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Old April 21st, 2013, 06:14 PM   #81
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Old April 21st, 2013, 06:22 PM   #82
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Old April 21st, 2013, 08:52 PM   #83
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Mriya An-225 and An-124-100M Ruslan Soviet planes. Today, Ukraine is not building them.
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 02:33 AM   #84
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1. An-225 Mriya & An-124 Ruslan were designed by the Antonov Design Bureau in Kyiv, the capital of the Ukrainian SSR. Planes were created by Ukrainian designers.
2. IVCHENKO-PROGRESS Machine-Building Design Bureau (Zaporizhzhya, Ukraine) had fulfilled works to the installation of engines (D-18T series 3).
An-225 Mriya & An-124 Ruslan - the Ukrainian heavy cargo planes.
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 02:49 AM   #85
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 12:09 PM   #86
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What is the number of aircraft built and what types of Ukraine since 1991? Tell us please.
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 03:05 PM   #87
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1. An-225 Mriya & An-124 Ruslan were designed by the Antonov Design Bureau in Kyiv, the capital of the Ukrainian SSR. Planes were created by Ukrainian designers.
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An-225 Mriya & An-124 Ruslan - the Ukrainian heavy cargo planes
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 07:17 PM   #88
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An-32 – 75 units
An-124 Ruslan – 3 units
An-72/74 family – 63 units
An-148 – 21 units (4 units in UA & 17 units under license in RF)
An-158 - 2 units
An-70 - 2 units
An-140 – 45 units (33 units in UA & 12 units under license in RF)
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 02:18 AM   #89
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An-32 – 75 units
An-124 Ruslan – 3 units
An-72/74 family – 63 units
An-148 – 21 units (4 units in UA & 17 units under license in RF)
An-158 - 2 units
An-70 - 2 units
An-140 – 45 units (33 units in UA & 12 units under license in RF)
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 03:21 AM   #90
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The AN-148 really should be selling well. It's a perfect replacement for the BAE 146 / Avro RJs operating into London City Airport, but being twin engined has better economics at directly comparable performance, including STOL.

it would definitely be worth Antonov's time to get it certified for LCY compatibility, and to consider a Powerjet SaM-146 engined variant.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 08:22 AM   #91
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The AN-148 really should be selling well.
The An-148 has good prospects.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 10:48 AM   #92
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The AN-148 really should be selling well. It's a perfect replacement for the BAE 146 / Avro RJs operating into London City Airport, but being twin engined has better economics at directly comparable performance, including STOL.

it would definitely be worth Antonov's time to get it certified for LCY compatibility, and to consider a Powerjet SaM-146 engined variant.
It should be selling well, but the problem classically with Antonov, and this problem isn't just specific to Antonov, but to the Russians as well, is two fold. Production is slow compared to how many aircraft ATR and Bombardier churn out every month. There also seems to be a preference for indigenous Russian/Ukranian parts - Rossiya selected the An 148 because it was perceived to have fewer Western components than the Sukhoi Superjet. This factor inadvertently leads to poor or virtually no maintenance and after sales support. Aircraft manufacturing, for it to succeed, needs to be a global effort.
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It should be selling well, but the problem classically with Antonov, and this problem isn't just specific to Antonov, but to the Russians as well, is two fold. Production is slow compared to how many aircraft ATR and Bombardier churn out every month. There also seems to be a preference for indigenous Russian/Ukranian parts - Rossiya selected the An 148 because it was perceived to have fewer Western components than the Sukhoi Superjet. This factor inadvertently leads to poor or virtually no maintenance and after sales support. Aircraft manufacturing, for it to succeed, needs to be a global effort.


The support thing really hits the spot. I don't think the preference for Russian/Ukrainian parts would be such a problem (and can attract operators unhappy with reliance on the west) if the manufacturer was able/willing to guarantee availability in a timely manner.

The best way forward might be like Sukhoi has done with the SJ, and to form joint ventures with a major Western company to provide support services. With a known western name to provide serving and maintenance support, (even with non-western parts) knowing their asset won't be sitting on the ground, operators may be more comfortable with committing to an order, particularly if a workable delivery timetable can be worked out.

