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Old May 19th, 2013, 02:58 AM   #641
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One element that has so far not been touched upon in this discussion is the fact that Garuda is stuck with Gatwick, whereas all other airlines you are mentioning are flying into Heathrow. The latter commands more premium traffic and higher average fares in all cabins. All other airlines in this discussion offer multiple daily services into Heathrow, while Garuda will feature a less than daily service into Gatwick.

It is an illusion to think that Garuda will be able to command higher fares than the likes of SQ, EK or MH, even for its nonstop service in the Jakarta to London market - on the days it operates.
i agree that Gatwick can be a problem but it can also be a blessing for Garuda as LGW is definitely an easier and less crowded airport to navigate through.

Although Gatwick is traditionally catered for a leisure segment, we cannot assume that all premium passengers want to fly to LHR whenever they go to London. There may be those who would prefer to fly to LGW but until now not possible because of the number (or lack of it) of the services offered to LGW. i guess it all depends on how GA would play the LGW card and its non-stop service to its benefit. This is of course applied only for the traffic out of CGK. Fares out of SIN, SYD, MEL, PER would definitely need to be much lower than its one-stop competitors.
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kayaknya itu memang livery oroiginalnya Air Austral. Karena sewanya jangka pendek gak efisien kalau merubah livery seluruh body, alhasil cuman logo GA saja yang di tambahkan.
Cek aja logo AA di mesin gak di hapus sama sekali.
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Motif baru GA atau khusus badan lebar..?
"F-OSYD, 4 years old Boeing 777-3Q8ER from Air Austral leased to Garuda Indonesia until 30 June 2013."
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Rahudman Harahap Walikota Medan Non Aktif didampingi GM Garuda Indonesia Branch Office (BO) Medan Syamsuddin JS memukul gondang 9 pertanda dibukannya Garuda Indonesia Travel Fair (GATF) di Cambridge Mall Medan, Jumat, 17 Mei 2013. Sukses menggelar Roadshow Garuda Indonesia Travel Fair (GATF) ditahun sebelumnya, di tahun ini PT Garuda Indonesia Airlines Tbk kembali menggelar GATF 2013 yang digelar pada 15 kota besar di Indonesia. Dari pelaksanaan GATF ini, GM Garuda Indonesia Branch Office (BO) Medan Syamsuddin JS menargetkan transaksi penjualan sebesar Rp 6 miliar. (medanbisnis/hermansyah)
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Old May 19th, 2013, 06:17 AM   #645
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MedanBisnis – Medan. Sukses menggelar Roadshow Garuda Indonesia Travel Fair (GATF) ditahun sebelumnya, PT Garuda Indonesia Airlines Tbk kembali menggelar GATF 2013 yang digelar pada 15 kota besar di Indonesia. Dari pelaksanaan GATF ini, GM Garuda Indonesia Branch Office (BO) Medan Syamsuddin JS menargetkan transaksi penjualan sebesar Rp 6 miliar.
Hal itu diungkapkan Syamsuddin dalam pembukaan acara Garuda Travel Fair 2013 Medan di Ballroom Grand Duck Cambridge Mall Medan, Jumat (17/5).

Syamsuddin mengatakan, dalam pelaksanaan GATF tahun ini di Kota Medan, pihaknya menargetkan transaksi penjualan sebesar Rp 6 miliar lebih atau meningkat dari transaksi pada pelaksanaan GATF tahun-tahun sebelumnya.

"Kita juga berharap dengan dijadikan Kota Medan hub Medan, PT Garuda Indonesia menjadikan Kota Medan sebagai homebase. Artinya, penerbangan-penerbangan langsung domestik maupun luar negeri akan terpusat di wilayah Sumatera yakni Kota Medan.


Untuk itu, marilah, kita bersama-sama berperan serta menjadikannya sebagai momentum kebangkitan perekonomian Kota Medan di wilayah Sumatera," katanya.

Roadshow GATF 2013 ini juga merupakan bentuk dukungan terhadap peningkatan pariwisata Indonesia khususnya Kota Medan. Sekaligus memfasilitasi masyarakat dalam mendapatkan paket wisata yang menarik dengan harga cukup terjangkau.

"Garuda Indonesia beserta travel agency akan memberikan harga terbaik bagi penumpang. Dan, pelaksanaan GATF kali ini, PT Garuda Indonesia bekerjasama dengan pihak BNI," ujar Syamsuddin.

Dijelaskannya, selama pelaksaanan GATF 2013 ini, pihaknya juga akan memberikan perjalanan wisata menarik antara lain diskon tiket domestik hingga 15% dan tiket internasional 20% untuk seluruh kelas yang tersedia. Selain itu, pengunjung juga dapat menikmati door prize menarik yang akan diundi pada setiap harinya.

