00.00

GENEVA : Alstom SA is pinning its hopes on winning a multimillion-euro metro line project and a high-speed train agreement to help it establish a larger presence in Thailand.

Henri Poupart-Lafarge, the senior vice-president for transport, said the French transport giant plans to double its Asian revenue to 1 billion euros (39.5 billion baht) annually within five years and needs...

He said Alstom has been in talks with Bangkok Metro Plc about a project ranging from 300-500 million euros. Although declining to reveal more details, Mr Poupart-Lafarge said once concluded it will be...

Although declining to reveal more details, Mr Poupart-Lafarge said once concluded it will be Alstom's first major project in Thailand for many years. The company has also been in close contact with Thai...

"We hope to sign a general agreement with the Thai government when the high-speed train project is launched," he said, adding that Alstom has much experience with high-speed trains.

While it lags German competitor Siemens AG in Thailand, Alstom is very active in Singapore, which houses the company's regional headquarters.

France's Bombardier has taken the lead in Malaysia.

Mr Poupart-Lafarge said Alstom is proposing tram projects in Singapore, Australia and China. Widely known in Europe, trams help ease traffic congestion in big cities.

It takes three years to complete tram construction in an Asean country, while a metro line would take 5-6 years.

Mr Poupart-Lafarge said Asia now contributes only 10% of Alstom's transport revenue worldwide, with two-thirds coming from Europe.

"We will utilise two tactics _ one is continuous small contracts that bring us closer to customers, and the other is one large contract per year such as the Purple Line in Bangkok," he said.

With nearly 27,500 employees, Alstom counts 31 manufacturing sites globally including 10 in France.

The company recently inaugurated a new facility in Sri City, India, to build metro trains for the growing markets in India and Asia-Pacific.

The site supports the production of coaches for the Chennai Metro ordered in September 2010.

Alstom also operates a signalling engineering centre in Bangalore to service New Delhi and Jaipur that offers strong growth potential.

It has other plants in Brazil and Canada along with a joint venture to construct a facility in Algeria in the coming months.

At the 60th UITP World Congress and Mobility & City Transport exhibition in Geneva, Mr Poupart-Lafarge said the urban rail market has grown steadily the last five years, with annual growth of 10%.

And it will grow even faster as many cities in developed countries look to expand their mass transit systems, he said.

Cities in emerging economies are looking to implement new lines.

Mr Poupart-Lafarge pointed to urban rail's benefits to the local economy, increasing urban mobility, easing traffic congestion, protecting the environment and improving the quality of life.

Most of the world's inhabitants already live in cities, with the proportion reaching 60% by 2030.
"Rapid urbanisation increases the need for mobility, and half the cities in the world are not equipped with a public rail transport system," said Mr Poupart-Lafarge.

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Thailand to link Bangkok with China via high-speed train

CCTV 06-07-2013 14:37 BJT

BANGKOK, June 7 (Xinhua) -- Thailand will be connected with China via a high-speed railway running through northern Laos within the next seven years, assured Thai Transport Minister Chadchart Sittipunt.

Delivering a key-note speech on Thursday at a seminar and exhibition entitled "Thailand 2020" in the Thai northeastern province of Nakorn Ratchasima, the transport minister said the government has planned to build a 625 km rail system to link Bangkok with the northeastern border province of Nong Khai, across Mekong River from the Lao capital of Vientiane while Chinese high- speed trains will arrive from southern China.

During the initial stage of a 730-billion-U.S.-dollar rail and logistical program, designed for reconstruction of major rail routes in all regions of Thailand, a 250 km Bangkok-Nakorn Ratchasima route will be built first.

Then, the next phase will see a 375 km Nakorn Ratchasima-Nong Khai route built up for the Thai high-speed train to shuttle passengers and cargoes, especially including fruits and vegetables, between Thailand and Laos, which will be connected via the high- speed train with southern China, Chadchart said.

Given such a modernized rail system, Thai food will be delivered fresh and daily to China, according to the transport minister.

"Nakorn Ratchasima is not only the economic hub of the entire northeastern region of Thailand but a gateway to welcome an ASEAN Economic Community, which will open in 2015," he commented.

Thailand will have one rail system for all high-speed trains to run throughout the country, including the Bangkok-Phitsanuloak- Chiang Mai route to the North, the Bangkok-Hua Hin route to the South and the Bangkok-Pattaya-Rayong route to the East and the Bangkok-Nakorn Ratchasima-Nong Khai route to the Northeast.

Besides, the Thai government will build motorways to accommodate prompt logistics and transportation between Bangkok's outlying areas and major provinces, including a Nonthaburi- Kanchanaburi motorway and an Ayudhya-Nakorn Ratchasima motorway.

Kanchanaburi, a western Thai province, will be linked via rail and roads with Dawei, a southeastern Myanmar town, where a deep- sea port and Special Economic Zone project is being built by a Thai construction giant.