Admittedly, the latter is a donkey and cart problem, until you've got a decent order-book, ramping up the production rate seems a bit silly, but some form of guarantee or penalty clause could be worked out.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 01:11 PM   #94
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The support thing really hits the spot. I don't think the preference for Russian/Ukrainian parts would be such a problem (and can attract operators unhappy with reliance on the west) if the manufacturer was able/willing to guarantee availability in a timely manner.
You are right that pats don't play that much role. Moreover, avionics and electrical systems used in An-148/158 are western made.

As you have pointed out, the main problem is engine maintenance. European operators would need to create from scratch (to some extend) maintenance base for Progress D-436 engines that is in current 'saving cost policy' situation seems very reckless.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 08:15 PM   #95
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Rossiya selected the An 148 because it was perceived to have fewer Western components than the Sukhoi Superjet.
Russia selected the Ukrainian An-148 because he is simply the best aircraft in its class.

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Aircraft manufacturing, for it to succeed, needs to be a global effort.
Chinese aircraft engines? Globalization is not effective.
The A400M was designed by European Airbus /hundreds of companies have participated in the project/ but the Ukrainian An-70 is superior in all respects the A400M.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 08:29 PM   #96
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The AN-148 really should be selling well. It's a perfect replacement for the BAE 146 / Avro RJs operating into London City Airport, but being twin engined has better economics at directly comparable performance, including STOL.

it would definitely be worth Antonov's time to get it certified for LCY compatibility, and to consider a Powerjet SaM-146 engined variant.
That would be a really good start, especially that no aircraft larger than an A318 can operate to and from LCY. And by the way, the AN-158 might work perfectly as a STOL aircraft that, if the engines are certified to meet the rigorous standards for the airport, can be operated on a regular basis... I wonder though if that aircraft would be used by Eastern European airline operators.
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Old April 25th, 2013, 03:28 AM   #98
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That would be a really good start, especially that no aircraft larger than an A318 can operate to and from LCY. And by the way, the AN-158 might work perfectly as a STOL aircraft that, if the engines are certified to meet the rigorous standards for the airport, can be operated on a regular basis... I wonder though if that aircraft would be used by Eastern European airline operators.
If it was put through LCY cert., then the main target market would be Western and Northern European airlines that do a lot of STOL operations like British Airways, KLM, Lufthansa, Swiss, Suckling, CityJet, FlyBE, Loganair etc.

I imagine if they went for it, the E. European carriers wouldn't be far behind if it filled a need, though a lot of the carriers have pretty new and homogeneous fleets so it might be harder there than with western european carriers like BA/KLM/LH which have a more mixed fleet with some equipment from older manufacturers that have gone under or stopped production. (lots of Fokkers and Avro RJs - good targets for replacement with AN-1x8)
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Old April 29th, 2013, 06:45 AM   #99
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Dear Igor L.,

I will advice that you ignore detractors like 'Sturmm'. He is only interested in putting down and tarnishing the great accomplishments and brilliant efforts of Ukraine. His mindset and politics does not surprise any of us who know better. Is it any wonder that Russia's aviation prowess is fast diminishing when they spend more time and effort trying to put down their allies rather than building a strong and mutually beneficial alliance?

Ukraine is one of the top nine elite countries of the world to possess a full cycle of aerospace hardware engineering and production. And I also think Ukraine is the most under-rated one among the nine nations. Finally, I believe the Antonov is one of the most capable and proficient Aircraft manufacturers in the world! It is no wonder that there are many jealous detractors....
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Old April 29th, 2013, 06:59 AM   #100
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The Antonov AN-148/AN-158 series is by far the prettiest and best looking regional jet ever. Nothing comes close! I wish Antonov the very best in this venture. If they will only match their engineering efforts with superior marketing strategies and investment, I believe that the Air-frame is very capable of being developed further into a 105 seat variant @32' pitch and a 120 seat variant @32' pitch. This will ultimately make the An-148/158 family a true competitor to Embraer E-jets and whatever else Bombardier can throw at it. Imagine having;

AN-148 - 75 seats @ 32 inch (powered by updated D36-S4 = 6500kgf) (currently I believe it is overpowered!
AN-158 - 90 seats @ 32 inch (powered by D436-148 @ 7000kgf)
AN-168 - 105 seats @ 32 inch (powered by D436-T1 @ 7500kgf)
AN-178 - 120 seats @ 32 inch (powered by D436-T2 @ 8200kgf)
ANBJ - Antonov Business Jet (optional power plants)
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