“Dalam kegiatan ini, para pengunjung terutama anak-anak dapat mengikuti lomba menggambar dan mewarnai, serta akan dimeriahkan Stand Up Comedy yang akan diikuti para comic asal Kota Medan.

Garuda juga menyiapkan program Surprize Fare & Best Deal Fare untuk para pengunjung dengan diskon menarik untuk rute domestik dan internasional,” jelas Syamsuddin.

Rute itu, antara lain Medan-Padang (PP), Medan-Jakarta (PP), Medan-Batam (PP), Medan-Amsterdam (PP), Medan-Seoul (PP), Medan-Tokyo (PP), Medan-Hongkong (PP), Medan-Penang (PP), Medan-Melbourne (PP) dan Medan-Taipe (PP).

Sementara itu, Rahudman Harahap yang hadir dalam acara itu mengatakan, membangun perekonomian Kota Medan perlu peran serta masyarakat secara bersama-sama.

Karena, pembangunan Kota Medan termasuk sektor pariwisata tidak hanya peran pemerintah semata melainkan adanya keterlibatan peran aktif masyarakat.

"Kami sangat bangga dengan pelaksanaan Roadshow GATF 2013 di Medan ini. Hal tersebut, menunjukan Kota Medan merupakan salah satu kota yang strategis dan penting bagi Garuda Indonesia dalam pembangunan strategi marketing penerbangan nasional dan internasional," tegas Rahudman. (ulaiman achmad)
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Old May 19th, 2013, 06:45 AM   #646
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I never suggested that GA would be relying on 100% business travelers. I simply said that GA can possibly lure some premium passengers from SQ because it is a non-stop direct flight (which is mostly preferred by business travelers) rather than a one-stop direct flight. It is very normal for any non-stop flight to be more expensive. SQ's flight to LHR from SIN, as you know, is around US$ 300 more expensive than its own fare from CGK despite the latter being farther from LHR. Sometimes (not all the times of course), transferring at SIN can also be a hassle especially when one is caught in a "Specially Designed" Changi airport arrival security check for its incoming CGK flights. To some wealthy and business people, the potential of getting caught into SIN's arrival security check in between flights could potentially throw them off.

To average Joe and to me also, this US$ 400 can make a difference whether we go on SQ or on GA but my point is that GA has not yet priced itself totally out of the market. You know this discussion we are having now is not a GA vs SQ exclusive discussion but can also be applied on EK vs SQ, QF vs SQ, MH vs. QR and so on.
Seems like we're reaching a point where both of us would eventually keep on repeating our individual statement without reaching a general consensus

I take it that we can both agree that:
- GA's J and SQ's J would have their merits and flaws
- that they'd both appeal to different people but not so much that it would prevent one to choose one over the other (without factoring in branding, etc)
- that the $400 difference is somewhat still within market price but GA would likely need to lower it in order to capture more travellers' heart (or even poach MH, SQ's customers)

Yes?

Also, I do realise that this would apply to those discussions you've mentioned, but we're specifically talking about GA here and given the geographical position, similar markets (in this case, SE Asia - LON) and that SQ is a carrier that everyone seems to look up to, I think it's appropriate to discuss GA vs SQ if one were to track GA's performance.

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One element that has so far not been touched upon in this discussion is the fact that Garuda is stuck with Gatwick, whereas all other airlines you are mentioning are flying into Heathrow. The latter commands more premium traffic and higher average fares in all cabins. All other airlines in this discussion offer multiple daily services into Heathrow, while Garuda will feature a less than daily service into Gatwick.

It is an illusion to think that Garuda will be able to command higher fares than the likes of SQ, EK or MH, even for its nonstop service in the Jakarta to London market - on the days it operates.
Just to be clear, what I and UMD are discussing is purely based on pricing and hard product, not accounting services, convenience, branding, etc..
I think we can all agree that if we factor in all those mentioned (especially Branding), it wouldn't make sense to most people for GA to have higher fares than many of its competitors.

Although keep in mind that we do have to factor in the difference in distance, and therefore the fuel surcharge charged by GA as well (CGK being further, thus having to carry more fuel. More fuel carried = more fuel burned = more money needed for fuel)

As for LGW specifically, I don't think it'd be big enough problem to be the linchpin of GA's CGK-LON operation. Yes LHR does usually carry more premium traffic but bear in mind, a big portion of (what appears to be) GA's targeted market are those local people who are wealthy enough to travel in J & F cabin for holiday/vacations/whatnot. To those people, LGW & LHR would likely not be much of a big deal, and they'd still fly in F/J cabin regardless of which airport they arrive in.

Just my 2c.

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Old May 19th, 2013, 09:14 AM   #647
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Seems like we're reaching a point where both of us would eventually keep on repeating our individual statement without reaching a general consensus

I take it that we can both agree that:
- GA's J and SQ's J would have their merits and flaws
- that they'd both appeal to different people but not so much that it would prevent one to choose one over the other (without factoring in branding, etc)
- that the $400 difference is somewhat still within market price but GA would likely need to lower it in order to capture more travellers' heart (or even poach MH, SQ's customers)

Yes?