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High Speed train from BKK (Bangsue Central) - Nakhon Ratchasima with a price tag of 170.450 billion Baht, land appropriation for 8 - 10.758 billion Baht
construction cost of 140.855 billion Baht + 3 billion Baht consultant and electric tain of 31.7 billion Baht

First 84 km (Bangsue Central - Ban Phachi) shared between Northern line and Isan line - must be double track

The other 169.5 km (Ban Phachi- Nakhon ratchasima) consists of At grade track 58.0 km, Via duct [elevated track] 101.1 km including 17 km via duct along Lam Takhong reservoir, 5 Low Viaducts 4.1 km and 4 tunnels 6.3 km including 3.3 km for the section near Siam City Cement factory between Map Krabao and Hinlap

There station on the route to Nakhon Ratchasima with a price tag at 100 Million Baht for each station
1. Saraburi - either existing station or the bypass near Central Plaza Saraburi
2. Pak Chong - either existing station or the land belonged to the RTA quatermaste factory - moutain and forrest
3. Nakhon Ratchasima - either existing station or the private land at Phoo Khao Lad - Pak Thongchai silk, Phimai Stone castle, Dan Kwian pot, Mee Khorat, and the statue of Ya Mo (Thao Suranaree)

Max Speed at the via duct is 200 kph, 120 kph at the station yards even though max speed for the rest are 250-300 kph and the section from BKK to Nakhon Ratchaisma is 72 minutes
and ticket rate is 500-800 Baht

Need 1300-1600 rai of land exappropriation ... for Via duct [elevated track] 101.1 km, 5 Low Viaducts 4.1 km, 4 tunnels 6.3 km around Dong Phraya Yern due to the
Siam Cement land at Kaeng Khi/Siam City Cement land at Map Krabao/TPI Cement land at Hin Lap -
EIA clearance will be done in early 2014 - and construction started by the end of 2014 to be done and opened in 2019

To cut down the cost, the stations between Nakhon Ratchasima to Nong Khai (355.1 km) will be 3 stations - Khon Kaen - Udon Thani - Nong Khai with at grade 270.2 km, 77.1 km via duct
and 7.8 km low via ducts along with a price tag of 108.245 billion Baht including 10.724 billion Baht land exappropriation to be constructed in 2015 and opened in 2021
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1371612649
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1371612856
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Upper: Saraburi
Middle: Pak Chong
Lower: Nakhon Ratchasima

Even though the stations for high speed train to Khorat have not been pinpointed yet, we got the basic idea how the stations for high speed train will be looked like
General:
1. all have 3 floors with the height of 21-23 meter
2. All using side platform with the rails in the middle of the 3rd floor to cut the time
3. station areas is within 150 rai (60 acres) of land
4. station building of Modern Thai style with the local identities using soft colors to give heartwarm feeling - with focus on earth tone
5. station building with waiting rooms, via duct to commercial zones, OTOP and the local memorial shop with particular design to fit the local
Particulars:
1. Saraburi station - using Wat Phraphutthabat Saraburi + Sunflower field
2. Pakchong station - Stone of various color
3. Nakhon Ratchasima station - Korat silk, Phimai stone castle, Dan Kwian pot, Sala Loy temple


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SRT kicks off Bangkok-Rayong high speed train study

BANGKOK, July 2 – The State Railway of Thailand (SRT) signed an agreement with a consultant firm to conduct a feasibility study for the country’s first high speed rail project from Bangkok to the eastern seaboard province of Rayong.

SRT governor Prapas Chongsa-nguan said Monday that the study should take 14 months while bids for the construction should be called early next year.

The initial project will link Bangkok, starting at Suvarnabhumi airport, and Rayong, while the next phase will involve an extension to the easternmost province of Trat.

Mr Prapas said the route is short, to be built mainly on SRT land, requiring minimal land expropriation. Service should begin in 2019.

The high speed rail link, a project under the government’s Bt2 trillion infrastructure investment programme, will extend 221 km from Bangkok to Rayong. When in operation the new rail service will take only an hour and 15 minutes at a speed of 250 km per hour.

The entire project will cost Bt100.631 billion with stations in Chachoengsao, Chonburi, Pattaya and Rayong, after which it may extend to Trat if feasible.

An estimated average of 30,000 passengers, mainly tourists, will travel per day on the high speed train in the first year. (MCOT online news)

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Thailand has one of the best metre-gauge rail systems in the world it travels easily in the country. Train travel in Thailand is comfortable, cheap and friendly. Its speed is so high.
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Thailand has one of the best metre-gauge rail systems in the world it travels easily in the country. Train travel in Thailand is comfortable, cheap and friendly. Its speed is so high.
Well, let's hope the government doesn't neglect that network, which serves the common citizens, in favor of the "30,000, mainly tourists" who will ride the projected high speed line, which by necessity will charge premium fares.
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SRT asking for 15 Billion Baht more for red line commuter
Dailynews - Sunday 25 August 2013 at 8:50 PM

SRT begging the government to lend SRT 15 billion Baht for red line commuter in the following manner:
1. Adding the 4th track since the original design of 3 tracks is no longer enough
2. Major expansion of Bangsue Central for High Speed train which require the longer platform from 200 meter to 600 meter

This implied that SRT needs to pay 15 billion Baht in the following manner
1) Extra 10 billion Baht more for the 1st contract with STECON - Unique from 29 billion Baht to 39 billion Baht due to the extra work on Major expansion of Bangsue Central for High Speed train and
2) Extra 5 billion Baht for the 1st contract with ITD PCL from 21 billion Baht to 26 billion Baht due to adding the 4th track from Bangsue to Rangsit for capacity expansion since just the original 3 tracks have found to be not enough for the trend of symmetric railway traffic

MOT is going to ask NSTDB about the extra 15 billion Baht issue ... while MOT asking SRT to give the explanation to the society about this 15 billion Baht extra expenditure despite of the fact that it is the government policy behind the movements for major expansion at the first place. Need the mediators to deal with the appropriate price for this major expansion which is to be concluded next week.

Conceptual Image (Before&After) by marut

After adding more 4 tracks ,Bangsue Grand Central will have 28 tracks separted as:
4 tracks for red line commuter train
4 tracks for airport link train
8 tracks for high-speed train
12 tracks for long distance train


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