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Old June 20th, 2015, 09:26 AM   #1001
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ANTONOV at Le Bourget (Paris Air Show 2015)










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Old June 20th, 2015, 02:04 PM   #1002
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It doesn't matter who produces the planes but very important who designs airplanes.
'Nike' sneakers are produced in China but this is an American brand. The majority of Apple products are produced in China, but Apple is an American brand (iPhones - the American phones, iPads - the American tablet computers, etc).
With each aircraft, produced in Russia and Iran, we get royalties. It's good business.
It's funny to compare airplanes with sneakers and smart phones. Does Boeing do their planes's final assembly in China? How could production and assembly of planes not matter? They are very important industrial abilities and of security importance.
Besides Antonov design airplanes in cooperation with TsAGI and many other companies.
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Old June 20th, 2015, 08:24 PM   #1003
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It's funny, when people write about things which they do not understand. TsAGI? What is the relationship between the last Antonov planes & TsAGI? For example, AN-178? Maybe you do not know, but in Kharkiv also has a wind tunnel for tests. Initially we produce all new aircraft in Ukraine. And we do not sell licenses for promising new aircraft models.
P.S. 'ANTONOV Company has drastically reduced its cooperation with Russia', - said Dmytro S. Kiva, General Designer of ANTONOV Company. This is very good news for me.
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Old June 21st, 2015, 01:25 AM   #1004
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Old June 21st, 2015, 05:10 AM   #1005
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It's funny to compare airplanes with sneakers and smart phones. Does Boeing do their planes's final assembly in China? How could production and assembly of planes not matter? They are very important industrial abilities and of security importance.
Besides Antonov design airplanes in cooperation with TsAGI and many other companies.
But Airbus has a final assembly line in Tianjin, China. It was done to suit its Chinese clients. Some goes for Antonov, just they don't build their own assembly line outside of Ukraine.

And what about cooperation? Both Boeing and Airbus work with thousands of companies worldwide.
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Old June 21st, 2015, 09:32 AM   #1006
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It's funny, when people write about things which they do not understand. TsAGI? What is the relationship between the last Antonov planes & TsAGI? For example, AN-178? Maybe you do not know, but in Kharkiv also has a wind tunnel for tests. Initially we produce all new aircraft in Ukraine. And we do not sell licenses for promising new aircraft models.
P.S. 'ANTONOV Company has drastically reduced its cooperation with Russia', - said Dmytro S. Kiva, General Designer of ANTONOV Company. This is very good news for me.
The wingtip device on Antonov's An-158 and An-178 is developed in cooperation with TsAGI.
And Ukraine official's words at present are not credible to me.
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Old June 21st, 2015, 10:05 AM   #1007
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The wingtip device on Antonov's An-158 and An-178 is developed in cooperation with TsAGI.
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And Ukraine official's words at present are not credible to me.


You don't trust words of General Designer of ANTONOV Company?
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But Airbus has a final assembly line in Tianjin, China. It was done to suit its Chinese clients. Some goes for Antonov, just they don't build their own assembly line outside of Ukraine.

And what about cooperation? Both Boeing and Airbus work with thousands of companies worldwide.
How many Airbus planes produced in China every year? How many in Europe? Difference is only a very little portion of Airbus planes produced outside Europe.
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Old June 21st, 2015, 10:24 AM   #1009
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What difference does it make?
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How many Airbus planes produced in China every year? How many in Europe? Difference is only a very little portion of Airbus planes produced outside Europe.
And so what? If Chinese clients would say to Airbus 'we want only Airbus produced in China', then they would change this ration. Same goes for Antonov - they need to sell their planes and that's what they are doing.
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Old June 21st, 2015, 01:41 PM   #1011
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ANTONOV Company has drastically reduced its cooperation with Russia', - said Dmytro S. Kiva, General Designer of ANTONOV Company. This is very good news for me.
Surely not good news, if you ask me !!!
If Antonov hopes some "help" or clients from the West, they can close the factory instantly Their best client and partner was Russia and it will not be replaced by the West: very sad news for Antonov ..........
Rossya grounded 6 An-148 ...........
The only remaining 148 and 158 (apart from the Ukainian ones) are the North Korean and Cuban planes (not particularly the best friends of Barack O. .................)
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Old June 21st, 2015, 02:06 PM   #1012
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Some statistics of AN-148/158

Active:

Russia Air Force - 6
Cubana de Aviacion - 6
Angara airlines - 5
Russia State Transport Company - 3
Antonov Design Bureau - 2
Russia Border Guard - 2
Air Koryo - 2
Russia Ministry for Emergency Situations - 2
Ukraine Government - 1

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Rossiya Russian Airlines - 6
Antonov Design Bureau - 1

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Old June 21st, 2015, 02:25 PM   #1013
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Totally was produced 37 An-148/158.