Also, I do realise that this would apply to those discussions you've mentioned, but we're specifically talking about GA here and given the geographical position, similar markets (in this case, SE Asia - LON) and that SQ is a carrier that everyone seems to look up to, I think it's appropriate to discuss GA vs SQ if one were to track GA's performance.



Just to be clear, what I and UMD are discussing is purely based on pricing and hard product, not accounting services, convenience, branding, etc..
I think we can all agree that if we factor in all those mentioned (especially Branding), it wouldn't make sense to most people for GA to have higher fares than many of its competitors.

Although keep in mind that we do have to factor in the difference in distance, and therefore the fuel surcharge charged by GA as well (CGK being further, thus having to carry more fuel. More fuel carried = more fuel burned = more money needed for fuel)

As for LGW specifically, I don't think it'd be big enough problem to be the linchpin of GA's CGK-LON operation. Yes LHR does usually carry more premium traffic but bear in mind, a big portion of (what appears to be) GA's targeted market are those local people who are wealthy enough to travel in J & F cabin for holiday/vacations/whatnot. To those people, LGW & LHR would likely not be much of a big deal, and they'd still fly in F/J cabin regardless of which airport they arrive in.

Just my 2c.

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YES! YES! YES! Anyway, I am all for a good and healthy discussion.

I may be wrong as well but GA is trying hard to build its premium brand. In fact, I know GA is currently working on another service improvement project for its 77W services with helps from some individuals who have had some good track records in the industry. When you go premium, you don't price your product low. I believe that's the strategy that GA is implementing. Whether that strategy will work for them or not, only time can tell. I, for one, believe that's the right strategy if you want to go premium. It is definitely not without any challenge especially for an airline like Garuda.
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Old May 19th, 2013, 08:15 PM   #649
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Sepertinya pada A330 series(both of 200/300) tidak akan menggunakan new business class seperti pada B77W. Karena A330 lebih di utamakan untuk penerbangan berjarak medium sedangkan yg di B77W didesain untuk penerbangan jarak jauh

BTW kalo gasalah kalau ganti desain 1 pesawat A330 kan nanti gaseragam sama yg lain.
seperti A330-200 batch awal PK-GPH, PK-GPI, dst yg seatnya berbeda dengan A330-200 mulai dari registrasi PK-GPM, GPN, dst. Yg serupa dengan yang di A330-300-nya GA
Hi Mas Emyrr
(By the way ini bukan Pak Emir nya Garuda kan...???)
Maksud saya untuk yang business class A330 200/300 tidak harus diganti kursinya seperti dengan yang di B777-300ER, tapi warna bangkunya (interior secara keseluruhan) disamakan degan design yang baru seperti di B777-300ER. Kenapa?? karena yang sekarang didominasi warna merah, menurut pengalaman saya pribadi (sudah coba yg ke Hong-Kong, Guangzhou, Amsterdam) agak melelahkan mata untuk flight yang diatas 2/3 jam....jadi saya sangat senang melihat warna yang lebih adem di biz class nya B777-300ER, mudah2an ini diterapkan di pesawat2 baru non B777-300ER.
just my humble opinion.

Next discussion, which i found very interesting and delightful to follow is about SQ & GA, we could have different opinions, but the fact that now we have discussion to compare GA & SQ, for me it's a remarkable "achievement" for Garuda. because if we look back 5 years a go, who ever though that people will start to compare GA & SQ for positive reasons. On more serious note, i know from my friend who works in singapore as focal point to deal with airline and hotels in the asia pacific region for her company (fortune 500's top 5), SQ looks Garuda as one of their biggest threat (on top of middle east airlines), and it shows on the reports for her company, SQ who use to dominate her company's staffs trip on JKT-SIN-JKT or SIN-JKT-SIN by nearly 100% share, now loosing share to Garuda, now Garuda has more than 90% share, and 10% others (inc. SQ). How can that happen? apparently it's now in the company policy (and it's not Indonesian company) Garuda is first choice, then SQ.

just my sharing....
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Old May 20th, 2013, 12:07 AM   #650
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Kan sudah saya bilang kan pangsa pasarnya orang Inggris dan Australia?

Maksudnya bagaimana?

Di kedua negara itu ada kelompok masyarakat yang mau membayar mahal asal pelayanan bagus. Mereka tidak pelit dalam mengeluarkan uang mereka, asal harga berbanding pelayanan bagus dan seimbang.