32 of 37 (87%) An-148/158 were bought by Russia or financed by Russia.

25 An-148 were produced in Russia.

13 An-148/158 were produced in Ukraine.
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Old June 21st, 2015, 03:13 PM   #1014
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Surely not good news, if you ask me !!!
If Antonov hopes some "help" or clients from the West, they can close the factory instantly Their best client and partner was Russia and it will not be replaced by the West: very sad news for Antonov ..........
Rossya grounded 6 An-148 ...........
The only remaining 148 and 158 (apart from the Ukainian ones) are the North Korean and Cuban planes (not particularly the best friends of Barack O. .................)
Antonov should not aim for customers in the West for Military Aircrfat but should look at places like the Middle east and South China Sea.

They should partner up with western firms for various components and Antonov aircraft does have a good place in Civilian cargo market in both the West and the East
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Old June 21st, 2015, 03:31 PM   #1015
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Surely not good news, if you ask me !!!
If Antonov hopes some "help" or clients from the West, they can close the factory instantly Their best client and partner was Russia and it will not be replaced by the West: very sad news for Antonov ..........
It's a good news, really good news. There were no benefit in having a cooperation with Antonov.

What do you mean by 'help'? Antonov is not asking for money. And cooperation doesn't really falls under 'help'.

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Rossya grounded 6 An-148 ...........
The only remaining 148 and 158 (apart from the Ukainian ones) are the North Korean and Cuban planes (not particularly the best friends of Barack O. .................)
It was Antonov's mistake to go for passenger market. They belong in a cargo sector.
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In 2014, ANTONOV Company has reduced its cooperation with Russia but the profit of the company has only grown.

P.S. Russia is our worst enemy. I'm happy that we have reduced its cooperation with the enemy.
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In 2014, ANTONOV Company has reduced its cooperation with Russia but the profit of the company has only grown.

P.S. Russia is our worst enemy. I'm happy that we have reduced its cooperation with the enemy.
you seem to be more nationalist than aeroplane lover
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Totally was produced 37 An-148/158.

32 of 37 (87%) An-148/158 were bought by Russia or financed by Russia.

25 An-148 were produced in Russia.

13 An-148/158 were produced in Ukraine.
agree ! ... and preferring hypotetical clients from perfid West to secure former allies is naturally an enormous mistake: be it for pax planes or cargo planes : the new "allies" of UA will kill Antonov and this make me very sad as Antonov is one of the best aviation builder in the world ..........
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you seem to be more nationalist than aeroplane lover


1. Over 80% of Ukrainian citizens think like me. Recent elections have confirmed it.
2. I'm confident that during the Second World War Britain and the US didn't build planes together with Germany and Japan.

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... and preferring hypotetical clients from perfid West to secure former allies is naturally an enormous mistake: be it for pax planes or cargo planes : the new "allies" of UA will kill Antonov and this make me very sad as Antonov is one of the best aviation builder in the world ..........

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In 2014, ANTONOV Company has reduced its cooperation with Russia but the profit of the company has only grown.
Upd.
Now Saudi Arabia will pay royalties. Arab sheikhs have more money than the Russians who are affected by the sanctions. As the saying goes, 'Nothing personal, it's just business'.
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Nationalist or not KŠnugar­ur has a point, Ukraine is in a armed conflict with a Russian proxy and if things go bad Ukraine and Russia could go against each other and by giving Russia more advanced aircraft is like S.Korea selling weapons to N.Korea and even worse

Russia will not sell Ukraine Ilyushins either so why sell Antonovs to Russia?
And russia has decided they don't need antonov anymore even if it means their modernization program gets delayed and they will replace most of the Antonov light and medium lift air crafts when their Ilyushin new planes enter production

There are lots of potential Military customers for Antonov outside the EU and US. Just get a map with nations interested in increasing their Military power and you will get a lot from Africa to East Asia some of them using outdated Antonov aircrafts

So some of you need to forget Russia as Russia is trying to forget Antonov as well
Antonov can now aim on the International market instead of concentrating on the requirements of the Russia
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