Ini adalah type kelompok masyarakat yang hampir tidak ditemui di Indonesia. Karena orang kita maunya pelayanan plus tapi harga minus.
Jangan salah, justru orang Indonesia yg saya lihat semakin wah dan muahal gengsinya makin tinggi. Beda dengan pasar negara asia lain bahkan India sekalipun.
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Hi Mas Emyrr
(By the way ini bukan Pak Emir nya Garuda kan...???)
Maksud saya untuk yang business class A330 200/300 tidak harus diganti kursinya seperti dengan yang di B777-300ER, tapi warna bangkunya (interior secara keseluruhan) disamakan degan design yang baru seperti di B777-300ER. Kenapa?? karena yang sekarang didominasi warna merah, menurut pengalaman saya pribadi (sudah coba yg ke Hong-Kong, Guangzhou, Amsterdam) agak melelahkan mata untuk flight yang diatas 2/3 jam....jadi saya sangat senang melihat warna yang lebih adem di biz class nya B777-300ER, mudah2an ini diterapkan di pesawat2 baru non B777-300ER.
just my humble opinion.
Kalo memang diganti.. Tapikan kembali kepada orderan dari pesawat GA kepada airbus & airbus kepada produsen pembuat seat..

Katanya sih denger-denger bakal ada perubahan lagi di GA baik hard dan soft productnya... Semoga saja pemikiran anda tentang warna seat dipikirkan juga... Kalau tidak.. Yasudahlah...
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Anda cuman bicara berdasal data-data yang anda sendiri tidak tahu artinya, atau anda cuman berbicara berdasar gossip.

Sementara saya sendiri sempat mengalami masa bagus-bagusnya Garuda di awal dekade 80an.
Kalau tahun 80-an saya sering sendiri naik Garuda karena dapat reduksi harga pakai kartu pelajar dan pesawatnya sudah Fokker F28. Sementara keluarga lebih prefer Merpati atau Sempati (versi 'original' bukan yang belakangan punya Tommy) walau masih pakai mesin propeller (F27)...

IMHO sih masa emasnya Garuda adalah sekarang dan ke depan (apabila tetap konsisten), yang diawali oleh kepemimpinan Robby Djohan yang berhasil me-restructure keuangan Garuda menjadi lebih sehat dan profitable, berlanjut semakin mantap oleh Emirsyah Satar....
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As for LGW specifically, I don't think it'd be big enough problem to be the linchpin of GA's CGK-LON operation. Yes LHR does usually carry more premium traffic but bear in mind, a big portion of (what appears to be) GA's targeted market are those local people who are wealthy enough to travel in J & F cabin for holiday/vacations/whatnot. To those people, LGW & LHR would likely not be much of a big deal, and they'd still fly in F/J cabin regardless of which airport they arrive in.
Many airlines who have previously operated into Gatwick only to scramble for Heathrow slots whenever they somehow became available to them disagree with you.

CA and KE do not operate additional London services into Gatwick because they want to cater to those people who may find that airport to be more convenient, but because they cannot get their hands on additional Heathrow slots. VN again only goes to LGW because LHR was not available or the airline was not willing to come up with the necessary money to buy or lease the slots.

As for the Kangaroo route, which GA is so obviously targeting with its retimed SYD and MEL services, the airline doesn't stand a chance of attracting any sort of decent yields with a 5 weekly service that operates into Gatwick.
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IMHO sih masa emasnya Garuda adalah sekarang dan ke depan (apabila tetap konsisten), yang diawali oleh kepemimpinan Robby Djohan yang berhasil me-restructure keuangan Garuda menjadi lebih sehat dan profitable, berlanjut semakin mantap oleh Emirsyah Satar....
Insya Allah semoga tetap konsisten. Memang perubahan dimulai di jaman pak Robby Djohan. Tapi diteruskan di jaman pak Emirsyah Sattar.

Rasanya dulu layanan Garuda sewaktu pertama naik di awal tahun 1980an cukup bagus. Penurunan mulai kelihatan di akhir tahun 1980an. Dan baru ada peningkatan lagi di jaman pak Robby Djohan (yang mantan boss bapak saya).
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Maaf mas2/mbak skedar tanya aja...apa spesifikasi dari boeing 777.300ER ini pada umumnya msh memungkinkan untuk bisa ditambah semacam "suite class" ala SQ d A380 mreka...?...kalo masih bsa kenapa GA tidak menambah ”suite class" pada B 777 ini?....sekian&trims
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Maaf mas2/mbak skedar tanya aja...apa spesifikasi dari boeing 777.300ER ini pada umumnya msh memungkinkan untuk bisa ditambah semacam "suite class" ala SQ d A380 mreka...?...kalo masih bsa kenapa GA tidak menambah ”suite class" pada B 777 ini?....sekian&trims
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...itu hanya kelas First class mas...kalo Di web site SQ selain first class ada juga kok suite class...kalo misal spesifikasi B 777 msh bsa ditambah suite class...knpa GA tidak melaunching kelas itu sekalian ya?...
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